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Why a remake might be better


I know there's another thread here but that one seems to quickly degenerate into the usual IMDB forum abuse and counter-abuse.

Recently watched this again several times on BBC here in the UK, and that's prompted me to post this.

So, what's wrong with the original, many of you'll ask, to justify a remake?

Well, firstly, there was nothing wrong with Infernal Affairs but the Departed was I think a better film (discuss).Maybe not the best analogy 'cos the aim with the Departed I suppose was to make a more accessible version of the original foreign-language film.

Seems to me you can remake with a view to improving and/or updating a classic. Doesn't have to be anything necessarily 'wrong' with the original. I would mention here the Lee Marvin version of the Killers which is, I think, just as good or maybe better than the Burt Lancaster original.

So to the faults..! (and there are quite a few)

The acting ain't great and is often downright hammy.

The special effects are pretty lame by today's standards, in contrast to the set design the scenes of the house and Krell lab etc are still pretty amazing.

Maybe not a fault, allowing for when the film was made, but it really stands out that in the distant future there will be no non-whites in space and no women either.

Robby the robot - well, cute, quaint, light relief etc but he doesn't really work now.

So here's my idea - same initial set-up but the captain is female or the first officer is, and the daughter Altaira finds herself attracted to both of them,so creating a storm of conflicted emotions. And maybe suggest the father has sublimated feelings for his daughter....

Make Robby an android.

So - anyone else got any ideas for a good remake?

BTW is this film really in development or is it in development hell? Anyone know?

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Any "work of art" is necessarily a product of its time. Attempts to remake it alter it in ways that almost always weaken or destroy the "point" of the original. (Contrast Boudou Saved from Drowing with Down and Out in Beverly Hills.)

One might argue that modern technology makes possible a huge leap in the seeming realism of Forbidden Planet. The fact is that, even 60 years later, most of Forbidden Planet's mechanical and optical effects hold up. The worst thing about the film is that it's obviously shot on a sound stage.

The other justification for a remake is that there's something "wrong" with the original. Sure, the script is clunky, * the acting variable, and the direction uninspired. None of that prevented Forbidden Planet from being a, and arguably the, major influence on "popular" science fiction for nearly a half century.

For me, the "wrong" thing that justifies a remake is the original's failure to clarify and develop the issue at the center of the story -- does man have a right to meddle in God's domain?

As Doc Ostrow points out, the Great Machine could create matter in any form -- including living creatures. (The tiger and deer are Morbius's creations. They were not brought from Earth.) The Krell were punished for their blasphemy by self-destruction. A clever story could make good drama of this. (No, I don't have any ideas at the moment.)

A remake must include Robby, the greatest movie robot ever. (I'm willing to consider demurrals from those who prefer The False Maria.) Perhaps someone could find a way to perfectly mimic Marvin Miller's voice.

By the way, the "remake" of The Thing is actually a "make". The Hawks version is an atrociously idiotic mangling of Campbell's short story "Who Goes There?", designed to appeal to a dull audience. The Carpenter version, though gratuitously violent, sticks closely to the story.

* Despite his name, Cyril Hume was born and bred in the US. If you've watched The Rifleman, you know what superb scripts he could turn out.

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As Doc Ostrow points out, the Great Machine could create matter in any form -- including living creatures. (The tiger and deer are Morbius's creations. They were not brought from Earth.)


Regarding the tiger, deer, monkey, and unseen (but referenced) migratory birds, does anything in the actual film establish this 'fact' regarding their origin?





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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No. It is implied, especially by reductio ad absurdum.

Morbius states that the Krell brought the creatures from Earth. This doesn't withstand simple logic. How did these species survive the Krell's destruction, and the conversion of the planet's surface to a near wasteland?

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It is implied, especially by reductio ad absurdum.


That would be all well and good, except that in a work of fiction, paradoxes, contradictions and impossibilities are par for the course, especially in a sci-fi story that really pushes the boundaries of the imagination, so I'm not certain that reductio ad absurdum is terribly convincing as an argument.

Do you have any theory as to why Morbius' thought-creation bucks would fight seasonally, or what purpose it would serve to have his birds migrate? Why he would tell Adams and Ostrow that such activity registers on the power gauges of the Krell machine?

All due respect, the idea that transplanted organisms from Earth are the only mega-fauna left on Altair 4 is improbable, but far from impossible in a science fiction mystery drama. It's not even a particularly challenging leap in the story. The movie makes no real effort to establish the notion, and puts up several roadblocks to the idea, in fact.





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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The problem, of course, is that Ostrow doesn't challenge Morbius's claim. In the film, the animals exist to distract attention from Morbius.

In the novelization, * Ostrow dissects one of the animals, and finds that its "guts" bear no relation to any kind of real-world animal.

* It was written by Philip MacDonald (under the pen name W J Stuart), who wrote [The Lost] Patrol and The List of Adrian Messenger, both of which were made into successful films. When the FP novelization was published, Anthony Boucher dismissed it as "an abysmally banal job of hackwork". He's right -- it reads as if it had been knocked out in a week.

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I would love to produce a remake of this movie. The original is great and stands on its own merits. But, it is a little dated in dialog and effects. A remake should not be seen as an opportunity to inject political correctness into the story or upstage the story and message with CGI. I know I'll catch hell for this, but the story only has room for one female. The dynamics of this single female with the all male crew members and her father is an important part of the story.

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I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the score. How would you "update" the music and sound effects? They're incredible just as they are.

Don't remake this movie. Instead, make something new that riffs off the basic themes of Forbidden Planet just as Forbidden Planet borrows from the Tempest and all the other works that preceded it.

Some of the other commenters are exactly right. Hollywood would just screw up a remake. It wouldn't be any more "realistic" it would just reflect early 21st century neuroses instead of mid 20th century ones. I'm already groaning at the thought of the climactic fight scene between the captain and the first officer, over a walkway above the Krell power plant, once the first officer's plans to sabotage the mission and take the power supply for himself are found out.

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Somebody was supposedly working on a prequel. I'd like to see a story about the Krell (who are huge arthropods) and how they bring about their own destruction.

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That would be fascinating.

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Truther writes:

Some of the other commenters are exactly right. Hollywood would just screw up a remake. It wouldn't be any more "realistic" it would just reflect early 21st century neuroses instead of mid 20th century ones. I'm already groaning at the thought of the climactic fight scene between the captain and the first officer, over a walkway above the Krell power plant, once the first officer's plans to sabotage the mission and take the power supply for himself are found out.


How do you know that?

I seem to visualize it. If you wish, call it...a premonition.




"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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How do I know what? I'm not trying to be snarky -- my comment that you've quoted was pretty much entirely just my opinion.

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I was just trying to use lines from the movie in an appropriate setting. I think what you wrote is clever and likely correct, sadly.





"Morbius, something is approaching from the southwest. It is now quite close."

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Oh, got it. Thanks for the explanation.

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I'm with you ! I love this movie so much I can't stand the thought of how they could ruin it. Part of it's charm, at least for me, is the fact that even though the effects seem basic and outdated, when it was made, it was very ahead of its time as far as that goes. So I really appreciate that fact when I watch it. If they made it today with all the blue screens and CGI, it would just be another sci-fi action movie.

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The best argument against a remake is every remake made of a "classic" Scifi movie. None have been even close to the original, all filled with lots of cgi ( the time machine), and a revamped and usually ridiculous storyline (war of the worlds and the day the earth stood still). Not to mention today's actors who only know how to shout and jump around in front of the camera. Yes the cinematography and sets will be better than 60 years ago, but those elements don't guarantee a good film.

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Please save the PC nonsense and the fake looking cgi. This movie is perfect and a remake would only dilute it.

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I'm not against a remake but your post (and most of the replies) fail to mention the central idea of the movie which is the God-like powers achieved by the Krell which led to their destruction due to the subconscious forces they were unable to control. The idea of technology being used to enable the mind to create and move matter is one of the most fascinating ideas in science fiction.

Frankly, I don't trust that that idea could be explored properly by any modern director. You'd end up with some CGI *beep* that missed the whole point by a huge margin.

If a remake happens I hope it can be done with the same care and respect with which Blade Runner was handled. That was a visually stunning movie wrapped around a big idea.

Colonial Marines? Jesus.

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One thing I'd like changed is the ending. It's just so overwrought with Walter Pidgeon's bombastic acting. Not to mention the vague resolution. Morbius tells the monster he denies it, the gauges go down and he collapses with no sign of injury. One can say he lost the will the live or something like that, but it's just such a cop-out.

I know it may be too close to being an action scene and probably too gory for some, but I wouldn't mind seeing less denial from Morbius and a more steely acceptance. He triggers the self-destruct himself, makes the trite "Take care of Alta for me" speech to the captain then throws himself against the monster, going out in a blaze of glory. No Morbius, no monster. Yes, it's the old "suicide to stop what's within me" trope, but it's appropriate.

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