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FilmFlaneur I was able to reconstruct your list after you edited.

posted 8 years ago by kurt-2000
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You're welcome. I wanted to make sure we didn't leave out the two films you deleted from your list.

Ok Film....as you requested. Your skin flick list of kink.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091325/

Bad Johnson (2014)
4.5/10
A charismatic womanizer receives his comeuppance after his penis mysteriously leaves his body and takes human form. (88 mins.)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060461/

The Girl-Getters (1964)
7.1/10
In a seaside village, a group of local young men mingle among the seasonal tourists in search of sexual conquests... (93 mins.)
Director: Michael Winner

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053908/

57.
Hideout in the Sun (1960)
4.9/10
Two brothers rob a bank and take a young girl hostage. They find out that the girl is a nudist, so they force her to take them to a nudist colony so they can hide out. (70 mins.)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0148746/

The Sexploiters

Taglines: A picture that goes beyond your imagination!
Genres: Drama
Certificate: Not Rated
Parents Guide: Add content advisory for parents »

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307213/

Bad Guy

In busy downtown Seoul, a thuggish young man notices a fresh-faced college student who sits on a bench. He stares then sits next to her. She looks at him as if he's vermin, rises and walks to another bench. He sits staring. Her boyfriend arrives, she points to the stranger, the boyfriend shrugs and puts his arm around her to walk away. The stranger starts to leave as well, turns, goes to them, takes her face firmly in his hands and kisses her long and hard. The boyfriend tries unsuccessfully to break them apart, then soldiers beat the stranger. She demands an apology. He is silent. She slaps him and spits on him. They leave. The next day, he sets out to ruin her.

Creepy - Film fantasy?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058267/

14.
Kitten with a Whip (1964)
4.6/10
A rising political star faces scandal and blackmail when the young woman he tries to help turns out to be a juvenile delinquent. (82

Teen flick for it time period.

Hey...I noticed you deleted some films. No problem, I'll check my list that I used in response to that moron deviates who claimed you didn't have skin or teen flicks. lol

Bingo! I found some the kinky flicks that Film deleted from his list. Including College Girls

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123705/mediaviewer/rm1285101056?ref_=tt_ov_i

College Girls

Member Review: "here's really not too much of a plot here and we're basically greeted with small stories that all are centered around sex. One story is a girl doing poorly in school so she sleeps with her teacher to get good grades and this follows with the teacher going home and raping his unwilling wife. We get a couple other misfits who sleep with incoming football players and we also get a wild party at the end where LSD is dropped, which leads to a bunch of topless dancing. As far as sexploitation films go this one here isn't too bad, although if you're expecting something great then you need to stay away from this film as well as every sexploitation film made. The softcore scenes are all rather silly but there are a couple erotic ones, which is probably the best work I've seen from this director. Performances are all laughable as is the score but the only reason this film was made was to show off skin and it does a good job at that. Another bonus is the fact that the film only runs 65-minutes so it "

Film! you dirty pervert. lol

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365296/

'Hair High' [Film watches teen flicks]

"Hair High" is a gothic high-school comedy with a "Carrie"-like story. Cherri and Rod are the high-school king and queen and they justifiably rule their domain. Spud, the new kid in town, accidentally offends both Cherri and Rod and so is forced to become Cherri's slave. Naturally, they immediately hate each other, but of course later they fall in love. Cherri and Spud secretly decide to go to the prom together, and on prom night a rejected Rod forces their car off the road and into the lake. In true 50's ballad style, their car sinks to the bottom of the lake as they share one last kiss. While the bodies of Cherri and Spud lie in a timeless embrace, Rod is successful in thwarting any investigation and is able to get away with murder. On the night of the following year's prom, the car magically comes to life and slowly drives out of the lake with Cherri and Spud, as if nothing had happened, only this time their bodies are in an advanced state of decomposition.

I kid you not, here's the stuff Film watches:

www.imdb.com/title/tt0060461/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0148746/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1050160/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053908/

etc. etc.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0148746/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1050160/ < teen school girl

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053908/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365296/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0962826/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055074/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091325/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058267/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044515/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307213/

Then you deleted two of the films on your list from yesterday out of embarrassment. lol

You didn't want anyone to see your viewing of 'College Girls"?

LOL

Busted.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Did you need more time to delete all these perverted films from your list of films watched?

I completely understand.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

No, you need more time to explain what the point of all this is, apart from demonstating your moral dislike of some cinema/films and, through this your fairly limited range of taste. So what? Since, for some reason, you have posted the same message on this board, here is the same reply as to last time lol:

First of all, I have not 'deleted' any reviews that I can remember, certainly not yesterday or recently, so I am not sure how you came by that notion. This will need to be substantiated. I expect the usual result. One also notes that you are the one who I remember only recently, claimed a 'mistake' and increased your score for GND2 and gave Apocalypse Now a '9' while simultaneously decrying it. Also, I am certainly not worried by anyone looking at the films I have watched or reviewed. Why should I be? There is nothing illegal, or shocking - except perhaps to the gauche, the prurient and those who, apparently, don't watch much outside of Hollywood blockbusters or teenage girl cinema lol

Secondly , none of this shows that I have an interest in the contemporary vogue for teenage saga movies, or the actress Stewart, in whom you have such an abiding interest. Which was, and still is the point

Thirdly, as already pointed out, I have reviewed hundreds of films on this site, many of which were edited and carried over from another for which work I was paid. One can review a film without personally liking it or endorsing it, as I am sure you might understand.

Fourthly I am not sure why you are assuming such faux moral outrage against a whole swathes of different films of which one can take it you do not approve. You are entitled to your opinions, as am I, expressed in reviews perhaps, but your sweeping condemnations and disapproval of so many films (many of which, one suspects you have not even seen) is something only explicable to yourself. What is the purpose? As already noted some of your assessments of what are world classics have been risible.

Fifthly , a glance of the films you pull out above with a summary shows that none of them are of special interest to the teenage girl market. I couldn't be bothered to look up all the rest. They do, however reflect a gauche and hasty assessment of a variety and range of films, any adult content of which which apparently disturbs you.

Sixthly if it is true (and I didn't see the claim) that

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deviates claimed you didn't have skin or teen flicks. lol
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That is a matter better addressed to him. But even then these are reductive categories that I would argue with on a case-by-case basis. I have never said that none of my reviews contain sexploitation or films which might be watched by teens, so again I am not sure of the point you are making.

Seventhly If you are a person who can pan such obvious classics such as Apocalypse Now, The Searchers, Blade Runner et al then why would anyone take your assessments of anything seriously? I don't know either.

Eighth, if you really take great issue with such a large amount of cinema, then how is it you have assured us just recently that you are "easily pleased"? lol

Lastly, if

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I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
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What is this diatribe (now repeated!) we see from you then?

I must say a wholesale moral attack on my viewing and reviewing history is a novelty, lol, even if laughably misconceived, one both ill-informed and blue-nosed. But then again, you ever are entertaining and educational, as I have said. I just ask what your point is, since I am not sure apart from your idea of 'good taste' - which will always be subjective and in your case, presumably informed by conservative moral and religious values. So much the worse for you, unfortunately.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

you need more time to explain what the point of all this is

I will remind you once again what this "diatribe" is all about, and it's real simple:

** YOU CLAIMED, and deviates also re-enforced your claim, THAT YOU HAD NO INTEREST IN JOINING ME AT THE KRISTEN STEWART BOARD since you seemed to demonstrate a great interest in discussing the issues that originated and were intended for that board.

Cosmo for some strange reason, wanted to bring the the talking points from that board to the GND & GND2 boards, which makes no sense to me.

YOU STATED THAT YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING TEEN FILMS.

And I caught you red handed telling that lie.

Because your list of viewed films included lots of teen flicks and skin flicks. You actually spent considerable time viewing these kinds of films - so you lied.

On another related point, I'd like to believe that you're not really into rape scenes, assault, domination of women, mindless nudity for lust value and other aspects that your viewer list suggests. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I don't know you or cosmo enough to know for sure.

Cosmo on the other hand is still suspect. Today he claimed that he never defended Stewart or characterized her as "attractive", which is a dirty dog faced lie. So he's walking down the path of telling one lie after another.

But today I did point out something to cosmo which he admitted to not knowing. Stewart was born in 1990. She turn age 18 in 2008. SHE ALREADY HAD 20 FILMS TO HER CREDIT AS AN UNDER AGED TEEN. And so she continued to perform under aged roles well after she turned 18. This is why she's known for playing an under aged actor. The perverts of this world who are her groupies wanted to screw her, and openly admitted this, when she was a minor. Pedophiles in the closet. I give cosmo the benefit of the doubt that when he was defending her and calling her attractive, he was confused about the issues BEING DISCUSSED ON THE STEWART BOARD. (Why are you yelling: because you don't pay attention Film, and cosmo is still an ahole anyway.)

In conlusion: The discussions I was having with people on the Stewart board were my discussions. Not your discussions since you weren't involved. Stewart, regardless of fame status, achieved one impressive accomplishment. She made $80 million dollars before age 25, and that's something that few actors in history have accomplished. I found that interesting even though you claim to have no interest in anything relating to her but decided to chime in on a conversation you were never a part of in the first place.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

And once again for the hard of hearing:

I didn't really expect such a long rant repeated 4 times though which tells the reader more about you and your hangups than they ever do about what you suppose are mine. Nor such a tendentious demonstration of faux outrage best suited to old-style moral campaigners. Nor to experience your apparently lack of appreciation for whole swathes of cinema lol.

YOU CLAIMED, and deviates also re-enforced your claim, THAT YOU HAD NO INTEREST IN JOINING ME AT THE KRISTEN STEWART BOARD since you seemed to demonstrate a great interest in discussing the issues that originated and were intended for that board.

And I still have ... no interest. Although if there are people contributing like you over there, rather than the hitherto expected clique of fan boys and teenage contributors, it becomes more tempting. But I am glad you bring Stewart up again, it is so refreshing, you rarely mention her.

YOU STATED THAT YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING TEEN FILMS

Well I am still not really, it is more your thing. Perhaps I have been paid to review some over the years, and perhaps have watched films with a teen interest. But the point was, and is, still, that I don't care about those current teen sagas, and their crew, such as seem to transfix and obsess you at present. But I have explained this several times now. There are no Twilights or Hunger Games nor such recent fluff in my review history, while I never appear on the relevant boards. So, meh. You've had your rant against a wide body of reviewing and blown it. And why are you shouting so much?

Because your list of viewed films included lots of teen flicks and skin flicks. You actually spent considerable time viewing these kinds of films

And as already patiently explained, being paid to review a film does not mean one has an abiding interest. Also a lot, if not all, of the films you claim 'I have interest in' are clearly not even aimed at a female teenage audience , let alone teenagers especially. In any case, you seem to be making your grab-all selections, only to go on and condemn the titles through personal prurience and issues of 'good taste' - a different thing entirely! So again, one really wonders: what are you trying to prove, other than your own, increasingly obvious, limited accommodation for art house and exploitation, Asian cinema etc?

I'd like to believe that you're not really into rape scenes, assault, domination of women, mindless nudity for lust value and other aspects that your viewer list suggests. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I don't know you or cosmo enough to know for sure.

That is very kind of you. And you can rest assured that I'd like to believe that you have a wider, balanced and more adult appreciation of cinema and the way reviewing works, together with a remembrance of what I have actually said about not liking the current run of teenage saga movies - rather than just jousting at a random selection of a whole range of different films in the hope of proving anything except how the morally determined can be 'outraged' by anything. Just as, presumably, they can be easily 'insulted' LOL.

Today he claimed that he never defended Stewart or characterized her as "attractive", which is a dirty dog faced lie. So he's walking down the path of telling one lie after another. today I did point out something to cosmo which he admitted to not knowing. Stewart was born in 1990. She turn age 18 in 2008. SHE ALREADY HAD 20 FILMS TO HER CREDIT AS AN UNDER AGED TEEN. And so she continued to perform under aged roles well after she turned 18. This is why she's known for playing an under aged actor. The perverts of this world who are her groupies wanted to screw her, and openly admitted this, when she was a minor. Pedophiles in the closet. I give cosmo the benefit of the doubt that when he was defending her and calling her attractive, he was confused about the issues BEING DISCUSSED ON THE STEWART BOARD.. Stewart, regardless of fame status, achieved one impressive accomplishment. She made $80 million dollars before age 25, and that's something that few actors in history have accomplished.

*Yawn* As already noted, Stewart seems to exercise you far more than it ever will me and worryingly leads you into very unpleasant considerations of implied paedophilia. I still don't care. At all.

But this interesting diversion still leaves you, let's not forget with those purported proofs of God to refute. Any advance on the nothing from you so far?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

repeated 4 times

That was your doing because you wanted to make sure no one thought you watch kinky flicks. And certainly after you told me that you don't watch teen or skin flicks, was the point. Your evasiveness tactics don't work with me.

lack of appreciation for whole swathes of cinema lol.

'College Girls' film was reviewed by one member as "softcore" pornography". IMDb recommended that if you like that film, or related films by the director, check out 'Women in Prison' softcore flicks. You were attempting to convince readers on GND2 that you're above all that.

being paid to review a film does not mean one has an abiding interest

If you're really that hard up for money, send me your post box mailing number and zip code and I'll send you $20 so you can get a Christmas meal. Geez Film...

'I have interest in' are clearly not even aimed at a female teenage audience

I included examples of films on your list that were designed for teens and plenty more from past decades that I didn't even mention.

I'd like to believe that you have a wider, balanced and more adult appreciation of cinema and the way reviewing works

OK I'll play along. Tell me what you thought of the award winning, highly acclaimed film, "Last Tango in Paris" by acclaimed director Bernardo Bertolucci, and how would you rate it. Or just tell me if you thought it was good.

*Yawn* As already noted, Stewart seems to exercise you far more than it ever will me

And here's the interesting part of the discussion. I already knew from last year that you thought Twilight and Stewart were a **yawn. And you revealed that the only reason you chimed in was to defend cosmo's virtue. The only problem is that you and cosmo have no interactive relationship. When you two came to this board, you got into an exchange with cosmo, decided you no longer wanted to chat with him, and turned your back on the guy long ago. If I were cosmo I'd send you a PM and say: 'I can take care of myself. Big, bad Kurt doesn't scare me.' The word we're looking for here to describe your chivalry is, 'disingenuous'.

Did you want me to post on all four of your locations or just two locations, GND & GND2?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

That was your doing because you wanted to make sure no one thought you watch kinky flicks.

No, I just thought it was practical to cut 'n' paste to match yours each time. After all, I would not want you to make wild and inaccurate claims about 'having no answer' would I? And I can only repeat that your obsession in finding 'kinky flicks' everywhere is apparently your own, really reveals your own weaknesses in film appreciation - and has no relation to the fact I still don't want to watch modern day sagas aimed at the teenage market. But I am sure you have your tickets booked already to see Passengers? lol...

Your evasiveness tactics don't work with me.

You mean like when I answer point for point while still not having a reply attempting to refute the prospective proofs for the non-existence of God you asked for recently? I see.

'College Girls' film was reviewed by one member as "softcore" pornography".

I am sure that is correct. But it is not a film I have reviewed or even watched, and I have just checked again.. The film does not feature in my old deleted reviews, of which there are 3. If you say I have, then by all means offer substantiation - or admit this is just wrong. Otherwise it becomes boring. But such a movie sure seems to be of interest to you as you returning to it. But in any case, just because you have moral disapproval of the subject of a film - to which naturally you are entitled - does not mean it is not necessarily worthwhile, or a bad film. It just mean kurt doesn't like it (or the sound of it, since it doesn't seem you have even watched most of that which you jump to condemn).

IMDb recommended that if you like that film, or related films by the director, check out 'Women in Prison' softcore flicks. You were attempting to convince readers on GND2 that you're above all that.

No; I have never argued this, and further, don't see how this is relevant to not liking modern teenage saga films. AMOF I rather enjoy such better films of the genre such as The Big Bird Cage , Caged Heat, or the earlier examples Caged (1950),or Women's Prison (1955) etc. You really need to broaden your horizons and chill a little over low budget exploitation cinema. I know what I would rather watch again over the tedious and pompous proselytizing of GND.

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being paid to review a film does not mean one has an abiding interest
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If you're really that hard up for money, send me your post box mailing number and zip code and I'll send you $20 so you can get a Christmas meal. Geez Film...

Thanks for the offer - but I will stick to writing about movies when asked, as I enjoy the process. But at least you now grudgingly acknowledge that such things as professional reviewing jobs happen. In connection with this I would suggest that an abidingly proscriptive and provincial approach to world cinema and genre by one means rarely being asked for that work, so no need to worry.

I included examples of films on your list that were designed for teens and plenty more from past decades that I didn't even mention.

As I noted, I have haven't ever said that I have never watched or reviewed such films. However, as others have observed your idea of 'films for teenagers', let alone those specifically aimed at the female - which is still the issue here - is conveniently skewed and stretched. It is doubtful that many if any of those you claim to discover are really what most would reasonable see as films made for a such a specific audience. And you still seem to be trying to disprove something I have never said.

The other question is this, if you recommend films for teenagers as a worthwhile field of viewing then why do you condemn such films en masse when apparently seen on my viewing list? You need to be at least consistent.

Tell me what you thought of the award winning, highly acclaimed film, "Last Tango in Paris" by acclaimed director Bernardo Bertolucci, and how would you rate it. Or just tell me if you thought it was good.

kurt! I would never watch such an appalling work of depraved filth! I am shocked you might have!

I already knew from last year that you thought Twilight and Stewart were a **yawn.

Finally. QED.

And you revealed that the only reason you chimed in was to defend cosmo's virtue.

Actually, to express my disgust at a paedophiliac smear which you later compounded by associating it with homosexuality.

The only problem is that you and cosmo have no interactive relationship. When you two came to this board, you got into an exchange with cosmo, decided you no longer wanted to chat with him, and turned your back on the guy long ago. If I were cosmo I'd send you a PM and say: 'I can take care of myself. Big, bad Kurt doesn't scare me.' The word we're looking for here to describe your chivalry is, 'disingenuous'.

Never the less one can express concern at an appalling implication at which you ought to be ashamed, and which I see today, still lingers on. But I guess that is what being religious is all about.

Did you want me to post on all four of your locations or just two locations, GND & GND2?

Knock yourself out lol, but persistent and aggressive cyber stalking is not very flattering. And you know I will normally reply and you will only be embarrassed again.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Passengers?

No, I have tickets to see Rogue One: Star Wars. Another teen favorite.

Mine too.

Tell me what you thought of the award winning, highly acclaimed film, "Last Tango in Paris" by acclaimed director Bernardo Bertolucci, and how would you rate it. Or just tell me if you thought it was good.

kurt! I would never watch such an appalling work of depraved filth! I am shocked you might have!

Correct answer. At least you watch the recent news.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

I have tickets to see Rogue One: Star Wars. Another teen favorite.

You should probably learn something about cinema, and popular culture in general I guess, because calling Star Wars a 'teen favourite' shows a distinct misunderstanding of Star Wars and teen films on the whole.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I'll stick to my statement that teens like Star Wars. Adults like the S.W. films too.

Most of my top picks for cinema are popular culture favorites.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

I'll stick to my statement that teens like Star Wars.

That's never been up for debate. Teens like all sorts, you can't start reclassifying movies as 'teen films', which is exactly what you meant by 'teen favourite' just because teens like them, otherwise everything is a 'teen favourite', including porn, and that's just nonsense. I'm also quite happy taking the view that teens probably make up the smallest, or close to it, demographic of Star Wars fans, behind kids and adults. Please take not that being the 'smallest' in no way mean they're a small demographic, just in comparison to others. But that's neither here nor there.

Most of my top picks for cinema are popular culture favorites.

Yet you posses a rather strange view of Blade Runner and Apocalypse Now, and seemingly The Godfather films as well. Films that are right towards the top of the pile of popular culture favourites.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

That's never been up for debate. Teens like all sorts, you can't start reclassifying movies as 'teen films'

Teens and young adults fuel the income for science fiction films. That's the consumer base that determines which films will succeed. Adults tend to flock to science fiction films if young adult and teens consider those films to be of quality.

Yet you posses a rather strange view of Blade Runner and Apocalypse Now, and seemingly The Godfather films as well. Films that are right towards the top of the pile of popular culture favourites.

A.N. and the Godfather flicks are gratuitous violence for the sake of shocking an audience.

Blade Runner would have been my least favorite film, if not for the female actors that made the story interesting. Joanna Cassidy, Daryl Hannah and Sean Young made that film more than just a documentary about the future.

http://www.nme.com/blogs/the-movies-blog/new-blade-runner-2049-cast-trailer-release-date-1921302

I don't know. Maybe 2049 might be worth a look. It has Gosling in it, and he doesn't take roles in lame films. Ford does.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy in space. But that's neither here nor there, it's a franchise that's gone beyond films and is mainly fuelled by those who were kids when the originals came out, and they passed it on to their children. That's the root cause of it. It doesn't fall victim to the same standard as other films because it's basically moved beyond basic film into a whole separate beast and culture of its own.

A.N. and the Godfather flicks are gratuitous violence for the sake of shocking an audience.

Have you even seen either of these films, particularly Apocalypse Now? I certainly wouldn't accuse either of being gratuitously violent. Anyway, aren't you into horror, including that film about rape, Alien?

It has Gosling in it, and he doesn't take roles in lame films.

Gangster Squad wasn't particularly good, and even though he was good in it, The Place Beyond The Pines was terrible.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy in space

I've noted this evening there has been debate on the internet about that classification.

Have you even seen either of these films, particularly Apocalypse Now? I certainly wouldn't accuse either of being gratuitously violent. Anyway, aren't you into horror, including that film about rape, Alien?

I've seen A.N. twice. A lot of characters were killed in this film. Playboy creator Hefner stated that his company never sent Playmates to dance for soldiers in Nam. Not sure why that side-story was included. I saw the Godfather films and hated them.

Anyway, aren't you into horror

I'm into paranormal films. Ghosts and such. Not really into watching people die. Big fan of the TV series 'The Dead Files', and discuss the show FB.

including that film about rape, Alien?

Alien 3 had the rape scene and that's my least favorite Alien film. The first film, 'Alien' taught meaningful lessons.

Gangster Squad wasn't particularly good, and even though he was good in it, The Place Beyond The Pines was terrible.

Gosling's popularity right now is similar to Chris Pine. They're both in positions to be picky about what they appear in. Just personal opinion. Maybe 2047 will be a good film, who knows.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

I've noted this evening there has been debate on the internet about that classification

It's not really a debate, because it's not sci-fi, but not everyone agress. Never have, never will. Just setting a film in space doesn't automatically make it sci-fi imo.

I've seen A.N. twice. A lot of characters were killed in this film. Playboy creator Hefner stated that his company never sent Playmates to dance for soldiers in Nam.

Which isn't the same as being gratuitously violent. And I've never much liked The Godfather, but it's still not a gratuitously violent film.

Alien 3 had the rape scene and that's my least favorite Alien film. The first film, 'Alien' taught meaningful lessons.

As did the first film, along with all the imagery, but we've been through this before and I seem to recall linking you to what the actual makers of the film said. What do you think's going on in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20_fnfsJETM

They're both in positions to be picky about what they appear in

I like Ryan Gosling, but to say he doesn't do lame films is wrong. And you wouldn't like Drive, it actually does have one scene of relatively gratuitous violence. Beyond that it's a pretty amazing film.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

What do you think's going on in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20_fnfsJETM

It's too dark for me to tell, but it's a very short scene. When I initially saw it years ago, I assumed that was the capture strategy used by the alien to prevent the victim from running away. Attack from the rear and front to prevent escape. I assumed the alien kept the victim in tact to plant a creature inside the host's body. But it might be that you know more about this film than I do.

And I've never much liked The Godfather

Too much violence for me.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

It's too dark for me to tell

Then you can also listen to the sound. It's all there to suggest what's going on, as is the entire subtext behind the movie. But much the same as last time we had this discussion if you don't see that then there's no harm in it, just don't accuse others of liking films about rape, all for maybe having a rape scene in them, when you also like a film about rape, albeit in a slightly less directly obvious way, that also features endless amounts of sexual imagery.

Too much violence for me.

So what's your opinion on the last Twilight film? I have not and will not see it, the incredibly superfluous one before it saw to that, but I gather it's entirely about a fight so must be gratuitously violent?

As for The Godfather, 1 and 2 anyway, they're clearly great films I just don't find them particularly interesting, but then I'm not into gangster/mobster films anyway.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

So what's your opinion on the last Twilight film? I have not and will not see it, the incredibly superfluous one before it saw to that, but I gather it's entirely about a fight so must be gratuitously violent?

As for The Godfather, 1 and 2 anyway, they're clearly great films I just don't find them particularly interesting, but then I'm not into gangster/mobster films anyway.

There's too much organized crime mindless shooting and murder. It's too close to reality and depressing.

if you don't see that then there's no harm in it, just don't accuse others of liking films about rape, all for maybe having a rape scene in them, when you also like a film about rape, albeit in a slightly less directly obvious way, that also features endless amounts of sexual imagery.

I never got the impression that the alien was raping her - just killing her or taking her captive. But maybe R. Scott gave some narrative to the question that you read but I didn't.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Tell me what you thought of the award winning, highly acclaimed film, "Last Tango in Paris" by acclaimed director Bernardo Bertolucci, and how would you rate it. Or just tell me if you thought it was good.

kurt! I would never watch such an appalling work of depraved filth! I am shocked you might have!
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Correct answer. At least you watch the recent news.

As noted elsewhere heavy irony, like so much else, continues to elude you.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

heavy irony

What irony. That I was a pre-teen when I saw this film?

You and your cryptic comments.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

What irony. That I was a pre-teen when I saw this film?

No, that I apparently condemned it in your own over-the-top terms.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

But for what reason did you condemn it, is the question. A recent discussion concerning this film was news.

Do you know why?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

But for what reason did you condemn it, is the question

I see even when I point up the irony, it still eludes you.

A recent discussion concerning this film was news.

I am sure this was the case.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I see even when I point up the irony, it still eludes you.

Kurt: A recent discussion concerning this film was news.

I am sure this was the case.

Translation: You're totally unaware of the news article pertaining to the film.

No surprise there.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

You're totally unaware of the news article pertaining to the film

If this was the case, it is a good job that you are so educational then, is it not?

I'm well aware that railing does no good

kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

If this was the case, it is a good job that you are so educational then, is it not?

"good job" - compensation?

Apparently that educational information seemed to get past you unnoticed.

So it is not.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

And how is the railing working for you?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

"good job" - compensation?

Reading your messages is compensation in itself, my friend.

Apparently that educational information seemed to get past you unnoticed.

That is one reason why you are so useful. It is a mystery, btw why Last Tango appears to stick so much in your craw; it is not a film I have either recommended, or even reviewed.

And how is the railing working for you?

Please quote where I 'rail' against anyone. I did need to offer up some extended replies of late, but these were even-tempered and proportionate in response to something - for which you eventually felt the need to partly apologise.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] TopFrog 8 years ago

It is a mystery, btw why Last Tango appears to stick so much in your craw; it is not a film I have either recommended, or even reviewed.

I assume that Last Tango gets pulled into the conversation because of the recent controversy over remarks by Bertolucci regarding the anal sex scene using butter as a lubricant, that some saw as a confession that it was done without the consent of the Maria Schneider, the actress involved. https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/bertolucci-admits-infamous-last-tango-butter-rape-scene-was-non-consensual-162300811.html This caused some to overreact by calling for destruction of all copies of the film on the basis that it showed an actual rape, but the whole thing seems to have been a misunderstanding, with Bertolucci and his cinematographer Vittorio Storaro offering further comments to try and clear things up. See http://deadline.com/2016/12/bernardo-bertolucci-marlon-brando-maria-schneider-rape-scene-backlash-ridiculous-misunderstanding-1201864551/ and www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/last-tango-paris-cinematographer-nothing-happened-shooting-953391.

I guess this was all a trap, as in if you had positive things to say about Last Tango you'd be praising a film that showed an actual rape. Me, I saw it once over 30 years ago. No doubt I was too young then to really grasp the issues involved, but I have no great desire to watch it again.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Yes, I agree with you. It's been a while since I saw it but like you I don't have any urge to do so again. To be honest I had guessed that kurt wanted me to praise a work he found distasteful (for, it seems, now spurious reasons). I wish he'd at least pick a film about which I do care to argue point by point about, presumably to try and prove the threatening immorality of atheists by example; it would be far more interesting.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

You gave this film high marks....

The Girl-Getters (1964)
7.1/10
In a seaside village, a group of local young men mingle among the seasonal tourists in search of sexual conquests... (93 mins.)
Director: Michael Winner

Care to discuss your interest in this one? I'm assuming the "local young men" were atheists in light of "sexual conquests".

Speaking of atheist Brits in Brit films, "Clockwork Orange' then.

Oh shucks..can't use that or Frog will think it's a trap.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Michael Winner's later career can be seen as disappointing given the quality of his early work. The Girl Getters is an excellent example of Winner working during this best period, and features Oliver Reed in a typically charismatic role. The film is a social commentary on the often feckless nature of the working class of a British sea-side town, where employment is often seasonal with an exploration of some sexual mores. The treatment is fresh and can be said to be influenced by the nouvelle vague.

Have you even seen this film, kurt?

Speaking of atheist Brits in Brit films, "Clockwork Orange' then.

This is a major Kubrick film which, among other things uses nihilism and classical music to startling effect. It has been massively influential. But since kurt doesn't approve it is best condemned. Apparently.

Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Oliver Reed

I make a point of avoiding Oliver Reed films. 'Burnt Offerings' left a bad taste in my mouth.

But since kurt doesn't approve it is best condemned. Apparently.

I lost count of how many rapes there were in that film.

Bad Johnson (2014)
4.5/10
A charismatic womanizer receives his comeuppance after his penis mysteriously leaves his body and takes human form. (88 mins.)

Another must see classic?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

I make a point of avoiding Oliver Reed films

You could be missing out. The Devils for instance, in its reconstructed form, is perhaps Ken Russell's best film, while Reed's Hammer films are also very entertaining. He also appears in Gladiator and a rather good Cronenberg. But he certainly became a parody of himself, and appeared in some dross later in life.

'Burnt Offerings' left a bad taste in my mouth.

Perhaps you might consider asking the wife to cook Xmas dinner next year then?

I lost count of how many rapes there were in that film [Clockwork Orange].

Only kurt would count rapes.

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Bad Johnson (2014)
4.5/10
A charismatic womanizer receives his comeuppance after his penis mysteriously leaves his body and takes human form. (88 mins.)
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Another must see classic?

No, but ultimately better than one might think - and ultimately with a social message to boot, a moral one. Another one you haven't seen, one imagines.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000