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Rhett was 17 years older than Scarlett?!


It's never specified in the movie but in the book it's said at the end that Scarlett is 28 and Rhett is 45. Maybe at those ages it's not too bad, but it's very weird when you think that when they first met Scarlett was 16 and Rhett was 33?! I mean, nowadays a 33-year-old man being attracted to a 16-year-old girl would be seen as perverted and creepy. Rhett was older than Scarlett's mother. Was this just not that big of a deal and more normal in that time period? That's all I can think. I love the book, but at the same time it kind of weirds me out that Rhett is that much older than her, especially when Scarlett was still a teenager.

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Guess that means Rhett was a sugar daddy.

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We're talking about a different time. Life was so much harder for people back then. We're talking about a time before dish washers, washing machines, dryers, hot and cold running water, electricity. No cell phones. No TVs. People had to wash their clothes by hand using nothing but washing boards and a bucket of soapy water. This could take hours of their personal time, all by itself. Then, if you wanted a bath thereafter, you have to eat a bucket of water on a stove and fill a tub, gradually. Let's not forget that you have to pump your own water from your own well. Again, this simple luxury that we take for granted would take hours. If you want to eat, you have to bake your bread from scratch while killing, skinning and or plucking your own meat. This again will take hours. Your day is over. Hell, depending on where you were, you had to empty out your own latrines / outhouses. You have to start all over the next day. Imagine doing all of this without help. Imagine life without someone there to make life a little easier. Also, someone has to make the money to keep the roof over your head and the food in the bellies of you, your kids (if you have any), your life stock. That is why feminism was rejected back then. The majority of women knew the value of their men, no matter how old they were. That is why it was so easy for the Old South embraced having servants whom they didn't have to pay; ie, slaves. So, wouldn't you want your daughter to marry someone wealthy? Wouldn't you want your daughter to be happy rather than a miserable workhorse because average life is so fcking hard? When she marries well, she's insured servants or in this case, slaves. Would age really matter?

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Seriously? No one has anything to say to this rant of truth??

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Ok its a little incoherent.

That is why feminism was rejected back then.
When is "back then"?

XIXth Century?

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Gosh I hate when people put their modern ideas on people of a different time and culture. An older man marrying a teenager was common practice for centuries and it served a purpose. These people were lucky to live to see 30 or 40 so a teenager was considered an adult early on. Marriage for love was also not common and the women were marrying for stability, and the men for children.
I do not understand the idea of marrying a cousin, this only makes sense to me when it comes to royalty. During this time period of GWTW Queen Victoria if England was married to her first cousin...or actually she had just been widowed.

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Marrying a cousin was mostly about keeping estates and fortunes within the family.

In the Wilkes' case it was about being with someone compatible. Melanie was what they called a "bluestocking" in those days and that's what worked for Ashley.


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Yes we know you want to screw teens and marry one.

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even nowdays you quite often get relationships between young girls and older men. And sixteen is in most places the age of consent or above.

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But if it was the other way around, the woman would be labelled as a "cougar" and the man as a "boytoy" (if not a "gigilo" or a "fortune hunter").

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well, it's a fact of life that men are able to father children longer than women are able to bear them, and i think this is the main reason why older men/younger women marriages have histrocially been more common than the reverse. but even in past times, too great an age disparity could be a source of mockery. there are quite a lot of comic tales from the middle ages about foolish old men who marry young wives and are inevitably cuckolded. The Merchant's tale from the Canterbury tales is probably the best known, but there are others. 'january should not wed may' as Chaucer puts it. however, the age difference between Scarlett and Rhett is not that massive, if she's may, then he is perhaps August rather than january.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21-l0idoeo .


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That is hilarious.

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a 33-year-old man being attracted to a 16-year-old girl would be seen as perverted and creepy

Would be seen by whom? A self-righteous prude?
Define "creepy"!

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Too many people in this "free" and "progressive" society still want to dictate how people should live, feel and think. Like another poster said, who came up with the age of consent being 18 anyway? In Alaska, did you know it's 16? It's a fact that the brain doesn't stop growing until you reach 25 anyway. Does that mean we should up the age of consent to 25? That'll be fun.

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It is a tricky issue because it is something we feel so strongly about, yet it is nowhere near a culturally universal value. Virtually every society in human history has defined it somewhat differently.

Of course there must be laws to protect minors from predators, but determining exactly what, and when, whether and how to enforce them is more complicated.

In our own flawed system, a 19 year old who loves a 17 year old is a legally a rapist (yet may or may not be universally condemned by society), but a 79 year old who loves an 18 year old may generally be frowned upon but is fully within legal rights. Of course, consent is always the most important factor, but deciding at what age a person is capable of consent is another foggy issue...and naturally, it varies according to the individual's psyche so laws must always fall short of a perfect model.

To me, 18 is a reasonable age of consent, but as you mentioned, it's 16 in Alaska, as well as in Great Britain, a society with very similar cultural values to the USA. How can one be considered a predator in one nation and a normal, healthy person in love in another? The concept of consent and non-consent should be a moral absolute, yet it is not, and how can it be when even cultures with analogous values define it differently.

I personally wouldn't seek out a relationship with anyone more than 4 or 5 years on either side of my age, and I'm 29, but that's just me.

Of course, in the cultural context of GWTW, a difference of 17 years would hardly have entered the equation. Others have pointed out that older husbands were considered an advantage for girls in their teens. From what I've read, people were still a bit uneasy about too large an age gap (about 28-30 for a man and 18-21 for a woman would have been considered about marriageable age, and no difference at all). I believe people felt 15 or 16 was still quite young, but certainly not out of the ordinary, and there were regional differences. The antebellum gentry did marry off girls very early. I believe Civil War diarist Mary Chestnut was only 13 when her husband started to pursue her. He was eight years older, about the age difference one would expect for the time, and they didn't marry until she was seventeen, reflecting there may have been some uneasiness over too early a marriage (she was, I believe also personally resistant to the idea, considering marriage to be slavery for the woman).

Either way, In terms of media, not much has changed when Hollywood still presents Colin Firth as an appropriate love interest for Emma Stone.



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Forgive me all if this was already discussed - I haven't read all the posts on this thread. What was the age difference btw Ellen and Gerald? I don't think we're ever told Gerald's age. I believe Ellen was 15 when she married him.

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I think that Gerald was in his early 40s when he came courting. He'd already purchased Tara, and had made it profitable, but had a longing for the grace and dignity that only a wife could provide.

15 year old Ellen was already in love with her cousin, Phillipe Robillard, but her family considered him unsuitable and sent him away. After Phillipe was killed in a barroom brawl, Ellen never forgave her family for sending him away.

Ellen had decided to enter a Convent, and the thought was so abhorrent to her Protestant Father, that he gave his consent for her marriage to Gerald.







I do hope he won't upset Henry...

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Y'know, it was the same scenario for Ellen's youngest daughter Carreen, whose love-of-her-life, Brent Tarleton was killed in Gettysburg.
However, rather than marry a man she didn't love, Will Benteen, Carreen DID enter the convent in Charleston.
Had Ellen still been alive, I believe she would have been proud of her "baby" for not making the mistake she made.

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I think Ellen loved Gerald in her way though.

She respected him, and appreciated their life together...the home they had built and the children they had raised. It wasn't her ideal situation, but she committed to it full force, and I believe was resigned to the choice she had made and without deep regret...until in the delirium of her deathly fever her thoughts were of her lost love.

True love can wear different faces. Who's to say that committing to someone with everything in you and building a marriage through sheer willpower despite your personal happiness isn't a true form of love.

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Well, Ellen did respect Gerald and the citizens of Clayton County, although she could never really be like them ("...she had left too much of herself in Savannah...").
And she was definitely grateful to Gerald for helping her escape the family she had come to hate.

But I don't think she ever really "loved" him.
In fact, I believe she secretly regretted marrying this man-child and taking on the huge responsibility of running a large plantation and raising three daughters--especially Scarlett!
I'm willing to wager that she would have found peace and been much happier in the convent, just as Carreen did.
And that's why I think that Ellen would have been proud of her youngest daughter.

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16 is not the healthiest age for women to have babies. If women want healthy babies she should stay away from 35 plus man. I see we have men who want teen girls in here. That's typical for men anyway. They wonder why we have these laws. Men of certain age should not be fathers anyway.

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Isn't it grand that we cant criticize with how terrible women were treated without someone saying "that's the way it was!" as if that's any kind of excuse. Men are so predatory and gross.

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It was considered well within the boundaries of normality at that time. My great grandfather married a young woman in her twenties when he was in his fifties, in the 1880s. Today, we have re-entered an uptight, puritanical, irrational world. But we are not more wise than they were. We are not at the zenith, any more than they were in their time.

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While this is a four year old post, I believe this is still valid.
I get so sick of people bringing up supposedly inappropriate age relationships. Different times, different norms, and I think they are actually really intrigued with the whole idea. Why keep mentioning it? They get off on sounding so high-minded all the while lavishing in the perversity.

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Exactly. Shakespeare's line about protesting too much applies to people who are overly fixated on this. As long as both partners are adults, then who cares. I've known plenty of couples with significant age gaps in modern times as well.

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