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which version is best??


1933 or 2005? I love both, but I do think 1933 is the best, I feel the new one is too long

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1933.

The 2005 version isn't even better than the 1976 version.

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The 2005 version isn't even better than the 1976 version.


Oh, that's just mean!

It's probably true. (It's been a long time since I saw the 1976 version.)

But it's still MEAN!

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The 2005 version isn't even better than the 1976 version.

^^^This. So this.

The 1933 version is, far and away, the best one.

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2005.

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1933. I have never been able to fully finish the 2005 version.

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1933, One of the best movies ever


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yeah I love the 1933 version too

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1933 version is too good to be trashed by a great but sometimes ridicolous 2005 version.

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I agree, but I do prefer Naomi Watts over Fay Ray her screaming did get a little old after a while

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1933!

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1933,it's the best Monster Movie of all time.

And I think CGI is overrated.

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How blinded people are by their nostalgic love for the original is truly amazing.

PJ's film is drastically superior across the board, the original, by todays, is a joke of a movie.

It was amazingly unique and innovative by the standards of 70+ years ago, that's nice, it in no way, shape or form is the timeless masterpiece most cinema buffs so desperately want it to be though.

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So you mean there is no interest in having these older films, because contemporary audience have not imagination enough to go along with a bl/w movie with not so realistic effects? Problem of today is that "realistic" (CGI) effects numb peoples reception to only believe in a film if it looks cristal clear, no matter how stupid the film actually is. From that technocratic view we might as well trash all older pre-digital films, because they are just nostalgic crap.

Its people like you who I am afraid will destroy our cultural history in the future.
Sorry, man...

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The thing is that this is all subjective. Everyone has their preference. You can have your arguments FirstBlood1982, but you should never pass them of as facts, and label everyone else who disagrees with you as wrong.

It was amazingly unique and innovative by the standards of 70+ years ago, that's nice, it in no way, shape or form is the timeless masterpiece most cinema buffs so desperately want it to be though

When Peter Jackson first saw this he was nine years old. By that time, KING KONG was nearly a 40 year old movie. What it all means is that it was this four decade film (complete stop-motion) that got Jackson interested in becoming a filmmaker, and not so much contemporary stuff like say 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY.

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Its people like you who I am afraid will destroy our cultural history in the future.
Agreed. You're not the only one so concerned.

That ilk creates nothing yet would destroy everything. Seems really, really putrid to me.

It might be interesting to note that such rich cultural history is not just "ours" but everyones, then, now, and forevermore, much like priceless artifacts belonging in a museum.

But that ilk is just one big, fat collective fruitcake that make a pretence of sharing like one brain-cell. Too bad for them that "brain-cell" is in fact a diseased pile of their own excrement, but of course how would they know the difference.

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"That ilk creates nothing yet would destroy everything. Seems really, really putrid to me.

It might be interesting to note that such rich cultural history is not just "ours" but everyones, then, now, and forevermore, much like priceless artifacts belonging in a museum."

What the hell are you talking about?

I have on interest in "destroying" the original film or removing its place in history. I'm glad it was made and had the influence it did on other, better films in years to come like the 2005 version.

How defensive you get when somoeone states the pretty blatantly obvious, that the original film doesn't hold up as a remotely good movie by todays standards, only demonstrates my point about the militiant following that nostalgic attachments can develop in people.


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<<What the hell are you talking about>>?

Jesus probably wouldn't like you using that kind of language.

Or telling lies about how the 2005 version is better than the '33.

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"So you mean there is no interest in having these older films, because contemporary audience have not imagination enough to go along with a bl/w movie with not so realistic effects? Problem of today is that "realistic" (CGI) effects numb peoples reception to only believe in a film if it looks cristal clear, no matter how stupid the film actually is. From that technocratic view we might as well trash all older pre-digital films, because they are just nostalgic crap.

Its people like you who I am afraid will destroy our cultural history in the future.
Sorry, man..."

The effects are hardly the only problem, the acting is abhorently bad, as is the dialogue.

The movie makes Ann, the human character that the film is most dependent upon the audience liking, a selfish, money-grubbing b**h.
That moment when she talks about how much money they can make off of Kong while he's being exploited in NYC is one of the worst character moments I have ever witnessed from a writing perspective.

There's no emotion whatsoever between Kong and Ann, only absurd looking expressions of terror by Fay Wray every time they're onscree together.

That's great that PJ saw this is a kid and it inspired him and many other filmmakers over the years. I never said it wasn't an influential film or that it didn't have a very valid place in history, I said that it doesn't hold up by todays standards at all.

Anyone that can say that this is a genuinely better made film by todays standards than Jacksons is viewing the film through nostalgic blinders, I think that's fairly obvious to anyone viewing the two films objectively.



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I saw Kong '76 years before I saw Kong '33, yet I consider Kong '33 to be the best, Kong '76 to be second best, and Kong '05 to be downright abysmal.

So much for nostalgia.

As for your point about Ann Darrow from the first, Kong was her captor on Skull Island. The tables were turned (she thought) in New York. To her--an unemployed actress kidnaped and faced with certain death before returning to the U.S.--the idea of making money from whatever source must have been appealing. That hardly makes her a money-grubbing bitch. Even so, her only emotional attachment to Kong is fear of him.He tried to do whatever he does to his brides to her. Then he was a rather sizable meal ticket. Sorry to tell you, but that makes perfect sense.

Contrast that with Naomi Watts' Darrow, who wants to engage in bestiality with an ape 30 times her size. I'm sorry, but that's a lot creepier than Fay Wray's Darrow's wanting to make money off the ape that abducted her.

Kong '05 makes Carl Denham an unlikable, uncharismatic sleazeball poorly portrayed by Jack Black. Regardless of how one views the '33 version, at least Robert Armstrong made him likable and charismatic. If one buys into the idea of Denham as a conniving charlatan, then it's easy to see why he easily becomes the film's Pied Piper. As poryrayed by Jack Black, there is no reason to believe Denham is capable of charismatic manipulation.

As for the idea that Kong '05 is a "genuinely better made film by today's standards," I don't see it. Overlong, overblown, and pedantic. Only Naomi Watts is a worthwhile thespian, and much of her performance is undermined with creepy Stockholm syndrome/bestiality subtext. All of the other actors range from mediocre to risible (see Jack Black).

While the '33 Kong had groundbreaking special effects for its day, Kong '05 has pedestrian CGI on sets that look like sets. Nothing in the production design stands out in such a way as to drag the viewer in.

Meanwhile, the streamlined plot of the original is bloated in the '05 version with numerous dead-end subplots and distractions from the main plot. The focus is on everything but Kong and offers little emotional payoff with an ending lacking the confluence of pathos and relief at the end of the '33 version.

Is Kong '33 perfect? No. Is it a better film than Kong '05? Most definitely. The former is the epitome of what a monster movie should be. The latter is a loud, unsubtle, overblown, garish children's fantasy with nothing outstanding or noteworthy about it except its ridiculous self-indulgence.

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1933 is the absolute best.

The PJ remake certainly has its moments, but is very flawed.



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I agree so much with the sentiment you express. I also find it amazing how acting performances which would be completely trashed & laughed at now, are accepted/loved because it's 'from a different era'. Or really every flaw will likely be brushed off with such a reason.
I also it amazing how they can have great suspension of believe when it comes to old movies, but with new(er) movies or remakes it's suddenly "aaaaand it's gone..".
It's beyond annoying once you've noticed how superficial it is, yet how many snobs rely on it to feel better.

1933 King Kong will always be movie history, but it's not somehow above flaw or betterment. There's loads of aspects in which the 2005 remake is better. "Because it's from a different era".


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' I agree so much with the sentiment you express. I also find it amazing how acting performances which would be completely trashed & laughed at now, are accepted/loved because it's 'from a different era'. Or really every flaw will likely be brushed off with such a reason.
I also it amazing how they can have great suspension of believe when it comes to old movies, but with new(er) movies or remakes it's suddenly "aaaaand it's gone..".
It's beyond annoying once you've noticed how superficial it is, yet how many snobs rely on it to feel better.

1933 King Kong will always be movie history, but it's not somehow above flaw or betterment. There's loads of aspects in which the 2005 remake is better. "Because it's from a different era". '

This is quite possibly the best post I've ever seen regarding the original Kong film.

I'm absolutely stunned every time someone tries to argue with me when I say that the original film had horrid acting. It's so bad it's barely even the least bit subjective, it's just obviously horrible.

If any actor/actress showed up an audition and acted like that today, I guarantee you that you'd never see that performance make it to the screen, unless they were auditioning for a spoof film.

I've talked about this with quite a few cinema buffs I know personally that fully agreed with me that the acting was wretched and said that the reason it is the way it is is because back then you mostly had stage actors that were accustomed to over-exaggerating voices and mannerisms so that they could be seen by audience members in the back of the venue when they were performing in plays.
That type of acting, which Fay Wray displays in just about every scene she's in, is a horrible translation to film acting. There is nothing remotely believable about it and any actor that tried doing that today, as previously mentioned, would most likely never make it to the big screen, or if they did would be laughed off it by every audience in the world.

The original film is awful today for reasons that go well beyond the goofy effects work (although that doesn't help).
People make asinine comparisons to PlayStation graphics when they see CGI that they think is bad today, meanwhile, they give a free pass to obviously phony, absurd looking effects from ages ago because it was "good for its time" or "that's just how it was done," and they give the same type of free pass to acting performances that are clearly horrible from classic cinema.

For me when I'm watching a movie, it's good or it's bad. I don't see good movies "for the era." If it doesn't hold up, then as far as I'm concerned, it's a bad movie.

I may appreciate the overall impact it had on cinema, which I do with the original Kong. It's a far more important movie in cinematic history than Jackson's Kong is, but regardless, I still find it drastically inferior in every conceivable way to Jackson's film.
More influential doesn't mean better to me.

I'm over 30 and I love Ben-Hur, Spartacus, the original Psycho...the original Twilight Zone is one of my favorite television series of all time...so this doesn't simply come down to the old "omg, kids!" argument that nostalgica clingining cinema buffs would like to think it does.
I simply don't think that Kong 33, although an extremely important and influential movie, holds up as anything even resembling a good film by todays standards for a plethora of reasons.

PJ's Kong is one of my favorite film and I think it's the best film made since 2005.


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Funny how tastes are different. If I could only choose between watching the '05 version or the '76 version, I'd pick the '76 version any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Both to me fall somewhere below the '33 version.

The interesting part of all your posts is that you're convinced that your take on this is right. No other way to see it but your way. That anybody who prefers the '33 version is obviously deluding themselves and caught in some kind of nostalgic haze. And that point of view in and of itself is sort of delusional.

The '33 version has a dreamlike/nightmare quality that the new one could only hope for.

The reality is, the '05 version is medium entertainment, and a lot of the time it's kind of silly. I like it though. Just can't compare with the '33 version.

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Kids...

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I think you've bled for too long first blood.....the 33 version is one of the top classics.....the newer ones were made politically correct and were terrible....advanced SFX donot make a good movie....

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Trolling for replies, are ya? You're pathetic!

You're no Rambo! And First Blood is a better movie than you are! You should be sent to bed with no dessert for the first time EVER, you dickmunch!

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"Trolling for replies, are ya? You're pathetic!"

Nope, I was stating exactly how I felt. It wasn't deliberately designed to gain any particular reaction.

"You're no Rambo! And First Blood is a better movie than you are! You should be sent to bed with no dessert for the first time EVER, you dickmunch!"

That's one of the most uniquely entertaining insults I've ever had thrown at me, so thanks for that I suppose.
I'm not a movie, so I'd imagine First Blood is a better movie than me, and I never thought that I was Rambo, but thank you for reinforcing that point.


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Oh! It is because now you are Bane from Batman & Robin! Ah! I get it! hehehehehe

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Nostalgia?
Is everyone 85?

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You love both? 2005 was a sad rip-off of the 1933 classic.

Remember When Movies Didn't Have To Be Politically Correct?

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1933, 1976, 2005, then King Kong Lives (simply because it was such a potboiler kind of story).

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The title of this made my jaw drop-THE 1933 OF COURSE.
The ill-fated 1976 version, despite it's lack of dinosaurs and fantasy elements, had a marvelous score by the great John Barry,Richard H. Kline's cinematography was excellent, as was Rick Baker's costume for Kong.The 2005 Peter Jackson adaption was basically an amalgamation of the 33 Kong,76 Kong, Mighty Joe Young,and unnecessary "chick flick" touches.It also pointlessly drew out every action scene on Skull Island, King Kong 2005 is an editor's nightmare.

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The title of this made my jaw drop-THE 1933 OF COURSE.


Totally. No question about that.

The ill-fated 1976 version, despite it's lack of dinosaurs and fantasy elements, had a marvelous score by the great John Barry,Richard H. Kline's cinematography was excellent, as was Rick Baker's costume for Kong.


And Jeff Bridges and Charles Grodin do stellar work as Prescott and Wilson. Eve Lange (despite the ditzy character she plays initially)ended up being very convincing with her relationship with Kong.

The 2005 Peter Jackson adaption was basically an amalgamation of the 33 Kong,76 Kong, Mighty Joe Young,and unnecessary "chick flick" touches.It also pointlessly drew out every action scene on Skull Island, King Kong 2005 is an editor's nightmare.


Agreed. Kong 2005 shamefully stole many moments and ideas from Kong 1976 and never once credited Lorenzo Semple Jnr for them. Shocking how it got away with it. That one shot in Kong 2005 at the end where the photographers stand on the dead body of Kong is almost a carbon copy of the same shot in Kong 1976, even the angles.

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1933!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've watched it at least 150 times (perhaps more) since I was a child in the Fifties. They used to air this often on early TV, and my family watched it every time. Throughout the years, I've never been able to resist watching it, whether TCM or my copy, which is preceded by "Mighty Joe Young" and followed by "Son of Kong".

Actually, I'm watching it right now on TCM=}

I rate the PJ version down there with the Seventies movie. To tell the truth, I'd probably watch the latter before a repeat viewing of the 21st century version because at least it makes me laugh and not want to shout at the screen too much. BTW: The first time we watched the CGI-overloaded version, my mother asked me, "Is this supposed to be a comedy because I'm not laughing. But, they can't be serious!" I assured her that it was supposed to be a drama and that it was by the man who directed the LOTR trilogy. "What happened to *him*?!" she asked. I shrugged. Who knows?!

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1933 was the best. Haven't fully seen the 1970s version, but the parts i saw kinda creeped me out. 2005 version is actually pretty good, just not as good as the 1933 original.

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1933.
Jack Black is no Robert Armstrong.
The scene with Kong and Ann on the ice seemed physically impossible and badly timed (He just killed a bunch of random people)
The dinosaur stampede starts well, but becomes over the top.
And as with 1976, sentiment for Kong should be seen and not heard.

On a plus side, the 2005 has the most physically correct gorilla. With teeth that don't inspire laughter.

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2005 all the way.

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