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Tootie is annoying and disturbed!


While I usually enjoy Margaret O'Brien, I cannot stand her character in this film! Yes, her eccentricity MAY be seen as a way to get attention, I cannot believe the way her family is so quick to dismiss her "cute" behavior.

The Halloween scenes could have been completely removed from the film and not have it effect the overall feeling. First of all, who are these parents that let their 5-10 yr olds run around wild on Halloween, lighting bonfires, and throwing flour in their neighbors' faces?? The scene that irks the living daylights out of myself, my sister and mother is when Tootie is retelling the story of the stuffed dress that was placed on the trolley tracks!!! Dozens of people could have been killed and Tootie's punishment is only ONE kind of ice cream? Meanwhile, Agnes calls Rose a "snob" because she is shocked that her sisters were involved in such a dangerous prank! Why did the filmmakers bother with this? This is ridiculous and one of the most irritating scenes in film history.

Anyone else find the Halloween scene obnoxious and irritating?!?

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I really enjoy the Halloween segment. It emphasizes a time when Halloween was celebrated for its dark intentions, and not just for collecting candy door to door. The man who was "killed" by the flour in the face evidently understood what it was all about. He kept his bulldog inside and only seemed mildly annoyed.

The Halloween segment also shows how children can have such a different perspective of the world than grown-ups. Tootie's act of courage earned her the respect of her peers as she proudly proclaims how horrible she is.

Real life children are seldom little angels, but most grow up to be completely well-adjusted. A little girl who seems picture-perfect probably has too much in common with Rhoda from The Bad Seed (1956) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048977/.


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After reading some of the comments here I have to say this:

It's only a MOVIE. I wonder why some people have such a problem distinguishing between fantasy and reality. I watch movies to be entertained-I don't spend my time doing anal exams on them like some others do.

What people should have been more disturbed about was the fact that some deranged lighting man tried to KILL Margaret by dropping a light on her during the filming of this movie. THAT'S reality-not some Halloween scene in a movie.

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Three-plus years later this thread's still going on...I'm watching this movie on TCM for the first time and was taken aback by the Halloween scene, so I looked it up here. It's pretty dark. But playing light and dark against each other has always been part of storytelling. "Peter Pan" is a pretty violent book.
Kids are little savages, but as long as they get to spend one evening a year harmlessly venting it, it's cute. ("We killed them! We tortured them first!")
Never during my lifetime could you get away with knocking on a neighbor's door, yelling "I hate you!" and throwing flour in his face, but it was acceptable at the place and time of this movie; the old man seems a bemused and willing participant.
Lot of areas used to celebrate "mischief night" Oct. 30 (a.k.a. devil's night, hell night, goosey night). It was all in good fun but in the 1970's it started getting dangerous with arson and serious vandalism. (See the 1994 movie "The Crow.")
Trying to derail a trolley car, I find it hard to believe that'd be laughed off in any era except by really bad parents. That'd be a ticket to reform school.
I recall when I was young (the 70's) some friends played the stuffed-body in the road game and got chased by an angry motorist for it; they would have gotten a visit from the cops had they been found out. But at least that was a road without much traffic and a 25 mph speed limit.

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I unfortunately grew up in a household where spanking was administerd as punishment. I can absolutely assure you that it did nothing to improve my character. All it did was make me afraid of my father, and to this day I am still dealing with the emotional crap from my childhood. Laying a hand on a child to inflict pain is horrific and barbaric. There are myriad gentler forms of punishment that actually TEACH a child something. Spanking -- let's be honest -- beating a child doesn't teach them anything but fear. Personally, if I had children, I would much rather that they respect my parental authority out of love than out of a fear of being beaten.

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That explains it!

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Oh, please. Not all kids who are spanked grow up to fear their parents. Different styles of parenting work for different kids. Not everyone is the same. A time-out may work for one kid, whereas a spanking would work for another child.

All the world will be your enemy, Prince With a Thousand Enemies. And whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first, they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, full of tricks, and your people shall never be destroyed.

SnowyFrogger

~Proud to be a Gleek!~

Now I know, don't be scared. Granny is right, just be prepared.

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Be fair-the film was set in 1903-04.There can be no doubt that Mr.Smith was a genuinely caring father.

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I completely agree with everything you said. I found her character not only obnoxious, spoiled, and annoying but also getting away with some very bad habits--like you mentioned: throwing flour in peoples' faces and almost getting a lot of people hurt. I can't understand why they made her out to be such a brat.

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you lot need a something check- kids used to play out run around bon fires have fun before health and sefety pc brigade were set loose to ruin everything what lode of prissy pricks you are

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Without the language, I basically agree.

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True. I was Tootie's age in the early 1960s and all the kids went out on Halloween night, without adults, and ran all over the neighborhood, and neighboring neighborhoods, doing pretty much anything they wanted. Quite a few pranks were played, some of which could have got us into trouble. We played outside, without adult supervision, every day. We walked or rode our bikes to school, or downtown to the library or park or movie theater or store, with no adults around. For kids, life used to be much more free than it is today.

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