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We Were Lied To

posted 6 months ago by warrior-poet (1333)
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https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

Much of this was known back then, but not amalgamated in this way. And even after viewing this, including the original unmanipulated corner's report (that shows no physical damage or signs of neck trauma, but does show a dangerous dose of fentanyl and a serious heart condition), extended bodycam footage, and even now with it revealed that the cops called in medical assistance within a minute of Floyd being put on the ground, etc., I still maintain that Chauvin and the others were guilty of negligence. Sitting on him while he claimed medical distress, even if he was faking it, was still negligence in my view, even if it was sanctioned procedure. But it also was NOT murder. To a certain extent Chauvin was railroaded by politics. He also in part brought it onto himself with his own actions. So did Floyd.

The real story here isn't Floyd and Chauvin, however. It's the behavior of those who reacted to it.

Update: my ultimate point here in case it wasn't clear is that as usual we have two sides stuck in a prison of two ideas. One side wants to put the blame entirely on Floyd, the other side entirely on Chauvin. But the truth is that both are to blame. I'd say about 70/30.

It's a Rorschach test for the state of our modern society. And every one of you failed it.
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[–] moviechatterer (13558) 6 months ago

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/alpha-news/

Reasoning: Poor Sourcing, Conspiracy Theories, Anti-Islam, Lack of Transparency
Bias Rating: FAR RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW

[–] raymondoz2007 (2069) 6 months ago

Floyd was a racist and killer and rapist.

[–] moviechatterer (13558) 6 months ago

I not denying that.

The issue with the whole deal was how he was handled by the police regardless of how much of a total scumbag he was .

Thinking its ok because he was scum is a "biased view" , which is what the little movie in the OP is all about.

I'm glad it happened to him rather than an upstanding citizen - but thats the point , if the police are going to behave like that how long before an innocent person is accidentally beaten to death?

[–] atd8vii (592) 6 months ago

I think the main contention was that Chauvin was using the MRT and that it WAS an approved technique listed in the manual.

However, if they’re trying to sweep it under the rug and pretend like Chauvin was a complete racist renegade then he has a case against the state. Not to mention, an independent autopsy would only have been performed to give Crump and his cronies the answers they were looking for. Corruption all round.

[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 6 months ago

Agreed.
Just rereading the complete thread.
As many others, I was unaware of that new docu and was shocked by the many facts it revealed...which were also not mentioned in our media. ☻
Until then I thought too, that Chauvin did wrong in his job as a policeman, caused the death of Floyd and deserved to be convicted.
This new docu completely changed my mind.

Some people may still not know that the OP's link goes to a site, where you can watch the new docu for free and in best quality, so here it's highlighted:

The Fall of Minneapolis - The Truth of George Floyd's death and the 2020 Riots
https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/ (Docu video 102 mins)
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[–] SolarisPatchwork (215) 6 months ago

I watched the documentary and everything in it is factual and backed up by primary source video.

MediaBiasFactCheck.com rating: FAR LEFT
Factual Reporting: MARGINAL

[–] retieredactor (621) 6 months ago

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1726643683171430710?s=20

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

It's no Rorschach test, it has been proven by the autopsy. Floyd would be dead even with no restraints, even if the cops attempted to give him cpr in those 2 minutes after he died. So all this focus on constricting his air supply was nonsense, the media uses emotive images to manipulate people, they focused on the knee to the back of the neck because people see that image and are immediately empathetic without knowing the guy was on a massive concoction of drugs and dangerous to everyone around him.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Show us the data you looked at? Who can survive when a person kneels on their back and keeps their knee there for more than two minutes after a pulse cannot be found.

I think you're ignoring the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's back for two minutes after a pulse could not be found.

ETA; changed post to read, "kept his knee on Floyd's back for two minutes after a pulse could not be found".

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

TWO WHOLE MINUTES!!!! HE KNEELED ON HIS BACK FOR TWO MINUTES EVERYBODY!!!

Just wanted to make sure everyone could read that clearly because it is such an important point.

Everyone can survive another person kneeling on the back of their neck because the throat and arteries run along the front of the neck which is protected by the spine and a bunch of muscles. It is why the restraint is taught in the first place. I've had people kneel on the back of my neck and survived, that is my data. Floyd was a giant compared to those cops and they were intimidated by his size and thus wanted to keep control of the situation if he went into an excited delirium state or just went nuts.
Your argument has now devolved to 2 minutes and another cops expertise at finding pulses during a chaotic situation.

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

All Chauvin had to do was get off of Floyd who was handcuffed and subdued then call for medical assistance. Then Floyd might be alive but Chauvin would not be in prison. Everything else you posted is pure nonsense.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

Chavin has also used that position on other suspects without resulting in their death.

The autopsy has already determined and proven that "no life-threatening injuries identified."
The career criminal and junkie died from an overdose by circumstances that he created from his belligerence and defiance.

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

All Chauvin had to do was get off of Floyd who was handcuffed and subdued then call for medical assistance. Then Floyd might be alive but Chauvin would not be in prison. Do you hear that? It's everyone including your inbred family laughing at you! 🤣

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Big deal. Did he kneel on them for two minutes after no pulse could be found?

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

But they didn't die.

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

But Floyd did die because he was murdered by Chauvin. That's why Chauvin will spend most of the rest of his life in prison. Nothing else matters.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Who are these other suspects that he knelt on but did not kill? Did he wait until they had no pulse then stay on top for a while after? If not, why?

Why do you think Chauvin knelt on Floyd's corpse for two minutes before allowing the EMT's to teat him?

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

They didn't die from kneeling on them and Floyd died from an OD that occurred during his arrest.

From the second page of the autopsy report:

III. No life-threatening injuries identified

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

You are wasting your time on robo and Ranb, they might be the same person and regardless of what argument you present to them they will tell you Floyd was murdered by someone kneeling on his back for 120 seconds too long because he was such a fragile man. On the other hand he was superhuman because the lethal doses of drugs he was on couldn't harm him.

They know their arguments are nonsense and are just trying to keep the narrative from being replaced by reality.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Really? How long do you think you will last if a person kneels on you for two minutes after you have no pulse? Remember, no pulse, no life. No one is that tough.

The drug level in Floyd was not 100% fatal. Why is it that nearly everyone else understands that addicts can build up a tolerance for certain drugs which allows them to have a higher content in their system that is not fatal. You are stubbornly resisting to learn about how drugs can affect a person. Why?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact-check-fentanyl-george-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/medical-examiner-george-floyd-fentanyl-system
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7732170/

When concomitant drugs were present, the mean (range) blood concentration were 0.017 (0.005–0.051) µg/mL. As aforementioned, this could have resulted from an increased tolerance to the opioid from chronic drug abuse.

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

Ok this has reached the point of absurdity, if he took his knee off him 2 minutes earlier Floyd's pulse would return? Is that your contention?

"The drug level in Floyd was not 100% fatal."
Apparently it was to him, blocked arteries and a bad heart plus a lethal dose of drugs. Much more dangerous than a common restraint taught to cops.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

No, the pulse might not return, but they could have given him CPR on the street instead of waiting even longer to do it in the ambulance. Did you not watch any of the videos at all?

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

So now he died because they didnt give him cpr and ingest whatever drugs he was on or diseases he had. Right, got it.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Why not watch the videos and read the reports instead of making up random crap?

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

You're ignoring the first page.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

I read it and none of that resulted in his death, confirmed by the second page that also includes a list of drugs found in his system by which he OD.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

What did you read? Was it this? https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

HENNEPIN COUNTY
MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE
AUTOPSY REPORT
ME NO.: 20-3700
CASE TITLE: CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT
SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION

The second page of the report does show drugs levels, but does not claim Floyd overdosed. 11ng/mL is not always fatal, especially in chronic abusers. In other words, you are lying.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

You are an illiterate or can't deduce when they clearly stated that no No life-threatening injuries identified.

Floyd was well over the fatality threshold.

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

“Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.”

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl_en#:~:text=Blood%20concentrations%20of%20approximately%207,poly%2Dsubstance%20use%20was%20involved

According to the deposition of a former Hennepin County prosecutor, the county’s medical examiner told her in a phone call that there "were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation."

https://alphanews.org/court-docs-reveal-extreme-public-pressure-on-prosecutors-in-george-floyd-case/

In other words, you are an imbecile.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

What do you think that tox screen means? They don't claim it killed him.

They do claim his cardiac arrest was due to restraint and neck compression though.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

You are still an imbecile.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

You're the one who doesn't know what the tox screen means. Good luck with that.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

You don't have common sense and don't know how to deduce. Good luck with that.

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

You say common sense, I say read the medical examiner's report.

[–] Burk48917 (11048) 6 months ago

He's not a doctor. Checking for signs of life aren't part of his qualifications. He's there to stop criminals, and use necessary force when they resist arrest, and he did. His arrest was to placate the typical angry black mob that occurs anytime anything bothers them, and they proceed to destroy property and rape and murder people.

[–] Lord Rake (3869) 6 months ago

"But he had his knee on the corpse 2 minutes after the other cop failed to find a pulse and if he had taken the knee off then the corpses heart would have started again and he would have come back to life and done wonderful things for his community."

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

LOL 🤣

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

[–] Burk48917 (10405) 7 hours ago
His arrest was to placate the typical angry black mob that occurs anytime anything bothers them, and they proceed to destroy property and rape and murder people.

Your hyperbole is unimpressive. You seem to be claiming that property destruction, rape and murder occur anytime a group of black people are bothered.

It is obvious to the most casual observer that you're lying when you claim this.

[–] Burk48917 (11048) 6 months ago

homosayswhat?

[–] Ranb (7403) 6 months ago

Chauvin continued to kneel on Floyd for two minutes after they could not find a pulse. Or nine minutes in total.

It seems that you are not familiar with the events of that day at all.

The police at the scene did not have to be intimidated by Floyd, all they needed to do was shut the door of the vehicle they put him in. But instead they pulled him back out so Chauvin could kneel on him for nine minutes, two of those minutes after he passed out and they could not find a pulse.

How is a perp with so called "excited delirium" going to be a threat when his hands are cuffed behind his back and he has no pulse?

So tell me what Chauvin had to gain by kneeling on a corpse for two minutes?

[–] atd8vii (592) 6 months ago

I totally agree about the negligence part. While I don’t believe the knee on the neck was fatal, I do believe that 3 180 pound guys lying on top of you would definitely knock the wind out of your sail no matter what. Combined with Floyd’s breathing difficulties from his OD, he was no doubt gonna have a hard time trying to suck in the breaths.

I may be Monday morning QB’ing here but could they not have just released him a little since he was already handcuffed and on the ground?

“To a certain extent Chauvin was railroaded by politics. He also in part brought it onto himself with his own actions.”

A certain extent is an understatement, he was basically hung out to dry by everyone, especially his own police department. Even though the mob, politicians and general public wanted to cut his dick off and shove it up his ass, he still had a right to a fair hearing and if they were suppressing evidence that would have went in his favour then that constitutes his right to another trial.

Of course he won’t get one because a bloodthirsty and ravenous mob will on standby to “wile’ out” if the result doesn’t go their way.

[–] tvfan (8769) 6 months ago

There is no ratio in that case, regardless of the centrist position that some want to take, it was clear from the beginning and it has now been confirmed.

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 6 months ago

Sorry, in this tvfan is correct.
The cops called for medical assistance even before Floyd was "subdued".
And Floyd did NOT die because he "couldn't breathe".
As said in the other thread...watch the new docu, please.
https://moviechat.org/tt30022239/The-Fall-of-Minneapolis/656183964407527f73b4a39e/On-YouTube-in-HD

It shocked me too how many facts weren't allowed at court. ☻

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

Honestly, I don't care enough about Chauvin to waste my time watching a documentary about him. My point stands. Chauvin was convicted for murdering Floyd and he pleaded guilty to violating Floyd's civil rights in federal court. Chauvin is going nowhere. Even the Supreme Court doesn't want anything to do with Chauvin. I know it saddens you because for some reason you worship him. I don't get it.

[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 6 months ago

I don't "worship" Chauvin...what a cheap nonsense to say that.

I like truth and justice!
Apparently YOU've problems with truth and justice.
Discussing for hours, but unwilling to watch a new 102 mins docu. ☻

[–] robocat893 (13754) 6 months ago

*yawn* I just don't care. I like truth and justice too and that has nothing to do with Chauvin.
He is where he belongs and I'm good with that. Everything else is just noise. All your sniveling doesn't help anybody especially convicted murderers like Chauvin. Since you love Chauvin maybe you could put some money on his books so he can buy some ramen when he gets out of the hospital.

[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 6 months ago

Yah, you don't care.
And agreed!...alleged "sniveling" and alleged "love" won't help.
As your gross gloating doesn't help.

I'll do something else under the radar...of course nothing illegal. 😙

[–] strntz (10968) 6 months ago

But the truth is that both are to blame. I'd say about 70/30.

Assigning percentages doesn't really help.

We could say if Floyd hadn't resisted earlier, then he would have never been put to the ground. That's true. If it was me, I'd still be alive because I would obey orders from the police.

So it's 100/0 Floyd over Chauvin at that point. Floyd was a thug who behaved badly. No one disputes that or can't dispute that if they're being honest with themselves.

But here's where it goes off the rails a bit. Once Floyd had his hand cuffed behind his back and put to the ground face down, he no longer had *any* control of his destiny - that was now 100 percent in the hands of Chauvin. Floyd at that point was *alive* and Chauvin was on top of him.

If Floyd was shot dead during a struggle with the police for a gun, we would't be talking about this. But when Chauvin was on top of a cuffed guy while he was struggling to breathe, the narrative changes, and that's why Chauvin is in prison.

I agree that it wasn't murder by the accepted definition - murder implies intent, at least by most state codes (not talking about some codes that might use the term "murder" and "unintentional" in the same charge - that makes no sense). So if we are talking about murder as intent, I don't buy it. For all the poor judgement and lack of concern for Floyd's life by Chauvin, it makes no sense that Chauvin's intent was to kill Floyd or kill him in public which makes even less sense.

[–] TandyMan (10434) 6 months ago

Jet fuel don't melt steel beams. Dissect everything you see on the news. None of it if holds up. If everybody tackled life the way they do video games, it would be a very different world. This world may be a simulation, who knows. But pretend that it is and act accordingly. You will discover shrouds upon shrouds of lies that will make your head spin and suffocate you.

[–] ShutUpHooker (31) 6 months ago

Of course it was a lie, which never would have occurred if the races were level in this ….. heck, if Chauvin was black he would probably still be on patrol today