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We Were Lied To

posted 6 months ago by warrior-poet (1333)
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https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

Much of this was known back then, but not amalgamated in this way. And even after viewing this, including the original unmanipulated corner's report (that shows no physical damage or signs of neck trauma, but does show a dangerous dose of fentanyl and a serious heart condition), extended bodycam footage, and even now with it revealed that the cops called in medical assistance within a minute of Floyd being put on the ground, etc., I still maintain that Chauvin and the others were guilty of negligence. Sitting on him while he claimed medical distress, even if he was faking it, was still negligence in my view, even if it was sanctioned procedure. But it also was NOT murder. To a certain extent Chauvin was railroaded by politics. He also in part brought it onto himself with his own actions. So did Floyd.

The real story here isn't Floyd and Chauvin, however. It's the behavior of those who reacted to it.

Update: my ultimate point here in case it wasn't clear is that as usual we have two sides stuck in a prison of two ideas. One side wants to put the blame entirely on Floyd, the other side entirely on Chauvin. But the truth is that both are to blame. I'd say about 70/30.

It's a Rorschach test for the state of our modern society. And every one of you failed it.
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[–] tvfan (9227) 6 months ago

I recommend that you also watch the BLM documentary as it elaborates on why everything based on GF was a lie and why Chauvin had to be sacrificed in order to appease the rioters/protesters.

The Greatest Lie Ever Sold: George Floyd and the Rise of BLM (2022)

https://moviechat.org/tt20256556/The-Greatest-Lie-Ever-Sold-George-Floyd-and-the-Rise-of-BLM
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III. No life-threatening injuries identified

A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma

VI. Toxicology

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol, isopropanol, or acetone
C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids, amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

[–] stickman38 (3023) 6 months ago

Just finished watching it. I was aware of most of the content but they made some pretty good points about it. The EMT's getting there late was a pretty big issue that probably cost Floyd his life. If they had gotten there sooner, they might have been able to save him.

However, I am not sure that this totally absolves Derek Chauvin, because keeping your knee on someone after no pulse is found is a bit nutty, they should have actually asked Derek what he was thinking when he continued to hold Floyd down after no pulse. But overall, there is nothing about this incident that leads me to believe that Chauvin was intentionally trying to kill Floyd.

In fact, the evidence is pretty strong that Floyd actually died from a drug overdose and city officials decided to cover it up and make it look like Floyd died from neck compression/asphyxia. I mean, what kind of shit is it that we get two autopsy reports with completely different results... 🤪

At the end of the day, this whole case just goes to show that we have a lot of work to do in this country in regards to race relations, educating the public and finding solutions to difficult social issues. I have hope that all of this will get resolved but I don't think it will happen until the SJW types stop embracing victimhood and creating false narratives in regards to police work and other areas of society. The country isn't perfect, we all understand this but it is still one of the best when it comes to individual freedoms and criminal justice and other various social problems.

I for one am not willing to let everything we've built get taken away by a group of fanatics that think America is some kind of unjust place to live. It's just wrong to fill young minds with this garbage and then expect things to get better... life just doesn't work that way.

[–] tvfan (9227) 6 months ago

In fact, the evidence is pretty strong that Floyd actually died from a drug overdose and city officials decided to cover it up and make it look like Floyd died from neck compression/asphyxia. I mean, what kind of shit is it that we get two autopsy reports with completely different results...

Basically; he was sacrificed for the sake of preventing more riots and chaos. Someone had to take the fall.

[–] stickman38 (3023) 6 months ago

Maybe so, that documentary certainly portrays it as such.

I just get tired of the race narratives from our media and places of higher learning. It's done a lot of damage to this nation.

[–] Rorikon (16614) 6 months ago

Whatever the case, at the end of the day, when I saw Floyd pissing himself and bleeding from the nose/mouth, I knew Chauvin was in the wrong and still nothing was done at that point. Nowadays the lesson learned from all this is that cops put you on your side once you're cuffed and secured.

[–] warrior-poet (1333) 6 months ago

Well said. And event more broadly than just the position of restraint (which I agree with), that cops remain vigilantly mindful of the medical condition of those they've got in custody, taking complaints of medical distress seriously, regardless of whether or not the subject might be faking it. They certainly shouldn't cavalierly be pinning someone to the ground who before he was even restrained was complaining about having trouble breathing. Could he have been lying? Of course. But clearly he wasn't in this case. His body was so damaged from drug abuse that even just mild distress (no more harmful than any activity in a high school wrestling match) proved to be fatal. Without knowing that history (and how would they?), cops need to remain wary of that possibility once someone is restrained and in custody. They are in the position of authority. It's our responsibility to comply (i.e. not resist, which complicates the situation for them). But it's their responsibility to take their position of authority seriously and not abuse it, even inadvertently.

In my view that's where Chauvin failed as a cop in this situation.
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[–] Information-Police (4266) 6 months ago

Why did the police need to restrain Floyd at all of he was ODing on fentanyl?

[–] tvfan (9227) 6 months ago

How were they to know that he was loaded on Fen?!

They were restraining him for been defiant and belligerent.

[–] Information-Police (4266) 6 months ago

If he was being defiant and belligerent, he wasn't od'ing on Fen. Ergo, he didn't die of fentanyl overdose.

[–] tvfan (9227) 6 months ago

It was both, ergo, he died from an OD.

[–] Information-Police (4266) 6 months ago

You obviously don't know anything about fentanyl and its effects on people

[–] tvfan (9227) 6 months ago

Is that knowledge based on your own personal experience as a fen addict?

[–] stickman38 (3023) 6 months ago

>>>Why did the police need to restrain Floyd at all of he was ODing on fentanyl?<<<

They restrained him because he was going nuts in the squad car. Floyd's ex-girlfriend was in Floyd's car and told him to stop resisting and a passer by told Floyd to calm down or he might give himself a heart attack.

And Floyd actually told the officers that he was NOT on drugs. But he did say that he had covid. So, that should have been a small hint that the officers needed to use better judgement once they had him down. But their reasons for taking him down were legitimate and the knee to the neck or maximum restraint tactic (MRT) was an approved tactic by Minneapolis police.

Even with this in mind, I still think this was a case of poor police work that resulted in a death. Chauvin was not trying to kill Floyd on purpose even though the video looks very suspicious but so many things went wrong here. And seriously, since he had a lethal dose of drugs in his system, he very well might have died regardless.

At the end of the day, there is no way the response to this should have been anywhere close to what happened. 2 billion in damage and 20+ dead. Nope, not worth that...

[–] Information-Police (4266) 6 months ago

Keeping to the OP, if he was going nuts in the squad car, he wasn't ODing on fentanyl and that couldn't have been the cause of his death.

The rioting is a separate issue.

[–] stickman38 (3023) 6 months ago

Floyd told them he wasn't on drugs. However, they suspected that he was probably having a medical problem or overdosing because of his erratic behavior and so they called for paramedics as soon as they had him on the ground.

Now, from what I understand, they can put suspects in the prone position if they think their experiencing a possible overdose.

So, again, Chauvin was following procedure. But whatever, I do think the officers could've handled it differently. It's just unfortunate that Floyd accidently died.

[–] Information-Police (4266) 6 months ago

He was murdered, he didn't die accidentally.

[–] stickman38 (3023) 6 months ago

So you think Chauvin was trying to kill Floyd?

[–] warrior-poet (1333) 6 months ago

That leans into my point. They failed at their duty in my view. He was acting erratically and resisting so restraining was reasonable. But he was also claiming various medical issues. Pinning him to the ground was unnecessary once restrained, and a step too far. It doesn't matter that doing so fell in line with established procedure. Chavin failed to exhibit either common sense or empathy.

Watching all the footage, Floyd was clearly in medical distress long before he was even restrained. They handled the situation woefully. Did they willfully murder him due to his race? No. Anyone who claims as much is delusional. Did they callously ignore even the possibility that without immediate medical attention he could experience a cardiac event, instead putting his heart under even more stress which undoubtedly exacerbated the situation and was probably what pushed his weakened heart over the line? Almost certainly.

Their actions contributed to his death, a.k.a. manslaughter. So did the actions of those in the ambulance, allegedly.
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[–] AmeriGirl26 (12636) 6 months ago

You forgot the part about the stupid judge who let Chauvin off the hook not once, but twice for police brutality charges. I'm not defending Floyd or anything, he was a disgusting human being who was the architect of his own demise, but part of this problem was caused by a negligent judge allowing Chauvin to keep being a police officer. I don't blame Chauvin for Floyd's death either, but he wasn't helping with keeping his knee on Floyd's neck. He and Floyd also had a history between them.

Not to mention that politicians used this entire incident as an excuse to start "the summer of love" and caused the summer of 2020 to become a shitstorm of looting, rioting, fires set (including the ones in northern CA, because I don't believe for a minute that any of that was natural), as well as showing that viruses apparently can tell the difference between people in lockdown and people who protest based on a lie.

I remember how suspicious the whole situation with the lockdowns was. Claims that it would only be for 3 weeks turned out to be lies, and the first lockdown was for three solid months! Then, as if by coincidence, when it seemed like the first lockdown was to be lifted, this suddenly happens, and the "summer of love" starts. Then two more lockdowns occurred after that, each one going longer and longer, and some new excuse to make another one happen. It's one of many reasons I'm pissed at the US govt. right now.

[–] warrior-poet (1333) 6 months ago

That's a terrific point. There is a pattern, a culture, of letting wayward cops slide in certain precincts.
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[–] OffTheBoatPsycho (675) 6 months ago

Apparently Chauvin has been stabbed in prison.

[–] Satan2016 (23756) 6 months ago

Now free to watch! https://moviechat.org/tt30022239/The-Fall-of-Minneapolis