No, that's how confessions are elicited.
Confessions consist of volunteering information.
All they did was feed him info and then badger him until he agreed.
They come in waves and are coaxed often over several interviews and several days with inconsistency as the suspect doesn't always wish to give information away.
An innocent suspect has no info to give away.
He said he didn't see it because she didn't have one and the cops mentioning it and him denying it are proof that he's not suggestible.
If they had ordered him "tell the truth, we know you're lying" he would have soon insisted he saw the non-existent tattoo, just like he invented everything else using info they gave him.
He claimed in his very first interview on Nov 06 that he saw Teresa and that she left, which the cops knew he was lying about.
They just made him make up a story that fitted their narrative.
Right so now it's not Dassey's low IQ which led to this "coercion" but his youth? Which is it?
Both. IQ affects mental age. He looks 16 but was mentally about a 10-tear-old.
If it's his youth then how did he need a guardian present as Duffin seems to think, despite neither State nor Federal law requiring this?
All this loophole in US Law proves is that the cops are legally allowed to get away with terrible things.
And are you saying that people with 70 IQs like Avery can learn from experience and retain that info to help them in future experiences?
You can train a dog, can't you?
How does that equate to mental impairments or intellectual deficits?
The greater the impairment, the easier it is to train them.
Dassey was trained to tell the cops whatever they wanted to hear so he would be rewarded by getting let home to watch wrestling.
Avery was trained to mistrust cops after they jailed him for things he did not do.
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Corpus_Vile
8 years ago
Confessions are elicited, suspects very rarely walk into a police station and start confessing right off the bat. It's not unheard of but it certainly isn't the norm.
No, they never fed him the specific details he mentioned, so I'm dismissing that until you provide the verbatim quotes where they do feed him the specific details I mentioned earlier. If you can't then you don't have an argument for feeding him info.
So you admit that Dassey isn't innocent considering he gave plenty of info away which was supported by the evidence.
Dassey's IQ was assessed as being between 81 & 87 according to his own expert defence witness.
His intellectual functioning was assessed by means of the Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test-2 and the Wechsler Abbreviated Scale of Intelligence. On both tests, he received comparable IQ scores. On the WASI, Brendan obtained a Full Scale IQ of 81. On the KBIT-2, he received a Verbal IQ of 84, a Nonverbal IQ of 87, and a Composite of 83. Thus, according to Wechsler norms, Brendan’s IQ scores all fall within the “low average” range of intelligence.
Robert H. Gordon, Ph.D
"Low average" doesn't equate to mentally impaired so I'm dismissing this as well and you can't have it both ways. If Avery's
70 IQ doesn't lead to him being coerced into confessing then Dassey's 81-87 IQ isn't a mental deficit and wasn't a factor in this so-called "coercion"
It also proves that Duffin has no justification decreeing that Dassey required a responsible adult and it's not a loophole either, some kids are abused by their parents or guardians so adults not being required for minors is for pertinent reasons.
No, again you can't have it both ways. Avery never confessed and doesn't come across as mentally impaired at all and Dassey has a higher IQ and was able to withstand strenuous cross examination on the stand and proved resistant to suggestion.
No, you're simply asserting this with nothing to back it up, something you seem to have in common with Duffin btw. You're asserting that Dassey was "trained", back it up with something credible thanks. Otherwise it's just like your opinion man...
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speculator-1
8 years ago
So you admit that Dassey isn't innocent considering he gave plenty of info away which was supported by the evidence.
They fed him the info, and the physical evidence is flimsy at best.
I've already provided you with the page number of the transcript, combined with a link to the exact precise page where the cops messed up their case.
The cops got away with their behaviour because the system is badly broken.
some kids are abused by their parents or guardians so adults not being required for minors is for pertinent reasons.
Some adults are abused by other adults. Does that mean that adults should also be denied the right to legal representation?
Avery never confessed because he was innocent and as a grown man he was not dumb enough to plead guilty to something he did not do.
Dassey was a child with a mental age of ten, he wanted to please the cops because he thought they wanted to blame it all on Avery and not on him.
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Corpus_Vile
8 years ago
They fed him the info, and the physical evidence is flimsy at best.
No they didn't you have provided no examples of them feeding him the details he mentions, if anything the page transcript you provided supports my point that his confession is supported by evidence. Physical evidence isn't flimsy at all, hence Avery doing life without.
I've already provided you with the page number of the transcript, combined with a link to the exact precise page where the cops messed up their case.
No you provided me with examples that support my point. Provide the examples of the details covered.
The cops got away with their behaviour because the system is badly broken.
Separate issue, nobody is arguing that an imperfect system can't do with reforms but as it stands the techniques used do not qualify as coercion and the cops behaved within the parameters of the law.
So no you haven't given me anything, you've simply made assertions, which I'm dismissing as you have nothing viable to support them other than a Federal Magistrate's highly dubious and highly provisional ruling which doesn't withstand scrutiny anyway.
So when yu can find these explicit examples which I've asked for oh, several times jow, then get back to me. Otherwise you don't have a viable argument here, sorry.
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speculator-1
8 years ago
WIEGERT: We know, we just need you to tell us.
DASSEY: That’s all I can remember.
WIEGERT: All right, I’m just gonna come out and ask you. Who shot her in the head?
Get it?
They sit a child down and pretty much tell him "we want you to tell us that Steven shot her in the head".
Up until that, he thought they wanted him to say that he stabbed her.
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Corpus_Vile
8 years ago
Already covered. You haven't shown where he asks about being shot twice in the left side of the head with a .22. Are these lucky guesses by Dassey, is that it? To go with his further lucky guesses re sweat and handcuffs and the tires and all the other things which he just seems to know?
Do you believe he took the info from Kiss the Girls?
Dassey was a minor, not a child.
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