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70s or 80s film about a young couple on a crime spree (long before "Natural Born Killers")
1970's movie about difficult pregnancy, mom looking at clown music box
Shouldn’t Hulk know?
QUESTION FOR LAWYERS: Kearns questioning himself
how does her face work?
diamond from Dahl's pocket
just realized what the title means
Sam Jackson’s burger
Broadway revival 2012 w/ Pacino as Levene …. Anyone see it?
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In fairness, Zemeckis made it clear, as did ALL THE PRESS surrounding this film, that it was one of two films shot back to back
Yet still people reacted badly to the ending
I heard people reacting the same way at the end of "Fellowship of the Ring" as well ... how much more clear to filmmakers have to be for audiences to get it?
It's "organic" because it does make sense for Marty to hate being called "chicken" -- the problem isn't that he takes offense, it's that the line, "nobody calls me chicken" is so specific that it sounds like a tagline. That's what makes it feel "tacked on"
Marty's not perfect in the first film. He's careless and hot-headed and nearly got in a fight with Biff in school and the diner
That's why I could easily see Marty reacting exactly the same way in BTTF2 and BTTF3 without the specific "nobody calls me chicken" line
It's not that Marty keeps refusing to back down from a challenge -- that's perfectly in character for him and even makes sense given how he grew up with a coward for a dad
It's the tagline itself -- feels like, as other posters point out above -- inserted into the story to create a plot point
"Holy Ground" has to be recognized as such by the immortals themselves.
The OP is joking, but in the series intro, Joe says, "He is safe only on holy ground," while Duncan approaches a crucifix. Problem is, that's NOT holy ground. It's a Templar museum, which is why Duncan can fight the Spandau Ballet brother there.
In any case, the first Duncan film reveals that "holy ground" is, like Ramirez told Connor, "tradition," and nothing more.
We love discussing this point to DEATH on these boards!
Here's my take: In the BTTF universe, changes to the timeline manifest gradually, maybe because the "future" as we see it is at least possible.
If, for example, Marty had accidentally KILLED George, perhaps he himself would immediately vanish.
Instead, Marty only interrupts his parents' first meeting. Because it's still POSSIBLE that Lorraine and George will meet and produce his family, Marty and his siblings only START disappearing from the photo as their existence gradually becomes less and less probable.
Similarly, Biff's high living in "Hell Valley" likely killed him, so old Biff in 2015 was feeling the pain of mortality catching up to him. And in the deleted scene, of course, we see him actually fade away.
In contrast, at the end of this film, the matchbook and newspaper clippings change immediately once Gray's Sports Almanac is actually burning. But until the book's on fire, it's still possible that Biff could get it back and create "Hell Valley."
I'm speculating too much, I know, but the point is, changes take time to manifest.
BTTF was incredibly optimistic and big-hearted compared to this, I think was the issue
I know, I found it jarring too
True, BTTF established Marty as a hothead, ready to fight Biff without much provocation. And it makes sense that the son of George McFly, as he originally was, would have a chip on his shoulder about cowardice.
BUT
The whole "nobody calls me chicken" thing is SO specific that it feels tacked on in this film (and BTTF3)
I wonder if they could've gotten away with it by eliminating that one line.
Just have Marty react the way we'd already expect him to act, i.e., exactly the way he DOES act but without saying, "nobody ... NOBODY calls me chicken!"
The movie predates online FPS and World-of-Warcraft-level game-addiction
There goes THAT theory
Honestly, I don't think it's supposed to mean anything specific ... it's just mythology handed down over generations.
The second movie reveals that "The One" is actually a part of the Architect's master plan anyway, and always has been, so he'd naturally "reveal" only what was useful to further that plan.
But even before the sequel, it seems to me that the mythology was purposely vague, the way legends tend to be.
"Born inside the Matrix" for example could be metaphorical. Neo was created as Mr. Anderson, later choosing "Neo" as his hacker handle, exercising free will in doing so, and was thus "born" as Neo inside the Matrix.
the way she lied about her father being alive represents how she puts up a false front to the world, seeming normal when she's actually crazy
Dan learns the father really did die, and confirms for himself and us that Alex really is nuts
Remember, too, that in every instance, it's the catfish who contacts Nev and the producers
They know full well who the catfish is beforehand -- it'd be irresponsible not to do a background check
It's only the "victim" who's actually surprised
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