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Since Joker, has any movie come close to having a similar cultural impact? Is this the last relevant mainstream American movie?

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Did you miss the Barbenheimer thing this summer?

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Mostly.

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I didn't see those films (yet - although I do plan to) but I think as objectively as I can see, Barbie in-particular, and Oppenheimer as well, hit a level of cultural significance equal to or greater than Joker.

Although, broadly speaking, I do see your point. It seems like there are fewer and fewer movies really worth talking about or that everybody wants to talk about "around the water cooler," as it were, for culturally significant reasons or political interest.

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How are you judging 'cultural impact'? What impact did this movie have that others did not?

I'd say movies like Barbie, Oppenheimer, Top Gun: Maverick, Spider-Man: No Way Home and Dune: Parts One & Two are ones that have been released after and have been nearly as relevant or even more so.

A few months prior to Joker we had Avengers: Endgame which was the culmination of one of the biggest box office and pop culture dominating movie franchises of all time.



The only real lasting impact I see from Joker is the idolization of the character, which didn't begin with this movie, he's always been one of the most popular villains in media. It's true that this movies take on him did resonate with lonely men who can't get a date and are mad at the world but those edgy loser types aren't the types you'd want to be among.

Phoenix's Joker probably seems enduringly popular online due to the amount of edgy boys and men in the nerdy corners of the internet who revere the character. Sort of an echo chamber if you will, I don't think this character or movie are that enduringly relevant for most people. Though with the sequel coming out later this year we'll see if the general movie going public want more or if it was a flash in a pan.

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One way I judge cultural impact is the desperation with which blue cultists attempt to prove something "irrelevant" in hopes that it will 'just go away.'

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