Jury Manipulation
no thanks !
Michael find another show stat !
Why? The truth hurts? Juries are made up of people. People can be manipulated. Jury selection's voir dire is ripe for it. You ask potential jurors questions to determine just how amenable or hostile they will be to the evidence you intend to present - the story you're going to tell.
Jury manipulation is part of the system. And as usual, the rich can do it better.
I don't trust people who don't like pets and I don't trust people who pets don't like.
Jury selection is one thing ... jury manipulation to the extent they are doing it is another.
And yet it happens, and it's not illegal
The show may glam it up, but it's only stretching reality a little
but where else can they go with this dumb plot after the pilot?
Do they still call it an elevator when it goes down?
Personally, I think that the devise of the jury members turning and thinking AT Bull was almost shark jumping time. It's when they lost me as far as liking the show. It was a what are the writers doing and why ? moment .. NOT good in a first episode.
shareI don't really get why fans are so put out with the plot devise of jury members thoughts being spoken out loud to Bull. I thought they were pretty funny and a facial expression just wouldn't telegraph so explicitly. As far as jury manipulation goes, I suppose that's what this type of firm is all about. I'll be curious to see if there are any stories where the firm is hired to help a clearly guilty person or company. Could be interesting.
shareI don't really get why fans are so put out with the plot devise of jury members thoughts being spoken out loud to Bull.
and then what?
Do they still call it an elevator when it goes down? share
I agree. I had no problem with the Jurors' thoughts being spoken out loud to Bull. I view it as a glimpse inside Bull's head - what he's imagining them thinking and for me it worked. As for jury manipulation, both the prosecution and the defence attempt to do that in every trial. If anyone believes that's not the case, they are naive. They start by trying to select the jurors most sympathetic to their side of the argument and then as the trial goes on, they tailor their questions and arguments to suit how they feel the jury is reacting. The defence puts the client forward in the best possible way from how he/she is dressed in court to how they sit at the defence table. I'm sure real jury consultants don't hack into people's phones or steal attorney's watches, but that doesn't bother me on a TV show.
shareI agree bnkrchk!
Anyone who doesn't believe this is happening and has been FOR YEARS, is a little over-the-edge on the naive meter. Because the bottom line is that this is part of the way that justice gets bought and paid for and the wealthy and/or connected are able to get verdicts that those with smaller pockets can't hope to achieve.
That being said, I'm probably not going to be watching much of the show however much I like MW. At it's core, Bull is a show about manipulation and I grew up in a household where that was my father's favorite sport... and he played those games with the minds of his children who both still bear the scars... I don't regard the show as entertainment so much as a horrifying walk down memory lane.
Been there, done that... not interested in the TV show.
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I think that the devise of the jury members turning and thinking AT Bull was almost shark jumping time.
You really don't know what "Jumping the Shark" means, do you? (or how to spell device)
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Personally, I think that the devise of the jury members turning and thinking AT Bull was almost shark jumping time. It's when they lost me as far as liking the show. It was a what are the writers doing and why ? moment .. NOT good in a first episode.
Personally, I thought that was the only interesting device in the pilot.
And as another pointed out, you don't use "shark jumping" coherently here for a first episode. The term applies to a show that was demonstrably good under one formula and then changes much later in its run to pander to mass appeal when it runs out of fresh ideas.
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was almost shark jumping time.
"Jumping the shark" is a pejorative idiom used to describe a moment of television in which there is a gimmick or unlikely occurrence that is seen as a desperate attempt to keep viewers' interest.wiki
I found this particular gimmick distracting and it made my already shaky suspension of disbelief crash to the ground.
It was a total shift from reality based to "HUH ? what are they doing?" time.
If it works for others great. What I watch or don't watch doesn't matter one bit in this cockeyed world. share
a desperate attempt to keep viewers' interest.
Jumping the Shark is the moment when an established long-running series changes in a significant manner in an attempt to stay fresh. Ironically, that moment makes the viewers realize that the show's finally run out of ideas. It's reached its peak, it'll never be the same again, and from now on it's all downhill.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark
If you want to use the term incorrectly, proceed. I personally appreciate being corrected when I'm wrong, but that's me.
It was a total shift from reality based to "HUH ? what are they doing?" time.
It was creative that way.
If it works for others great.
If it doesn't work for others great.
What I watch or don't watch doesn't matter one bit in this cockeyed world.
Yet you post about it, so it must matter one bit or that would be an insane action by you. share
I believe you nailed it!
I found this particular gimmick distracting and it made my already shaky suspension of disbelief crash to the ground.
What disbelief requires suspension?
Bull was merely thinking about how those jurors were reacting -- he was trying to figure out what they were thinking under the circumstances.
Whether it dramatically worked on TV or not is one thing (and I'm on the fence about whether it worked for me or not), but it's an entirely different thing to say you needed to suspend your disbelief to think that a person would try to imagine what others are thinking.
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If the show "works" for others, that's great.
(30)
Ok, since I am curious as a 😺, I must ask about your Signature - "(30)" what?!?!
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot - than to open it and remove all doubt!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9330%E2%80%93
WOW!!
Byrdz - the only thing more awesome than the explanation of what (30) means, is your generous "pointing me in the right direction" via the site you posted for me to peruse - thank you SO much, kind Sir/Ma'am!!
I love learning something new...I really enjoyed reading all about 30 😸
It's always a pleasure to meet someone like you....thanks again!
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot - than to open it and remove all doubt!