MovieChat Forums > God's Not Dead 2 (2016) Discussion > Did someone say the U.K. was civilized?

Are you saying the forgiveness is uncivilised, kurt? Or is it perhaps that homosexuality ought to be still illegal?



I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

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No. I'm saying leave it to the Brits to apologize years later. Kind of like Tony Blair looking at the cannon burn marks on the White House and saying, "sorry about that".

By the way, since you Brits need plenty of time to reflect - you're welcome for all the destroyers and aircraft when WW2 broke out.

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Wasn't it 2010 that the US made a token apology to Native Americans for what amounts to genocide?

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👆 This.

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Wasn't it the Brits that invaded much of the Native American land in the 18th century?

Apology accepted dork.

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And your avoidance of the point displays your hypocrisy once again.

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Wasn't it the Brits that invaded much of the Native American land in the 18th century?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal

Still pretending like the US is completely innocent in every facet of its history are we kurt?

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Earth to Cosmo:

The reason we have a regional phrase called 'NEW ENGLAND', is because you Brits settled the entire Northeast reason and original colonies in the South as well. Then you Brits moved to the traditional Midwest (Ohio Territory). So please don't lecture me on the crimes against humanity committed in the New World. You need to own up to that. And in case you need a refresher on how the Brits treated the people of India - we could talk about those Indians as well, which is the true reference to nationality.


Now if you really wanted to get cute, you should've referenced the 'Wounded Knee Massacre' which my people had to own up to since it happened in my home state.


Again...learn history cosmo.

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One of thes days you may not intentionally avoid the point that has been made, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.

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my people had to own up to since it happened in my home state.


Congratulations on owning up to the fact that you are from somewhere uncivilized, as per your own bizarre logic. At least that explains why you behave the way you do towards others.

When you say "my people", are you specifically referring to non-Christian fundamentalists who base their entire faith on Christianity whilst simultaneously rejecting Christianity, Americans in general or just angry little men?

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fact that you are from somewhere uncivilized


It's a devout red state, so I'll accept 'uncivilized state'.


explains why you behave the way you do towards others


I'm actually nice to others, just not to Brit militant atheists.


referring to non-Christian fundamentalists who base their entire faith on Christianity whilst simultaneously rejecting Christianity, Americans in general or just angry little men?


You shouldn't drink before typing, 'ol boy.






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It's a devout red state


Explains why you consider yourself to be liberal. You really aren't, you're just not quite as right wing as some others are. Which probably explains why you think that Trump is a liberal as well.

I'm actually nice to others, just not to Brit militant atheists.


That's odd kurt, because you've never once offered a definition of 'militant atheist' that didn't immediately clear Film, deviates and myself of being considered one. Also, you were calling me a militant atheist before I'd ever specifically said anything about religion, in fact you were so incredibly desperate to find out I was an atheist specifically so you could use that little insult you love so much towards me, that's why you wouldn't drop it when I pointed out that what I was saying when I first started up here had nothing to do with my opinion on anything religious and was entirely politically and socially based. It's also worth pointing out that the only poster I've seen you being particularly civil towards is Lena, and she's just a slightly more mental version of yourself.

You shouldn't drink before typing, 'ol boy.


What's not true there? You do refuse to accept the label of Christian, yet everything you say regarding your faith is firmly rooted in Christian belief. Albeit the more fire and brimstone aspect of Christianity rather than any of the newer more loving Jesus 'teachings', what with him having 'perfect logic' that you don't agree with. Oh, I get it, it's that you don't consider yourself a spokesman for Christianity, it just so happens that anything said TO you is being said about all Christians and you know what does or doesn't insult Christians, even when actual Christians tell you otherwise. And you are something of a fundamentalist, so that's not up for discussion anyway.

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explains why you think that Trump is a liberal as well.


Trump is not liberal, you dork. Trump pretended to be liberal. His interviews are everywhere on Youtube. I suggest you view Youtube information and listen to the comments come straight out of his mouth. The trouble with you and Film, is that you both hate Youtube so much, neither of you are willing to use the resources. These are not fake interviews. Trump pretended to be liberal from the 1970's all the way up to a few years ago.


you've never once offered a definition of 'militant atheist'


I've done so repeatedly, stupid.

"Militant atheism (defined) is a term applied to atheism which is hostile towards religion. Militant atheists have a desire to propagate the doctrine, and differ from moderate atheists because they hold religion to be harmful."

Fourth time I've posted this.

and she's just a slightly more mental version of yourself.



And here you are again pretending to be a psychologist.


You do refuse to accept the label of Christian


I didn't say that either. You're an idiot.





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Trump is not liberal, you dork. Trump pretended to be liberal. His interviews are everywhere on Youtube. I suggest you view Youtube information and listen to the comments come straight out of his mouth.


I can't be bothered to check, partly because I don't know which thread(s) it would have been in and partly because it may not even still exists, but there is no doubt in my mind at all that you've said this practically word for word, albeit in argument for Trump actually being a liberal and not really wanting to be president. But I wouldn't expect you to be honest about it, because why change the habit of a lifetime, and even if I could be bothered to find it, assuming you've not deleted any posts, it'd only be like that time you claimed that you'd never referred to yourself as a Christian even after you'd been shown multiple examples of you doing exactly that.

The trouble with you and Film, is that you both hate Youtube so much, neither of you are willing to use the resources.


I don't hate Youtube, I just don't use it to 'learn' nonsense like you seem to.

I so stupid.


Quote mining, YAY! You like quote mining don't you kurt?

"Militant atheism (defined) is a term applied to atheism which is hostile towards religion. Militant atheists have a desire to propagate the doctrine, and differ from moderate atheists because they hold religion to be harmful."

Fourth time I've posted this.


Then this would be the fourth time I've told you that none of the three of us have done anything that falls under those definitions. Personally, I've very clearly stated that I do not consider religion to be harmful and can actually see the benefits of it. That't hardly being hostile is it? So again, and this time if you quote, quote the whole thing: you've never once offered a definition of 'militant atheist' that didn't immediately clear Film, deviates and myself of being considered one.

And here you are again pretending to be a psychologist.


One does not need to consider oneself a psychologist in order to consider someone a tad mental, given the things said person has come out with in the past.

I didn't say that either. You're an idiot.


So are you a Christian again then kurt?

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I can't be bothered to check, partly because I don't know which thread(s) it would have been in


I'll recap the discussion for you.

BEFORE TRUMP WAS ELECTED: there was speculation by a great many people, including many Congressional Republicans, that Trump was a liberal that supported Democrats. This was due to his verbal support of Democrats and contributions to Democratic candidates. Congressional Republicans wondered if Trump was a Trojan horse candidate that wanted to infiltrate the GOP. After Trump was elected president and he began signing executive orders and nominating cabinet positions, it was apparent that Trump was in fact, a hardcore conservative. This discussion was on the IMDb thread you're referencing and perhaps you should've asked earlier if you were confused.


I don't hate Youtube, I just don't use it to 'learn' nonsense


Referring to Youtube as nonsense, having no respect for it and disliking or hating it: are very closely related reactions. I don't blame Film for not supporting the paranormal claims on Youtube, because even I'm very skeptical of those videos. I can respect Film for that. Refusing to use Youtube as a resource is simply ignorant. Especially when gathering political evidence of what politicians have actually said in front of cameras. That's called confirmed evidence. Your IQ just dropped cosmo.

So again, and this time if you quote, quote the whole thing: you've never once offered a definition of 'militant atheist' that didn't immediately clear Film, deviates and myself of being considered one.


I consider all three of you guilty as charged. And I don't believe your claim that "I do not consider religion to be harmful". Your rants against Lena proved that.

So are you a Christian again then kurt?


You completely changed the subject from your original claim. That's dishonest.

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I consider all three of you guilty as charged.


Good old kurt: judge jury and...



I shall miss his 'considerations' when all this goes.




I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

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there was speculation by a great many people, including many Congressional Republicans, that Trump was a liberal that supported Democrats.


Yes, many people, including you. You were very sure that this was the case and at no point at all did you ever say that it was speculation by others. As I said, I'm pretty sure that you even said I could see old clips of Trump, or at least read old interviews with him, that showed he was actually a liberal. But as expected you've changed your tune now that it's been shown that he is actually right wing, and more so than yourself. You also claimed he wouldn't be president because he wasn't actually serious about it and didn't really want it. And yes, I do expect you to deny saying this because it's what you do.

This discussion was on the IMDb thread


Of course it was, where else would it have been? I just said that I didn't remember which thread it was, I know it was on IMDb.

Referring to Youtube as nonsense


Please learn how to read sentences correctly kurt. You really should take some English lessons one day, it'll be for your own benefit.

Refusing to use Youtube as a resource is simply ignorant.


Why, who said that they refuse to use Youtube as a resource?

I consider all three of you guilty as charged.


Still got a god complex have we kurt?

I don't believe your claim that "I do not consider religion to be harmful". Your rants against Lena proved that.


I'm sorry, is Lena a religion now? Or have you somehow got it into your head that I consider her to be capable of causing harm because she's a Christian? You not believing something that is contrary to your preconceived prejudices isn't particularly surprising. Also, and you should know this by now, Nothing I've said can be correctly considered to be a 'rant'.

You completely changed the subject from your original claim. That's dishonest.


No I didn't, the conversation evolved. That's what happens.

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You're an idiot.

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Have you ever had anything constructive to add to a conversation?

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Yes. Sue your teachers for malpractice.

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Yes.


I'd ask for an example, but you've never once been able to back up a single fabricated claim you've made before so you certainly won't/can't now.

Sue your teachers for malpractice.


There's a standard pointless insult, one that bears no relevance to anything that's been said previously. As such it can be safely deduced that no, you never have had anything constructive to add to a discussion.

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you never have had anything constructive to add to a discussion.


Your militant atheist rants aren't discussions.

They're personal problems.

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Just say "no, I've never had anything constructive to say", it'll be a lot quicker for you.

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I said you 'act like a jackass most of the time', and I think that's extremely constructive given the incoherent blather and trivial rants you defecated on IMDb boards.


And you're quite welcome for that performance appraisal.

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That you would consider something like that to qualify as constructive says a lot about you kurt. And none of it is positive.

And you still don't know what a rant is, which itself is quite odd because you do it yourself a fair bit.

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says a lot about you kurt. And none of it is positive.


I think you're an idiot too, so the feeling is mutual.

And you still don't know what a rant


You don't know what an intelligent discussion is.

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You don't know what an intelligent discussion is.


Seriously? You don't know what half the words you use mean, or at the very you least don't use words correctly. You have no concept of logic. You've never once provided even a shred of evidence regarding one single accusation or claim you've levelled at others. You make claims of grammatical errors, yet are utterly incapable of providing any examples of them, you just happen to know that grammar errors are a thing without actually knowing what they are. You're an inherent liar, but you're not smart enough to keep track of your own lies, which is rather amusing. You're not even clever enough to develop that most basic of human traits, self awareness. And most of all, your standard response to anything is to simply fling an insult at the person you're talking with.

You wouldn't know what intelligent was if it smacked you square in the face.

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You don't know what half the words you use mean, or



Even after I post dictionary definitions in front of your snout you type this stupid comment.



You make claims of grammatical errors,


Cosmo: "...claim you've levelled at others."

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Someone I know isn't 'level' with spell check. lol


And most of all, your standard response to anything is to simply fling an insult at the person you're talking with.

You wouldn't know what intelligent was if it smacked you square in the face.


Thanks for being ironic, jackass.

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Even after I post dictionary definitions in front of your snout you type this stupid comment.


"You don't know what half the words you use mean, or at the very you least don't use words correctly." Quote mining and failing to understand what a sentence means right to the very end. That's commitment for you!

Cosmo: "...claim you've levelled at others."

Someone I know isn't 'level' with spell check. lol


And still completely ignorant of the fact that American English is different to proper English I see. Laugh all you want kurt, that just shows you up for being the ignoramus that you are.

your standard response to anything is to simply fling an insult at the person you're talking with.

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Thanks for being ironic, jackass.


Indeed.

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And still completely ignorant of the fact that American English is different to proper English I see. Laugh all you want kurt, that just shows you up for being the ignoramus that you are.


Apparently 'spell check' isn't a Brit either. lol

You don't know what half the words you use mean


So if a wanker is a tosser of spunk, would spell check get after you in England for typing it?

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Apparently 'spell check' isn't a Brit either.


Spell check isn't a person you dopey sod. And no actually, the spell check on Google is American. And you're being irrelevant yet again because you don't actually have anything of worth to say. There's nothing wrong with the spelling of 'levelled', and since that's a fact you're now just being arsey for the sake of it without there being any meaning behind your nonsense.

So if a wanker is a tosser of spunk, would spell check get after you in England for typing it?


What on earth are you on about?

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Spell check isn't a person you dopey sod.


Did you just realize that?

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Did you just realize that?


An uncharacteristically irrelevant comment by you.

When do you think you'll realise that I've not brought spell check up, nor have I ever referred to spell check as a person. That was all you.

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"uncharacteristically irrelevant comment by you.

When do you think you'll [realise] that I've not brought spell check up, nor have I ever referred to spell check as a person. That was all you."



And yet spell check is still finding your misspellings.


lol


Priceless


IMDb is Brit

And spell check is yank.

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And yet spell check is still finding your misspellings.


Because I'm not American and I'm not writing in Americanised English, you ignorant buffoon. Realize = American. Realise = English. Fùcking learn something for once in your life.

And spell check is yank.


Do you even know what you're laughing at? The spell check on Google brings up American spelling, which is largely wrong for me, because I'm not American. It isn't hard.

Please stop making a fool of yourself and understand this.

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What's your issue here? Are you so opposed to Jesus' nicer side that you're completely against any form of forgiveness, or is it simply that you don't think people should be pardoned for former crimes that ideally never should have existed in the first place?

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More of that forgiveness which kurt apparently finds so uncomfortable.

Another country is clearing historical gay sex convictions. Another country is wiping sex convictions for gay men.

Men convicted of having sex with another man in New Zealand will soon see their convictions scrapped.

Gay men were criminalised in the country until 1986, when the law was dropped, but have lived with the convictions ever since.

It comes a week after a pardon was brought in for men convicted of a similar law in England and Wales.

A new scheme will clear the men found guilty of indecency, sodomy or providing a place for homosexual acts.

It’s thought more than 1,000 men will be eligible to have their convictions cleared.

The proposals have received cross-party support, meaning they’re likely to pass soon.

Justice Minister Amy Adams apologised to those who had been convicted, but said they would not receive any compensation.

Ms Adams said: “There is no doubt that homosexual New Zealanders who were convicted and branded as criminals for consensual activity suffered tremendous hurt and stigma.

“We are sorry for what those men and their families have gone through.”

Same-sex marriage became legal in New Zealand in 2013, in a move their new Prime Minister opposed at the time .

Same-sex marriages have also become a popular tourism industry for the country, with a quarter of all those conducted being from Australia, where it’s illegal .

The Minister also said: “We think this is a case where society is strongly of the view now that this should not have been regarded as a conviction, even though that was the law at the time.” http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/02/09/another-country-is-clearing-historical-gay-sex-convictions/


you're a spunky wanker cockwombler kurt2000

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you're a spunky wanker cockwombler kurt2000


My new favourite 'insult' by Kurt. Mostly because he doesn't understand that spunky isn't actually an insult despite containing the word spunk (and Kurt is obsessed with anything remotely sexual), wanker is pretty much meaningless to Americans, as he's told me himself before, which also means it's meaningless coming from an American (and Kurt is obsessed with anything remotely sexual), and he's likely never heard the phrase cockwomble before (But it contains the word cock, and kurt is obsessed with anything remotely sexual). He's just stringing together a load of words he's heard before without any thought behind them.

And did you know that the word cock is deeply offensive to ALL Americans, or is it just me that doesn't know this 'universally known' thing?

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And did you know that the word cock is deeply offensive to ALL Americans


It's not, but I'd pay real money to see you walk up to Americans and call them "cockwomblers". Now that would be funny.

Now go back to playing with your spunky wanker.

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any word that begins with "c*ck", isn't going to be well received by Americans.

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did you know that the word cock is deeply offensive to ALL Americans

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It's not


So Americans don't receive things well even when there's nothing particular about them? So what's so special about Americans that makes them so upset about the word cock, when everyone else takes it normally? And don't worry, I wouldn't say anything to an American because if they're anything like you then they'd hate me for being British, hate me for being an atheist, hate me for standing up against misogyny, and then reach straight for their gun because 'Murica and fundamentalism! (is that what you'd like to hear kurt?)

Now go back to playing with your spunky wanker.


FFS kurt, a 'spunky wanker' isn't a 'thing'. Please stop stringing random words together when you don't know what they mean just because you think it makes it an insult. And for third(?) time, 'spunky' is a compliment, so thank you.

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Please stop stringing random words together when you don't know what they mean just because you think it makes it an insult.

But that would cut down his posts by about 60%.

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...speaking of spunky wankers....

Was that the 60% that keeps bringing you back for more?

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...speaking of spunky wankers....

Well at least you're expanding your vocabulary, even if you haven't fully grasped what you're saying.

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Well at least you comprehend something after three years of chiding GND films you've never seen.

Now go wash your hands wanker.

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Well at least you comprehend something after three years of chiding GND films you've never seen.

I've had many interesting conversations here Kurt, no problem with comprehension. Maybe it's just the first time you've come close to making enough sense to be understood.

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Maybe it's just the first time you've come close to making enough sense to be understood.


Admitting that you didn't skim my last few sentences for a change? lol

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That's not even implied by what I said.

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Again: [since you wanted in on this discussion.]

'It's not, but I'd pay real money to see you walk up to Americans and call them "cockwomblers". Now that would be funny.'

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I commented to Cosmo that you write a lot of sh!t. Was this to confirm that?

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Cosmo said you have a potty mouth for using the colorful metaphors like *beep* He was worried the royal family might conclude that your proper demeanor for a professor will disqualify you to become a good Tory some day.

I told cosmo you've corrupted me with your potty mouth ways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvqgboWKV9E

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kurt, you ought to know that the Royal Family does not have any say on who belongs to the British Conservative party. This while some aristos, like the late Duke of Westminster, are notoriously bad-mouthed. Given that so many have close association with the armed forces this perhaps is not surprising.



I am God's #1 Spokesman on IMDB Navaros


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Film? When you see this little figure  it means I'm being sarcastic.

We all know the Queen raises wild Corgi's to bite the legs of anyone who isn't a Tory.





I am God's #1 Spokesman on IMDB Navaros


You and Navaros courting again?

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Film? When you see this little figure  it means I'm being sarcastic.


I will try and remember. But I always think emoticons and emojis are best left to teenage girl phone chat.

We all know the Queen raises wild Corgi's to bite the legs of anyone who isn't a Tory.


There was no little figure of the sort you identify with this kurt, does this mean you are being serious now?


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You and Navaros courting again?


Hardly. He currently seems peeved that I have identified him as, most likely, one of the most perennially consistent and dedicated poes on the board, a word-perfect satire on fundamentalism, "God's Holy Penis" being my favourite. But you may need to check out his latest thread, as apparently whereas I am only a 'grade 3 scum' by his own Christian reckoning, you have the honour of being the worst of the worst - grade 5.


I am God's #1 Spokesman on IMDB Navaros


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Cosmo said you have a potty mouth for using the colorful metaphors like *beep*

He didn't say that, but I do like to use the full range of the English language.

He was worried the royal family might conclude that your proper demeanor for a professor will disqualify you to become a good Tory some day.

Good, I imagine I'm already disqualified from that.

I told cosmo you've corrupted me with your potty mouth ways.

How predictable of you not to take responsibility for your own behaviour.

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http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Scientists: 33% believe in God. You dishonest atheist brother claimed no scientists believed in God. See the difference Deviant?

18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power

7% don't know

41% are filthy atheists. Which is sad.


Happy to do the math for you deviates.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481377/-Most-Scientists-Believe-in-God




http://bitesizebio.com/2854/scientists-do-you-believe-in-god/

50 - 50 on this one.

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filthy atheists


Not a bigot.

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http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Scientists: 33% believe in God. You dishonest atheist brother claimed no scientists believed in God. See the difference Deviant?

18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power

7% don't know

41% are filthy atheists. Which is sad.


Happy to do the math for you deviates.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481377/-Most-Scientists-Believe-in-God




http://bitesizebio.com/2854/scientists-do-you-believe-in-god/

You really are a fvcking idiot, Kurt. All three of those links are talking about the same pew research. And as I already stated 33% believe in God, 18% said they DON'T believe in God but do believe in a 'higher power', and 41% don't believe in a higher power or God. I shouldn't need to draw a Venn diagram to show that this means 18+41(yes, 59% as I already stated) answered that they don't believe in God.

There is other research available rather than repeating the same study over and over. Such as the survey of NAS (National Academy of Sciences) conducted in 1998, which showed only 7% of members to believe in a personal God. Or Elaine Ecklund's broader research that showed 64% of scientists were atheist/agnostic atheist.

Which is sad.

The similarity between you and Trump is really uncanny.

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You really are a fvcking idiot, Kurt.



They are referenced in the same articles, fool. Along with better analysis. Again....I couldn't care less about the 41% mindless atheists heading for hell.


There is other research available rather than repeating the same study over and over.



Glad to see you're finally admitting to that. lol


Such as the survey of NAS (National Academy of Sciences) conducted in 1998, which showed only 7% of members to believe in a personal God. Or Elaine Ecklund's broader research that showed 64% of scientists were atheist/agnostic atheist.


Don't bother quoting hoax studies from atheists. I'm not interested.

The similarity between you and Trump is really uncanny.


I have nothing in common with him, and it was your weird Prime Minister that was holding hands with him. Maybe you have things in common with the new world order.

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They are referenced in the same articles,

You presented 3 articles that quoted the same research, utterly pointless. All you needed was to quote the actual study, where 59% answered that one way or the other the don't believe in God.

Along with better analysis.

Do you even know what that word means? There's barely any analysis in the LA Times article, and the kos post is quote mining someone else's working, which laughably tries to use historical examples of religious scientists as if that's a valid argument.

Don't bother quoting hoax studies from atheists. I'm not interested.

 There's that confirmation bias again. Ecklund's study isn't that far off the Pew Research, and she heads up a group that opens up conversation between scholars, religious leaders and the public with regards to religion. She's of great help to the religious, but as usual you'll dismiss her research because it doesn't say what you want it to.

I have nothing in common with him

You really do though, with your comically immature insults, typing 'sad' at the end of sentences and in the post I'm replying to you had a bit of a 'fake news' moment.

and it was your weird Prime Minister that was holding hands with him. Maybe you have things in common with the new world order.

I've been pretty consistent i my disdain for the Conservative Party here Kurt, so you'll struggle to join those dots.

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You presented 3 articles that quoted the same research, utterly pointless. All you needed was to quote the actual study, where 59% answered that one way or the other the don't believe in God.


Wrong. The assessment of the results was different and thus the reason they were posted. I'm sure that after you very quietly made no effort to counter argue those people who claimed on this board that: 'ALL SCIENTISTS ARE ATHEISTS', you're now angry for being exposed as aiding and abetting other liars. I totally understand deviates.

https://phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html

You don't know how to use a search engine deviates? Plenty of links on this issue.


which laughably tries to use historical examples of religious scientists as if that's a valid argument.



So now scientists who believe in God are a joke to you. Should I be surprised at the militant atheist's reflex reaction?

but as usual you'll dismiss her research because it doesn't say what you want it to.



If it DOESN'T say that zero scientists believe in God, then I'm open minded. The last post I looked at said 60%, which is more believable. But you and I will never agree on that. lol

I'm replying to you had a bit of a 'fake news' moment.



And now you're claiming my links are fake news? Isn't that what Trump resorts to Mr. Tory?


I've been pretty consistent i my disdain for the Conservative Party here Kurt, so you'll struggle to join those dots.



Until you stop assuming I'm a Trump supporter, I might conclude you're not a Tory reptile.





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