A very special message to Kevin Spacey
You'll never work in this town again.
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If I'm right, he might make a comeback after a few years.
After he goes to rehab, and does charity work that's "accidentally" photographed, and gives contrite interviews, and marries some poor nice guy who doesn't know what he's getting into, and testifies before congress about how to protect workers from people like himself... and he reminds all the creeps in Hollywood who weren't touched by the scandal of what he knows about them.
So yeah. he might act again.
hmm. to quote spacey in Superman Returns...'I don't. think so..'
shareRoman Polanski (rape of a 13 year old girl and maybe at least two others)is still making movies. Victor salva (rape of a 12 year old boy. Video of him raping the boy and countless pictures of child porn) is still making movies.
In a 1999 interview, Salva told San Jose Mercury News that, “I think [studio execs] saying, ‘He’ll never work again’ was all for show. My God, if they were to take the [arrest] records of every filmmaker or actor, they’d have to shut this town down… Let’s face it, anybody can work here who makes money.”
Spacey is nothing like these scum. Still have doubts he can make a come back?
Maybe but the ones you mentioned were film directors (know Spacey has directed but nothing really notable like Mel Gibson ..he's predominately an actor) and in case of Polanski a revered director who actors seem to want to be in his films. also when Polanski makes new movie he's not on screen starring in it so its easier for the audience to detach from him and his image as he's just a name on the credits..with spacey he's there on screen in front of the audience who will be like 'omg look its spacey!' 'holy crap he's back in films!?' 'Wow Hollywood will forgive even that dude!'
Another thing to consider is he's been caught up in this current #RoseArmy #Metoo Weinstein thing (its the reason he's been exposed) so anyone 'outed' in the wake of Weinstein may find it difficult/impossible to make a comeback (where as Polanski has been known for decades to the public/media etc). I mean surely theres absolute zero chance of Weinstein coming back right? (or is there?) and spacey was like the next big name to be exposed.. also he really pissed off the entire gay community with his response tweet so theres that too..
maybe a director or someone will give him a supporting role to test the waters/bring publicity I dunno (its not like he was not that famous he's a big star so will maybe still have name value?)..or maybe he will fund and direct a movie he wants to do (maybe he will direct more now?)
There is no indication that he actually raped anyone...and, no..I'm not saying that his alleged aggressive sexual predatory behavior should get a pass...nor his salacious interest in teenagers (maybe the whole of Hollywood should not get a pass on this one)...but I still find rape a far more serious crime.
Maybe KS is the biggest douche in the world but he shouldn't be condemned for the same crimes as Weinstein just because it falls under the same net.
Maybe he'll work again in about a decade...But maybe not. He'll never be revered or respected as he once was. If he has the funds he'd be better off just retiring forever and going his own way into the great yonder...There's no coming back from this. Not really.
Once you're marked, you're marked forever.
And this is one of the biggest reasons I, and some others, attempted to reserve judgement on the media frenzy. There's so many lies that pour out of the media these days that it makes sense to wait and see.and not jump on every bandwagon..
You are a rape apologist and it's obvious why you are defending a guy who has admitted he tried to rape a 14 year old boy. You need help.
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There was no rape unless there's some new definition that has eluded me... and I do know the difference having been a true victim at the age of 13. And I knew a number of older men that were far too aggressive toward me all through my teens. I'm familiar..personally.
And this from a shy quiet girl that did not ever dress or act overtly sexual.
But another thing I've learned along the way is that the media is a cesspool and that people, in general, can sometimes have their own brand of reality or they can embellish or twist the truth or can just lie..... and I do reserve judgement.
You don't even know me and thought you knew something..so there you go.
If you were able to concentrate a little better when you read my words than you might realize I've come to see his behavior as predatory and not ok. No need to call it something that it wasn't though.
As snarky and unpleasant as you can be then you should be more than aware of the negative power of instant judgement.
Oh so you were a TRUE victim but those saying Spacey raped them were not? Odd that you claim you were raped (which is bullshit and we both know it) yet you are sympathetic to a rapist. Nice try attempting to backtrack but you already said you doubted the victims. Sick freaks like you are the reason so few victims come forward.
You should be ashamed but I know you are not.
You're not just a troll, you're a psychopath. As others have said there's no accusations of rape.
shareActually the original allegation would be rape simply because Rapp was only 14 year old when it happened. In New York a person under the age of 17 cannot consent to sexual intercourse so it is statutory rape, plain and simple. Making it a more difficult problem for Spacey to ever come back is that he has not denied the allegation if anything he simply tried to justify them as the behavior of a closeted drunk gay man. No, I would say he is pretty much the Fatty Arbuckle of this generation.
shareThere was no sexual intercourse with Rapp. So no, still not rape.
shareBut other underage boys are claiming rape, and Rapp's claim gives their claim a lot more weight. So yes he apparently didn't penetrate Rapp, though not from a lack of trying... but did penetrate other underage boys. Rape and attempted rape are should be enough to be enough for anyone to be done with him.
shareAnd YOU need to get your facts straight, Pankoeken. There is NO EVIDENCE he tried to RAPE Rapp
(do you even know the meaning of the word???). What Rapp described is pretty gross, but all
Spacey did was climb on top of him, and Rapp had to "squirm" away, go into the bathroom, then emerge
and say he had to leave. He stated Spacey asked if he was sure he wanted to leave, then showed him
out.
Guess what. That's NOT rape. It's not even attempted rape.
Would Spacey have enjoyed orally servicing Rapp? Probably. Would he have enjoyed anal sex?
probably. But Spacey didn't overpower Rapp, and Rapp didn't have to fight for his safety. He
just announced he was leaving.
I am in no way defending what Spacey DID do, nor do I believe it was the only time. But the facts
are the facts. And, so far, rape isn't among them.
Educate yourself before blasting reasonable posts and stating things you know little or nothing
about.
You are sympathetic to predators that prey on kids. I'm not. Now pull spacey's cock out of your mouth and make excuses for why it was okay to rape the other FOURTEEN KIDS. FOURTEEN KIDS so far I might add.
Get help you pedo enabling sack of garbage.
According to Samantha Geimer there was no rape..... Oh wait, only when she has a book to sell. For almost 40 years up until that book was written did she call it rape. Up until that time she defined it as "He never hurt me...." and "People should keep their comments to themselves....." Considering too on her Twitter feed she congratulated a Polanski fan of for receiving his autographed photo of Polanski from "Fearless Vampire Killers" then said, "That's my favorite film of all time....." Says a lot.
It's so surprising that mere allegation alone is enough to string someone up and burn them. In my day and age there had to be concrete proof, not a pitchfork brigade ready to hunt the person down and burn them.
<< It's so surprising that mere allegation alone is enough to string someone up and burn them. In my day and age there had to be concrete proof, not a pitchfork brigade ready to hunt the person down and burn them. >>
No one is hunting anyone down with pitchforks. As far as I know, the acussed in all these news stories are quite alive.
The public has ALWAYS had reactions to news stories. There are just more immediate platforms for them to voice their opinions now.
It's interesting you're claiming the past was more apt to withhold judgment on scandals... When in fact there was much more "vigilante justice" in days gone by than NOW.
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So if she was 3 at the time and said yes it wouldn’t be rape either?
Look at this from her point of view. For 40 years she’s been hounded as the victim of a rape by a heralded director. He’s never faced his punishment for he did, and this that and the other media outlet brings it up constantly and has done for 4 decades. She wants it to end, and says things like he didn’t do it, or just let him off with it etc etc.
He admitted it so he did it, end of script.
Look at this from her point of view. For 40 years she’s been hounded as the victim of a rape by a heralded director. He’s never faced his punishment for he did, and this that and the other media outlet brings it up constantly and has done for 4 decades. She wants it to end, and says things like he didn’t do it, or just let him off with it etc etc.[/quote]
She has not been hounded as a "rape victim" because there was no rape. He did face is punishment with the 42 days in prison as per the plea agreement. I'll repeat the statute at the time did not include imprisonment of anyone and only a fine. However, of all the 44 men convicted of the same crime of one count of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor from both 1976 and 1977, only one spent any time in a state penitentiary. That man was Roman Polanski. I'll also reiterate that in her book Samantha Geimer admitted to having slept with at least three men over the age of 18 by the time she was 16. Those men were never charged. One man had sex with Geimer before Polanski. That man's name is Steve Kronblet. Kronblet by Geimer's own admission was 18 at the time she had full blown sex on her own back porch three weeks before Polanski. He was never charged with having had sex with Geimer. The next person Geimer had sex with was three weeks after Polanski. That man's name was Todd. Todd was 21 at the time Geimer had sex with him. Todd was not charged. Point here is that the prosecution of Polanski was selective. Ergo: He was not American.
[quote]He admitted it so he did it, end of script.
He admitted to having had sex with a willing participant. That willing participant has been actively campaigning for Polanski's exoneration for the last ten to fifteen years. Doesn't sound like a rape victim to me. share
She was 13. She had no say in the matter. She was drugged. She had no say in the matter.
And Ill direct you to what Ive already said. Shes the girl that was raped by the famous director. Wouldnt you say and do anything to end that?
And what exactly do you know about rape victims? Met a lot have we? Do they all follow the same rules of victimhood? Maybe you should just stop defending a man who drugged and ass raped a 13 year old girl.
Actually I just noticed that you continued to defend him by blaming the victim because she had sex with other people. Just because they were charged doesnt mean anything.
Stop defending a kid rapist ffs.
FACT: She'd had sex with at least six other men when she was between the ages of 12-16 who were over the age of 18.
Question: Was it rape with them?
FACT: She was not drugged. She said in her grand jury hearing that SHE took the quarter tab of the Quaalude. It was not offered. She took it. She had prior experience with Quaaludes including having them lying casually around her house due to her mother's boyfriend being into the drug business. Her own sister had been in and out of rehab for Quaalude addiction. She said she took them quite frequently because of their availability at home.
Question: Is her mother remiss about having drugs lying casually around the house and why is Polanski centered out for "drugging" her when her mother pretty much had them around her since she was born?
FACT: I'll direct you to what she has said, "He never hurt me..... The experience going through the legal aspects of the case were far worse than anything Polanski could ever have done." And this one: "It's not right for people to want you to be hurt worse because they want you to be....."
Question: Are you not forcing your views on her because of your bias and or wish that she be hurt worse than she feels she was?
FACT: What do I know about rape victims? I am a victim of rape. I was raped when I was 13, the same year the Polanski/Geimer event happened. As for defending a man who has not only been vilified by people like you and the red press who seem to want to conflate the events to suit their narrative, but I have all the court records of the case. I have all reports four of the COURT APPOINTED SPECIALISTS who interviewed Polanski and the family of Geimer as well as Geimer and who all concluded they felt a "sense of permissiveness within the house of the minor" and they all felt that Polanski was not as you see him. Maybe you should stop listening to the mainstream press who has an agenda and actually do some work on your own for once. It's called RESEARCH. Since you won't do it, read next post......
I'll provide you some links to get you started:
http://polanski-oddmanout.blogspot.ca/
https://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/category/roman-polanski/
To let you know, in the forensic examination done on Samantha Geimer at approximately 11:34 PM, 10 March, 1977 at Parkwood Hospital that night by Dr. Richard Larson, he found nothing to denote rape or forceful sex. No hematomas, no bruising, no blood, no saliva, no sperm. He observed no signs of intoxication, no signs of stress or trauma on the person he marked as ADULT FEMALE on the examination record. In the slides and swabs that were examined by the forensic tech Lee Mann, Mann found no saliva, no blood, no fluids of any kind that were not hers. Meaning: Nothing of Polanski was found in, on, or around her. Ergo: Nothing showing intercourse and nothing showing rape.
I would hope you would have the same feeling as I do about EQUAL JUSTICE FOR ALL. Aparently that's a concept that eludes you. It seems that those other AMERICAN guys who had sex with her are innocent as the pure driven snow and the only one who committed a crime was one Polish-French born film director who apparently is nothing but a pervert hiding under a bridge. I see your bias and I see how you don't care about JUSTICE BEING BLIND or that the judge in the case committed judicial jurisprudence in how he handled the case. Considering I'm a pre-law student I tend to take judges committing crimes a little more seriously than you apparently do.
Never mind, I see you'll never see things as they were only as your self-righteousness sees it. As a rape victim myself, I am apalled when rape is trivialized. I also take it when Samantha Geimer wishes to the see the case closed not because she's "tired of dealing with it as a victim" but because she knows what happened and wants to be able to have her cake and eat it too. Namely, to be able to continue to be connected to Polanski via a one-night-stand that has gone on for 40 years.
13 makes it rape. Thats the end of the conversation. Yes, those six others were also rape.
Maybe, you should stop making my arugments for me? You give a 13 year old girl drugs and fuck her in the arse, youre piece of shit rapist. Get it? Got it? Good, now fuck off.
You obviously didn't read what I said about the probation report and the psychiatric report created by the COURT APPOINTED specialists. Both said, "There is a certain permissiveness within the home...." They explicitly said that what happened was directly related to that permissiveness. Ergo: The girl was allowed to her own devices. You also didn't understand that the drugs were not fed to her, SHE took them. Polanski did not shove the quarter tab of Quaalude down her throat. I consulted a friend who is a pharmacist and he said what she took wasn't even enough to cause a buzz. According to the forensic examination of her and the slides and swabs taken off of her body they showed ZERO evidence of any sort of intercourse. Now if you want to continue to question the court record, then you're very welcome to write to the current prosecutor and challenge that, but it still doesn't make you any righter. No anal intercourse took place as according to Dr. Richard Larson her anus was in PRISTINE condition. No distension and no blood as there would be without proper lubrication.
So now I've educated you once again, go ahead and keep getting frustrated to the point you're chewing off your own foot to get out of the trap. I will never see it your way because that was not what happened. That is your own sick and distorted thought that is conjuring all of that. Can't have sodomy when evidence of sodomy is not present nor proven. I'll continue to state that as like I mentioned before, I HAVE ALL THE COURT DOCUMENTS. And to reiterate her grand jury testimony was not subject to cross examination because the grand jury is the prosecutor's star chamber where he gets to present his case regardless if he has proof of the indictments he is seeking. The defendant and the attorney for the defendant are not allowed in that hearing and the attorney for the defendant is not allowed to challenge the prosecutor's case. Get it? Got it? Now go and learn how to read again because you certainly haven't understood anything I've said to you regarding the irrefutable proof there was no anal sex and she was not drugged.
My god you're like an idiot. "Please, oh please, oh please let there be anal sex......" And again I'll note what Samantha Geimer herself has said, "He never hurt me" and "It's not nice for you to want me to be hurt more than what happened...." Ergo, consensual sex. She wants to be able to call it what it was, her having a dalliance with a famous director who she follows on Twitter. You get that don't you. She follows Polanski on Twitter. What rape victim follows their rapist on Twitter?!!!!!
lol the 13 year old girl was asking for it? That does seem to be a running theme with child molesters "the girl/boy was coming on to me!". You are a sick fucking pedo lover. If theres a hell, I hope theres a special place in it for scum like you.
shareWhere did you read that I said the 13 year old girl was asking for it? You're an incredibly dull tool in that I told you I have the documents in the case. The FORENSIC report stated NO FLUIDS. Physical examination done by Dr. Richard Larson at Parkwood Hospital at 11:34 PM that night concluded no rape, no intercourse, no anal rape. I'm sorry pal but in my book I need proof before I'm willing to make that blanket indictment. The EVIDENCE does not concur with what she said happened. If there is actual justice in the legal system, I hope you are never ever convicted of a crime you did not commit. In that case I'd be saying the same thing about you that I have about Polanski. And so nice all you low IQ types resort to calling those of us who support the RULE OF LAW pedos or pedo lovers. So nice you can have a conversation about FACTS and provable facts without hurling those invectives.
shareSo you support the rule of law, but fucking a 13 year old girl in the ass after you drugged her is ok? You seem really desperate to convince me of your bullshit argument. Something in that that I don’t care to find out. At this point your nothing but sick twisted fuck who moves the goal posts when you get caught out on your tweisted thinking.
The rule of law says you don’t fuck 13 year olds! There’s no ifs ands or buts. It’s just a straight no. It was a straight no then and it’s a straight no now. And you don’t drug and fuck anyone regardless of what age they are!
Just admit it, you’re sick twisted little troll. Next you’ll be telling us that winestein didn’t do anything wrong either! Saville was due a bit of kiddy love for all his charity work, and selling with directors is just how Hollywood works, so that 12 year boy should just have sucked it up when victor gave him a part in his movie. You’re pure scum. Don’t know why you’re even bothering replying again and again with your BS. He’s a pedo, you’re a scumbag pedo lover and that’s all there is to it.
If you're so against "fucking 13 year olds" then you should go onto David Bowie's board and Jimmy Page's and issue your spleen on them. They shared a woman by the name of Lori Mattix who actively hung out on the Sunset Strip back in 1972-77 in order to hook rock gods. She said that Bowie took her virginity when she was 14, then took up with Page for the next ten years. So long as there'e money and fame to be had, it's perfectly fine.
You seriously need to check your idiocy there pal. Why? You seem to think it's perfectly fine to spew the crap you do without proof. You keep saying there was anal sex, however, I prove with evidence there was no anal sex yet you continue to spew. I prove through evidence there were no drugs, you continue to spew. And this is what is wrong in this world. Those people like you who seem to think you're entitled to spew.
As for what I feel about Weinstein and Saville..... We need now wait for it ..... EVIDENCE! Not innuendo and certainly not a bunch of women (cough*snowflakes*cough) who want to be taken seriously when their statements reek of falseness. All I have to say to these women is instead of speaking out then, you just set up your sisters to endure abuse. It's called taking personal responsibility. I'm not one of those women who want to universally hang men for all womenkind without giving them the chance to defend themselves. It's called RULE OF LAW and INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Not guilty at all costs.
Your accusing me of being a pedo or a pedo lover proves you cannot support any of your comments with supporting arguments. You spew straw man arguments like they're fact. They're not. They're weak and innocuous.
Please again tell me how anal sex happens and the anus is in pristine condition as reported by a doctor? Please again tell me how anal sex happens without lubrication and preparation and it remains in tact and shows no signs of penetration? If you refuse to answer then that shows you cannot grasp what EVIDENCE is and that the only thing you're interested in is the salaciousness of the topic and not the RULE OF LAW that requires a different standard than the shit you spew. Please tell me how someone is supposed to be drugged when the amount of the drug taken is not enough to incapacitate? Please tell me how someone is supposed to be raped when there is not one mark on her and not one speck of fluid on her body from the "rapist"?
To let you know in the grand jury hearing with Geimer, she was asked:
Q: Did you shower?
A: No.
Q: Did you bathe?
A: No.
Q: Did you douche?
A: No.
Q: Did you use an enema?
A: No.
So if she didn't shower, bathe, use an enema or douche, how is it she was perfectly clean when she was examined and that not one speck of Polanski could be found on her body? So in effect she perjured herself on the stand under oath. That is a crime. Her mother lied and perjured herself. It always astounds me how people like you are only concerned about the supposed act, but not with the perjury committed by those wanting nothing more than a fast payout!
Shocking. As for the ALLEGATIONS against Spacey, that's all they were/are ALLEGATIONS. Didn't know allegations were in point fact. As for Saville, I don't know enough about his case to state with all fact on whether he was guilty or innocent. Didn't know he had a trial to prove guilt or innocence. Guilty by virtue of mob rule is not law. It is wrong and unconstitutional. And I'd say that about anyone on either side of the political fence who is accused. Someone without a legal background would not understand that and think the way you do.
Blah blah blah pedo lover!
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Good point, but that scumbag Polanski is still living abroad to avoid prosecution.
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Didn't know Polanski was "living abroad". I thought he was living in his country of birth. As for the level of "scumbaggery" you accuse Polanski of, looks like Samantha Geimer doesn't think the same as you. She apparently follows him on Twitter and supports anyone who says nice things about Polanski. So I guess of I or anyone else follows Polanski are considered "scumbags" in your view. You should also lump Samantha Geimer into that scumbag moniker as well? Feel free if you must call her a scumbag. She supports his total exoneration and wants all the charges against him dropped. In fact she never wanted any charges filed and was mad at her mother for making it an issue. So please feel free to call her a scumbag. And Polanski never escaped justice, he escaped injustice by that of a judge who saw nothing against committing judicial misconduct time and time again in order to adjudicate his cases.
Good article here on Judge Rittenband and the Polanski case by someone who knows more information than you do:
https://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/category/roman-polanski/
Like most you likely won't go there and read what Mr. Brenneman has to say because you already have your mind made up. Sheeple. Gotta love 'em, no one else will.
Blah blah blah you’re a sick fuck
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He IS living abroad since he was living here. Simple concept, prometheus. I just googled him, and he was described as:
"Polish-French Film Director, producer, writer, actor, rapist." So yeah, scumbag.
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He'll be Back.
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I hope not. I hope he rots in jail, and then descends into poverty and infamy.
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Jail? Unlikely but then things have gotten so off the wall crazy since Weinstein all bets are off so who knows (Weinstein is looking possible he might be in serious trouble in regards to courts, criminal cases etc)
Poverty? - do you know how much $$$ films stars like him actually make. Its obscene. Ok new earnings are going to cease now but he probably owns 5 houses and multimillions in various banks, art, classic cars etc plus constant income from royalties/residuals. So think he be ok
Infamy? Ok yes i'll give you that one
You'r probably right about the poverty part. I'm sure that scumbag has money squirreled away all over the place, including off shore accounts. As to the infamy, he's there already. As to prison, we can only hope. I so look forward to seeing a photo of him in an orange jumpsuit.
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Amen! Hopefully because he'll be in an orange jumpsuit.
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