MovieChat Forums > Stranger Things (2016) Discussion > That scene when Hopper yells at Eleven

That scene when Hopper yells at Eleven


I've always liked Hopper but that scene after Eleven comes back after sneaking out where he just lashed out at her, screaming, cutting off the only connection she had to Mike, was the first time i really disliked him. Hopper was completely in the wrong and acting like a lunatic, seeing El ball up in the corner crying as he was screaming was awful to watch, felt so bad for her there.

I know Hopper admits it later on he was wrong but he should have realized it in that moment, i don't know how he thought acting that way was gonna do any good. Nevermind the fact that she could destroy the entire cabin and Hopper with the blink of an eye if made angry enough.

reply

He was completely out of control and it basically destroyed my opinion of him. Probably unfair, though, because it just seems like the directors are always going for broke on emotion.

reply

I agree.

I think they took it too far for the character. He kept her prisoner, almost entirely isolated, for a year, and then he goes all psychotic on her, and we're still supposed to like him?

Mistakes are one thing, but that is very abusive behavior, that you wouldn't see in a person who has someone's best interests at heart.

They need to tone it down for characters who are supposed to be redeemable.

reply

Yeah i mean i could understand if this was just 1 or 2 days after setting her up there but shes been locked there as a prisoner for over a year, anyone would go nuts and wanna get out if only for 1 fucking day. Hopper should have had some understanding, i'm sure he wouldn't like being kept in a cabin for over a year without ever being allowed to leave.

I swear in that scene he almost came off as an abusive dad, sure looked that way with Eleven crying in the corner looking scared as he was screaming.

reply

He just lost it though...dont blame him at all
Little kids are annoying...you give them specific rules and they dont listen anyway...
Plus no kid ive ever babysat for have had supernatural monsters stalking them...
Dont blame The Hop!!

reply

You’re right, it was very alarming seeing him act like that and it ended terribly. However, I can understand the place he’s coming from. He’s already lost a daughter and his wife. He’s cared for El like a daughter and protected her when no one else did. He knew the danger she was in and knew the consequences of her leaving.
It’s like when a parent realizes a child ran off or went out into the street and you get SO angry and lash out at the child bc you are SO scared of losing them or of them getting hurt. He’s lashing out bc he’s afraid of losing her and failing her since he is her protector. He’s sacrificed everything to keep her safe and for her to throw all that out the window and rebel is terrifying bc is could literally mean death for her. If anything happens to her, Hopper would die. He’d never recover from that.

reply

Yeah i get him being afraid he might lose her and it would be like losing his daughter all over again. But on the other hand acting like that was only gonna push her away and make her hate him. El would very easily just pack up and leave and take her chances in the woods on her own if made mad enough.

The more appropriate reaction would have been for him to hold back his anger and sit her down and tell her how much she means to him and why he's so strict with her. Explain to her shes like a daughter to him and he doesn't wanna see her taken away. Cause he never really made it clear to her how he sees her, which was as a daughter, not sure El understood that, she just saw him as a friend helping her out.

reply

I would have loved a scene like that to take place earlier than when they were in the car. Definitely a missed opportunity!

reply

Also, I get they had to make him over react for plot reasons. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have run off to be homeless and emo in Chicago with that weird group. I mean, losing that episode would have been a god send but oh well.

reply

Based on his personality, the situation, his history and the time period. I generally feel his reaction is fairly spot on. Swallowing his anger and sitting down with her to explain the issue feels much more like early TV sitcom dad reaction rather than what i witnessed myself in 1984.

reply

That’s interesting. I was born in the late 80s so I like hearing your perspective of living/growing up in that time period. None of the parents besides Joyce seem warm and fuzzy at all in this show. It makes sense that parenting was just different back then.

reply

I was fairly young, but I am confident that his reaction was actually somewhat subdued compared to my parents and the parents of my friends. The fact a belt didn't get unleashed after she assaulted him was a bit off. Of course she has supernatural powers so one must tread lightly. But the sit down and talk to her like she was Beaver Cleaver who lied about breaking the neighbors window was not something practiced much in my area, you only really saw that on TV.

reply

Lol what you say is true but i'm pretty sure no kid in the 80's was forced to be kept prisoner in a house for over a year without ever being allowed to leave. El had every right to go out for a day, Hopper would surely do the same if the situation was reversed.

It wasn't like when a kid would steal the parents car or sneak out on curfew to go do drugs or whatever, this kid was isolated in the woods for over a year. Hopper had no right lashing out at her like he did for her just wanting to go somewhere.

reply

I can only accept it as a flaw in his character based on his past loss. There's a lot of damage still there as far as I'm concerned. A lot of his decisions which are pretty foolish seem to come from that part of him.

That scene between Hopper and El is also very interesting because I don't think Hopper is aware of what El saw at the school. All he knows is she went to see Mike and he didn't see her, so from his point of view nothing has changed other than El defying him. On the other hand, things are very different for El in this moment and it informs us why she is particularly upset. In these moments, she is absolutely devastated thinking she may have lost Mike forever now.

reply

I don't know a single parent that would not do something like that if his or her child, which Eleven basically is at that point, ran off and put her life in danger.

They were dealing with people who would kill to get her back, and Hopper wasn't supposed to get as upset as a parent would if his kid was pulled over for a DWI?

The scene was quite realistic, and the show was much better for it.

reply

What makes me not agree with his reaction is the fact that shes been in that cabin for over a year, with no contact with Mike or anyone. Hopper kept promising her he'd fix it but he never did.

Any person on the planet would go nuts and wanna get out for just a day if they was kept prisoner in the woods for a year. Thats why i sympathize with El in that moment, she just wanted to see her friend and nothing happened to her anyways.

Also i can't really agree with comparing this situation to a parent getting made at their child for sneaking out, its not even close to the same thing. If a parent kept their child prisoner in their house for over a year never letting them leave, i'd say the child had every right to sneak out.

reply

She's going to get out, and he's going to get angry.

Both are wrong and both are right. It is a typical situation with teenage kids.

On the other hand, he basically kidnapped Eleven, so ....

reply

Realistic or not, it definitely added depth to Hopper's character.

Hopper was in danger of becoming a too-good-to-be-true father figure. While we're initially introduced to him as a cynical, local burnout bordering on suicidal, by the end of S1 he has become Superman. Smarter and tougher than you might think, a former bad boy who turned into the unstoppable lawman with a heart of gold. And wearing his deceased daughter's friendship bracelet, he was also a sympathy magnet.

It's good to see him as still never fully recovered from his daughter's death. Most people never get over something like that, and it haunts them and influences their actions for the rest of their lives. Even though Hop is protecting Eleven, he can't see where protection ends and smothering begins.

And just a note about the Dads:
The other dads around Hawkins are all clueless, or absent, or white trash leeches, or maybe evil scientists. So the kids look to people like Bob and Clarke and Hopper, or maybe even Benny, rather than their real fathers, for guidance and protection. Usually this just annoys me, Hollywood's ongoing attack on the traditional nuclear family, but it works here.

reply

I agree on all points, but I must add that this is a like like Anne Frank. One slip up cost them all.

When the bad guys will use murder, when does one let up on safety and secrecy?

reply