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Wow, Raves have changed...


...for the worse. The 1990's had the best music and the most creative people. Raves now are about getting f$cked up and having sex. Sure that went on in the 90's too, but it was mostly about the music and a communal experience. This seems like a mostly self-centered experience. Thank God I was young when I was. This looks awful.

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It's still mostly about getting f cked up and dancing your ass off. Sure, there are sleazebags in it just trying to get some, but to say that's the majority of attendees is ignorant.

Wendy? Darling? Light, of my life!

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I am just saying this from what I see in this trailer and what young people tell me about raves now. I also have read stories about how raves and ravers have changed over the years. I honestly don't think the rave experience now is the same as it was back in the day. It was fresh and new back then and we weren't connected to technology back then. I am sure that you can find your own piece of heaven still and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the experience has to be totally different now, and I honestly think it is for the worse.

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BTW, TrapLord has pretty good taste in movies...

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Heh. Thanks, I appreciate that.

Wendy? Darling? Light, of my life!

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The film is about how raves have changed for the worse, with an older 90s-era character ranting at the younger people for ruining it, and a young idealist who is there for all the right reasons. It also shows the ugly side of the crass corporatization of the EDM culture.

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When DJs are being paid thousands of pounds for a few hours to do some music in a rave, you know it is all corporate BS.

It's that man again!!

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I agree. I try to be careful and come off as an old jaded guy who always talks about the old days, but when it comes to raves and edm music of today, it really has changed for the worse.

EDM music all sounds the same now. It's hard for me to put my finger on it, but the buildups in all trance/house songs of today are exactly the same.

There was much better variety in EDM sounds in the late 90's early 2000's.

And you are right about today's youth being too connected to technology. Do people even find out where a rave is by going to map points?

As for this movie, as soon as the guy in the opening sequence started talking about his "youtube views" I had to shut it off. Too lame for my tastes.

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Personally I think you're seeing things with rose tinted glasses mate.

Yes raves were better then but as for variety in the music??
Pick up any 90s rave mix and youll hear the same style piano riffs going through 50% of it. It wasnt THAT varied.

EDM advance style (that God awful sh*te that's got all the Americans on board) is samey, yes.
But Electronic Dance Music is less samey now than its ever been.

Go pick up a trance mix by Indecent Noise, a psytrance mix by John 00 Fleming, a DnB mix by Andy C or a house n techno mix by Carl Cox - they're SO different they can't be compared, and the variation in the tracks is huge.

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EDM "as a style".
Bloody phones. I was at a big rave yesterday, I can be excused.

;)

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You do realize that Andy C and Carl Cox were around back in the 90's, right? They were very much a part of the rave scene back then. What I remember about the rave scene back in the 90's is that there was a lot more house, acid, drum and bass, psychedelic trance, gabber/happy hardcore, and progressive trance at raves in multiple rooms. To say the EDM now is more varied is not something I would agree with.

As a tech house and trance DJ back in the day, I found that the quality of the music you played was dependent on where you were buying your records. I used to shop mail order from Satellite Records in NYC, Frequency 8 in SF, and a few more places. Mainly looking for German, UK trance and Detroit techno. Hooj Choons was responsible for some of the most well-known and popular tracks. Deservedly so. Like the Man With No Name remix of "Three Drives" by Greece 2000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj8YxxHfJ-U The production on a lot of stuff these days is all done on software synths, so the quality has suffered a lot. Producers just write everything in the box, and it lacks the sound of some of the tracks from the 90's.

As for a track with piano chords, I would challenge you to find a track that captures the spirit of the rave scene better than "Floating" by Terra Firma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkyFHx4ncR0&index=2&list=PLbBewB_DMSUJiLe8B1W6B4I6fCKP_lMOl

These days, I put on modular synthesizer events. All live performances, no DJ's. I never lost my passion for electronic music. But I find that DJ'ing and EDM puts too much emphasis on the superficial and not enough on the music. Personally, I think live synth performance is the future of electronic music.

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Yep... I related to the Chris Delia characterwhole watching it...

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EDM Festivals are not raves but bunch of under age wannabee hipsters think it is rave by doing drugs when that is not all about raving.

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You summed it up nicely

The sort of events portrayed in films like this should not be confused with actual raves

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Proper raves haven't really changed and in most major cities I'm sure you can find proper raves happening that still play genuine rave music in various genres.

The only thing that's really changed is that commercial music is currently borrowing a lot from the rave scene. Hence you get commercial festivals with cheesy music played by pretend DJs. EDM is basically an extremely commercialised hybrid of trance and house that the current mainstream crowd thinks is somehow hard and edgy.

Don't confuse these festivals with actual raves which haven't gone away. In fact most of the artists and DJs you liked in the 90s (Carl Cox, Mark Archer etc) are still actively touring and doing gigs along with excellent newcomers.

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