Why so many Latins in a story about African Americans? - The Get Down (2016) Discussion

[–] fb-65-817352 8 years ago

Last time I checked you can be both black and Latino lmao

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[–] Tothevalleywego 8 years ago

I said African AMERICAN. I know afro-latinos exist.

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[–] fb-65-817352 8 years ago

Don't say African American just say black lmao? Not all black people are """African American""" and a lot of them don't like that term either

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[–] orebanjoko 8 years ago

African American refers to black people who came to American hundreds of years ago as slaves. The person meant African American because like you said not all black people are African American. There are black hispanics.

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[–] fb-65-817352 8 years ago

but the premise of the question is ridiculous too. who said this was going to exclusively be about "AFRICAN AMERICANS", you can't look at a group of black teenagers and assume they all fall under this label people have come up with.

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[–] Tothevalleywego 8 years ago

Duh! That's why I said AFRICAN AMERICAN. Meaning the descendants of Africans who were enslaved in the Northern American colonies. There are Indians (from India), Mexicans, South East Asian people that are darker than me but I am AFRICAN AMERICAN! Besides the adverts for this show came off as a story about African Americans living in 70's USA. The the main character is biracial living with his latina aunt and crushes on a latina girl. I thought I was watching the wrong show for a minute.

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@tothevalleywego

Thing is, it's clear that both the main characters---Zeke and Mylene are both part black, and clearly look it, and the majority of the cast is black too--with the handful of Latino/a characters in there. So I don't see why that's still an issue for you. All the black and Latino folks (and the black Latinos/as) clearly live in the same area alongside each other. And they're Americans,too.

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[–] Elliot1976 8 years ago

Last time I checked Latin AMERICA is in AMERICA too. It's only people in the USA who think they copyrighted the term AMERICAN. A black Cuban is African American too.

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[–] willard86 8 years ago

Because it takes place in the Bronx.

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[–] activista 8 years ago

And because black and Puerto Rican folks, and also black Puerto Rican folks grew up side by side together in the ghettos of New York,shared the same history of racism and discrimination, and urban blues and woes. So there was a lot of participation of Latinos at the beginnings of hip-hop---if you know anything about the early history of hio-hop, that was the case--do the research. And it's Latinos, not "Latins".

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[–] prbronx5 8 years ago

And because black and Puerto Rican folks, and also black Puerto Rican folks grew up side by side together in the ghettos of New York,shared the same history of racism and discrimination, and urban blues and woes. So there was a lot of participation of Latinos at the beginnings of hip-hop---if you know anything about the early history of hio-hop, that was the case--do the research. And it's Latinos, not "Latins".

^^This. I grew up during the show's timeline. I would've been 6 at this time. And blacks and latinos lived, loved, partied and grew up side by side. They do to this very day.

I moved to Virginia a few years back, I am Puerto Rican and I feel pretty excluded, it's not the same vibe here. I get weird looks, and the "he thinks he's black" comments, by most back people here. LOVE it, when I take my trips back to NYC!!

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[–] tmontyb 8 years ago

This. I grew up during the show's timeline. I would've been 6 at this time. And blacks and latinos lived, loved, partied and grew up side by side. They do to this very day.

I grew up in the East Village BEFORE it was gentrified and you are 100% correct.

"when they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama

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[–] coleburnz07 8 years ago

When I moved from NY to Cali.. it was a completely different dynamic between blacks and latinos The Mexicans and blacks arnt really that tight in most places out here. You'll see Mexicans mixing in with whites more so thsn black ppl.

"Money's flowing, everything is fine; Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine"

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[–] tmontyb 8 years ago

When I moved from NY to Cali.. it was a completely different dynamic between blacks and latinos The Mexicans and blacks arnt really that tight in most places out here. You'll see Mexicans mixing in with whites more so thsn black ppl.

I hear you. Not to go into it too deeply, but there is a difference between Mexican Latinos and Caribbean Latinos with the latter, some have African ancestry.

"when they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama

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[–] coleburnz07 8 years ago

Oh I know the difference.

I'm just saying out here it's alot more segretated between these 2 groups than NY is when it comes to blacks, puerto ricans, dominicans, etc.. The thing is parts of Mexican American culture are hugely infleunced by black culture as well...Like the Lowrider culture that they've pretty much adopted.

"Money's flowing, everything is fine; Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine"

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[–] chingochango 8 years ago

Man, you got *beep* backwards. Lowrider Culture is a Mexican thing that blacks adopted not the other way around.

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[–] slabtilidie 8 years ago

Mexicans created Lowrider culture looong before Blacks came along. Get your *beep* straight.

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[–] coleburnz07 8 years ago

Man, you got *beep* backwards. Lowrider Culture is a Mexican thing that blacks adopted not the other way around.

Mexicans created Lowrider culture looong before Blacks came along. Get your *beep* straight.

No they didn't the name itself "Lowrider' comes from a black gang that predated modern LA gangs.

Mexicans were using sandbags to lower their cars, blacks were 'hitting switches" on Crenshaw in the 70's before esse's were. I guess you 2 also think cruising comes from Mexicans as well... SMH. Rmemeber that scene in Boyz N Tha Hood where Doughboy is in the Lowrider on Crenshaw? That is a tradition that has been going on for decades. Hell, American Graffitti is damn near about a night of crusing in the early 60's...

The ONLY thing Mexicans did with LR culture is elevate it and took it to another level.

Mexicans culture copied a bunch of sh-t from black counter culture and they get away with it because blacks don't know to call you on it. The old school Cholo/Zoot suit sh-t is straight from blacks in Harlem in the 30's-40's, same with creased khakis and all that... If blacks didn't sing oldies you esse's would be trying to say you invented that too just like ya'll try to claim your modern Cholo gear and tattoos are from Mexican culture when the gear ya'll rock (flannels, pendeltons, vans, khaki's, etc.) comes from SoCal Beach/surfer culture and the tats come from white sailors...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif.

"Money's flowing, everything is fine; Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine"

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[–] slabtilidie 8 years ago

You're full of sh!t and catching feelings.

Mexicans CREATED lowrider culture in East L.A. in the 1940's before Blacks had any input in it at all.

Ron Aguirre, a Mexican, was the first to put hydraulics in a lowrider, to be able to adjust the height of his car at the flick of a switch to get past the law that prevented vehicles from being lower than the bottom of their rims.

Mexicans ALSO CREATED the L.A. gang style with creased khakis, white Tees, flannel jackets, Chuck Taylors, etc. which Blacks COPIED.

Mexicans were also the first to bang Red and Blue in the pen with Northern Mexicans claiming Red and Southern Mexicans claiming Blue which Blacks COPIED with Bloods and Crips.

I got love for Blacks and much of Black culture, but it's certain black people like you who keep division alive and try to give black people credit for things they didnt do. Blacks and Browns copied off each other and built Los Angeles street culture TOGETHER, but your dumb a$$ trying to create division and take credit for something you had no part in.

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[–] coleburnz07 8 years ago

You're full of sh!t and catching feelings.

Nah, that's you projecting. Look at you cursing like an angry man.

Mexicans CREATED lowrider culture in East L.A. in the 1940's before Blacks had any input in it at all.

Lowriders did NOT start with Mexicans.

The term 'Lowrider" comes from a black gang that called themsleves "Lowriders. Lowrider magazine which is a Chicano publication even acknowledges this. So are they catching feelings too? LOL

You think Mexicans invented crusing as well? Any place on he planet that has cars has a cruising spot.

Ron Aguirre, a Mexican...

Let me stop you right there.... Ron Aguirre was NOT Mexican he was a European Spaniard with no ties to Mexico. He was the first to put Hydraulics on a car and blacks were the first ones hitting switches on Crenshaw in the 70's. Mexicans were using sandbags to lower their cars. The modern lowrider that you see today with hydraulics, Dayton wheels, etc is mostly a black invention. Mexicans used to have lowered cars on crager rims.

Mexicans ALSO CREATED the L.A. gang style with creased khakis, white Tees, flannel jackets, Chuck Taylors, etc. which Blacks COPIED.

Wrong.

That "gang style' comes from BEACH/SURFER culture that was the LA style from white ppl back in the day. Pendletons/plaid shirts and white khakis or with Levis were popular beachwear, surfers brought pendletons to California in the 1950s to keep warm while surfing, California group Beach Boys used to be called the pendletons

Mexicans copied the creased khaki look from Black peoples style in 30's/40's Harlem. Zoot Suits came from blacks... that is the root of Chicano cholo/Pachuco culture. creasing up your clothes and looking sharp, Chicanos adopted that from Blacks period! making something out of nothing, that's the black experience, if it wasnt for blacks.. Mexicans would still be wearing sombreros and carpets, so instead of trying to blame the black man for stealing, show some appreciation that black folks gave you a style and sub-culture so you wouldn't feel left out when you came to America.!

The only things Mexicans did is rock Cortez and long socks up to their knees.

Mexicans were also the first to bang Red and Blue in the pen with Northern Mexicans claiming Red and Southern Mexicans claiming Blue which Blacks COPIED with Bloods and Crips.

Nope.

The Bloods and Crips were in existence damn near 2 decades before Norteno's even formed/split from La Eme, which didnn't happen until the mid 80's. B's and C's have been around since the late 60's Mexicans were rocking brown and were never rag banging, that's something the B's an C's made popular.

Los Angeles has a gang culture that predates all of those gangs when black gangs like The Slausons, The Gladiators, etc were formed to fight off white gangs like The Spook Hunters, etc.

trying to create division and take credit for something you had no part in.

No. Creating a division is posting bogus facts and lies about one groups contributions to the culture. I gave Mexicans their prop when I said they ELEVATED lowrider culture... but you are coming here trying to re-write history. Take your own advice and stop catching feelings over facts.

"Money's flowing, everything is fine; Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine"

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[–] slabtilidie 8 years ago

Only mistake I made was Ron Aguirre. You're stuck on the name "lowrider" like that means something. Its just a name. Mexicans CREATED the culture no matter what name you give it or how much you try to rewrite it. Mexicans were using sandbags in the 50s. Not the 70's. They were using hydraulics in THE EARLY 60's. And why do you keep bringing up Cruisin? You talk about Crenshaw, but you obviously dont know your history. Chicanos were cruising up and down Whittier Blvd since the the 1960s. Chicano rock group Thee Midniters even made a song dedicated to cruising there called "Whittier Blvd" in 1965.

La Nuestra Famila was around since the 60s and claimed red dating back then. Just like Bloods/Crips, they and La Eme, who were around in the 50's, started in the pen and chose their colors based on the rags they got in the pen.

I never said Mexicans created gangs in L.A. Mexicans, for the most part, created what is the culture of modern day L.A. gang style and culture.

If it wasnt for Blacks, Mexicans would still be wearing Sombreros and carpets? You're exposing yourself as a racist POS. So bitter that Blacks dont get to claim Lowriding culture as their own. EVERYONE borrows from eachother. Mexicans also created the modern day Cowboys aka the Vaquero, which was also taken from them. This time by White Americans who were influenced when they saw Vaqueros driving their cattle throughout the Southwest.

No matter how many times you say it over doesnt make it facts. Lowriding started the culture. It's not debatable and it's been WIDLEY ACCEPTED that it came from them.

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[–] coleburnz07 8 years ago

Only mistake I made was Ron Aguirre. You're stuck on the name "lowrider" like that means something. Its just a name.

It's more than just a name, genius. Why do you think they called themselves Lowriders? Hmmmm. But right, the name means, nothing. SMH

And let's be real you didn't make a "mistake" when you mentioned Ron Aguirre being Mexican. You thought I wouldn't know who he was and so you tried to get away with claiming him as Mexican.

Mexicans were using sandbags in the 50s. Not the 70's. They were using hydraulics in THE EARLY 60's.

Where were you living in the 70's?

Mexicans were not hitting switches before the 70's. I also noticed you skimmed over the part about the Daytons and Crager rims.....

Ya'll dominate Lowcrider culture now just like white's dominate various genre's of music that started in the black community... From Rock, Jazz, Club, Techno, Country. etc. because black move away from it when other cultures come in and take over. The only exception is rap/hip hop music.

And why do you keep bringing up Cruisin? You talk about Crenshaw, but you obviously dont know your history. Chicanos were cruising up and down Whittier Blvd since the the 1960s. Chicano rock group Thee Midniters even made a song dedicated to cruising there called "Whittier Blvd" in 1965.

How can someone who claims to know the culture not undertand how cruising ties into lowriding?

Lowrider culture was birthed in the cruising culture in LA. That's kind of the whole point of customizing your car... to show it off. Mexicans didn't create cruising culture just like they didn't create Lowrider culture, get it?

And LOL@Chicano Rock. Rock is a black creation and just like with Chicano Rap you guys try to take something from black culture and act like you created something new. When white people do that people call it "cultural appropriation'.

La Nuestra Famila was around since the 60s and claimed red dating back then. Just like Bloods/Crips, they and La Eme, who were around in the 50's, started in the pen and chose their colors based on the rags they got in the pen.

Bloods and Crips didn't even start in the pen. They evolved from those early era street gangs I mentioned.

La Nuetra Familia didn't form until the late 60's. Norteno street gangs that are under Nuestra Familia weren't "banging' on the streets like the B's an C's were until the 80's. Decades after Bloods and Crips were created. Mexicans were never rag banging like blacks were... stop it, kid. I worked in the prison system for years and grew up a good portion of my life with ppl who are 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation norteno's.

I never said Mexicans created gangs in L.A. Mexicans, for the most part, created what is the culture of modern day L.A. gang style and culture.

I've already shut this down, kid. The LA Gang Style and Culture you claim comes from Mexicans comes from SURFER/BEACH culture. Black Gangs have their origins in the Civil Right movement through the Panther and the US organization... You know that movement that Mexicans didn't want any part of because ya'll were too busy claiming you were white?

Moden Mexican gang bangers look like this...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5q7aeHhxd1qh9wiao1_1280.png

The jerseys, baggy pants, tennis shoes... where they get that from?

If it wasnt for Blacks, Mexicans would still be wearing Sombreros and carpets? You're exposing yourself as a racist POS.

It's the truth.... the music (Chicanos took oldies and rap), style of dress (zoot suits, looking fly and creased up even when your poor) Chicanos took that and called it Pachuco/cholostyle of dress, slang dialect of English - jive (Chicanos took that made their own - calo). And you are still copying u today getting edge ups, ceasars and fades.

"Money's flowing, everything is fine; Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine"

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[–] Tothevalleywego 8 years ago

Asking is my research foo. Also NYC ain't the whole world. I know Hip Hop got started by a Jamaican in NYC and a couple of the famous pioneers (none of them were Hispanic at first glance) but anything after that idk about. That's why I was asking. The adverts for this show was misleading. It showed a group of African Americans in the 70's and their adventures into music. I did not know it was about the start of Hip Hop. So my bad hombre

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[–] nnettew 8 years ago

I felt the same way especially as someone who grew up in NY around this time. Yes, blacks or AA were side by side but hip hop was definitely started with AAs and Jamaican/Carribbean Americans. The show seems to heavily feature Hispanics in a story about hip hop beginnings. Not to say they weren't there but it's definitely not an accurate portrayal and this is from someone who lived through it.

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[–] tmontyb 8 years ago

Not to say they weren't there but it's definitely not an accurate portrayal and this is from someone who lived through it.

There's one Latina girl and her family and Ezikiel black and Latino. What is the problem? The rest of the kids are black.

Cool Herc who happened to be born in Jamaica, but is a Bronx boy is the father of hip-hop.

"when they go low, we go high" - Michelle Obama

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[–] shroudoftheimmortal 8 years ago

But it's not a story about African Americans...

It's a story about a kid in the Bronx set in '77.

According to me, yes. I am the person it's usually according to when I'm talking.

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[–] bigpoppa206 8 years ago

Because this is not a black story, or a Latino story or a gay story, etc. The focus is on the music and to be authentic, it must include all the cultures who helped propel hip hop and disco. So far what I have seen appears to be a fair balance.

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@BigPoppa206

Oh, come on---the show is a story about the black and Latino people who created hip-hop---you sure as heck can't divorce the music from that. It makes no sense to try and divorce race and culture from said music because it came from those specific cultures. You can't separate one from the other,anyway. Heck, when white people have made something, I don't see anybody ever saying, "This is not really a story about white people, it's about something else entirely---blah,blah,blah." It is what it is,plain and simple.

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[–] enter-the-cage 8 years ago

Heck, when white people have made something, I don't see anybody ever saying, "This is not really a story about white people,

Everything that white people make is a story about white people? Interesting...

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[–] activista 8 years ago

Pretty much--especially everything out of Hollywood is,yes.

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[–] AtoZ2014 8 years ago

Puerto Ricans are both black and spanish (and english) speaking.

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