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After all these years,I still don't know what to think about One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest..


It's a flawless movie. That's for sure.
Everything is perfect.

My biggest problem is character of Nurse Ratched. I watched OFOTCN first time back in 2005. Before watching I saw Nurse Ratched at most villain list and pretty high(like 5th place on AFI list).

That affect my viewing a lot. I expected some sort of serial killer shit.
During movie I wasn't impressed by Ratched's evil nature at all. Don't get me wrong,she is bitch who abuse her power. Still,I think she is overrated as villain.

Second problem,even bigger problem is character of R.P.McMurphy. Why is he considered as hero?? Even anti-hero is stretch. Christ like figure? Guy is a fucking RAPIST of 15 year old and CAREER CRIMINAL yet he is hero here?
Also many people will debate how he wanted to help these mentally ill people,I think it's also wrong. He wanted to dominate them. Through movie he always need to be in center of all happenings. He also abuse Harding through whole movie.

I don't know. Ratched is witch,no doubt. McMurphy isn't anything better.

What are your opinions?

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Lol, that's EXACTLY why I strongly dislike the movie. For some reason Ratched is vilified (she may be a bitch, but I partly get where she's coming from) and McMurphy is idolized (why, because he's a charmer? He's also a scumbag and a complete narcissist). I'm with ya.

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You are 100% right when you say that McMurphy and Nurse Ratched were exactly the same. The movie was never, ever on one character's side or the other. They were both the villains of the movie.

McMurphy and Nurse Ratched were engaged in a power struggle. What happened is that they each became so carried away that they wound up hurting the mental patients in the process.

For example, in the case of the blonde kid who kills himself (I forgot his name), he was too immature to handle sex and booze. Yet McMurphy encouraged him to party it up, out of this fantasy that all these mental patients needed was "fun" to get better. He refused to accept that they needed structure and had issues. Plus, he was irresponsible in his handling of the party. He had already seen what happens to the patients when they misbehave (shock treatment, abuse, etc.) but didn't seem to care that by throwing this farewell party, he was going to put them all in trouble. In fact, Milos Foreman makes it a point in one key scene to show how irresponsible and careless McMurphy is. McMurphy was going to leave the patients in the lurch after the party but then changed his mind.

Nurse Ratched, to get back at McMurphy--who kept undermining her authority--got carried away with trying to reassert herself, which is why she started shaming the kid. It wasn't about wanting to shame the kid but to reestablish herself as the one in control in the face of McMurphy.

So, you are right about your feelings. The reason why the movie has been so badly misinterpreted is generational attitudes and misogyny. At the time, being anti-establishment was all the rage among young audiences of the 1970s, so everyone watching this movie immediately identified with McMurphy. And the reason why they latched onto her as a villain is sexism. I say that because when you get down to it, the worst moments of brutality were carried out by the male orderlies and doctors. We saw countless scenes of them abusing the crap out of the patients as they were begging and screaming in fear but for some reason, Nurse Ratched--whose only crime was being cold and carrying out their orders--is seen as the ultimate villain of the movie.

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I think the movie is better than the book, more nuanced.

The book is an interesting read and has some great language and imagery, but it really is the work of an imnature mind. It's very much about male vs. female, with McMurphy and Ratched representing their sexes, and McMurphy is presented as rampant, uninhibited, uncontrollable, a walking Id that will fight or fuck anything. The Female personified by Ratched is controlling, repressive, joyless, stifling, and deserving of the beatdown she gets. The author's sympathies are entirely with the anarchic McMurphy, and it made me feel the deepest sympathy for any woman ever involved with Ken Kesey.

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I didn't read the book, but I figured as much. That book was written at a time when people were beginning to mindlessly lashing out at the establishment and seeing anyone who did as "cool," regardless of whether they were in the right or not. I think Milos Foreman realized how ridiculous this was and tried adding nuance in his adaptation.

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Yeah, pretty much. But in a very well-written way.

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Rape? She wanted it . And looked older. Didn't she also say she was older? I am not sure about that anymore, been a while since I saw it.

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I believe you're right. She lied about her age, looked older and consented.

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I put the film in the same basket as ' Bonnie and Clyde ' both great movies but I only ever watched them once. I don't find seeing people on their worst behaviour all that entertaining.

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I'm going to watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest tonight on DVD and I agree, Nurse Ratched was a read bitch!

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After years of not re-watching this movie, I don't remember all the little details.
But I have read some interesting comments on the Internet, so I want to address them.

Nurse Ratched is very much a divisive character, who is considered to a be a monster by some people.
But others will feel more like you do, that she's not that bad after all or that she's just doing her job.
Recently, I happened to come across an interesting opinion though.
That it's true that she's a monster, but she found a way to hide her evil nature behind a facade of propriety.
Which is why even some viewers miss what she really is.

McMurphy is very much an anti-hero figure and hardly supposed to be mentally stable.
Some people have pointed out though that sleeping with a teenager was seen as less heinous back then than it is now.
Then again, he has clearly behaved badly enough even by the standards of the time to become institutionalized.
And that is also important to remember...

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Teenage girl was showing him her beaver so maybe it is wrong but she not innocent

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RP is definitely a hero.... He uplifts all the others, lets them know they aren't worthless, and they become men. Conformists won't like him, but I hate conformity.

Nurse Wretched on the other hand is a cunt.

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