Did anyone else dislike Joanna??


1st off I looooved this movie...

But one thing I didn't like was Joey's character. She was too naive and acted like she did not understand the size of the situation.

Realistically, knowing her parents you would think she'd know how to handle them better than she did in the movie and she wouldn't be as pushy.

Whenever she said something like "I'll pack my bags for the marriage!!!" It made her character look very ditzy and one-dimensional. If anyone should be taking the situation seriously it should have been her and the doctor... this made me less serious about her character. But like I said this movie was a masterpiece and I liked it a lot.

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I too found her character to be naive. She came across as an airhead. I think being married to her would have become tiresome after awhile.

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I didn't like her either. To think that she would even "consider" having pre-marital sex just turns me off. Thank God John refused--even if he was the same race.

And her friend, living together with her husband two years before they were married?

Such high moral standards. NOT!!!!!!!!

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I didn't like her either. To think that she would even "consider" having pre-marital sex just turns me off. Thank God John refused--even if he was the same race.

And her friend, living together with her husband two years before they were married?

Such high moral standards. NOT!!!!!!!!



While premarital sex was just becoming the "norm", the friend who was living with her husband for two years before getting married was ridiculous. It just wasn't done back in 1967, unless in liberal San Francisco it was okay.

And the character of Joanna was a joke. Why would this highly intelligent doctor want to marry a bubble headed blonde white woman? Inconceivable.

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One of the obvious things is that Joanna is an only child, and therefore accustomed to being the center of attention.

She is spoiled, was raised with servants and had her needs met instantly throughout her life. She may have subconsciously chosen to fall in love with a man of color to challenge herself because she always got anything she wanted. Her father is a legendary liberal, so she's literally thrown down the gauntlet for him to put his money where his mouth is. In 1967, miscegenation was a brave move, and Joanna may have gotten thrills from shocking folks. She is only 23, and really has no way of knowing the cruel reactions she will get once she hits the streets with John Wade Prentiss.

I found the Joanna character completely obnoxious because princesses like that irritate me. Life is so easy for these kinds of girls in Hollywood fantasies. It gives women utterly unrealistic expectations.

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From a recent interview with Katharine Houghton:

Houghton played Hepburn's daughter in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," but wasn't thrilled with the role because it was so vapid and different from whom she really was. She begged director Stanley Kramer to retain a scene in which her seemingly bubble-headed character shows some smarts and confronts her father with his racism, but "Stanley Kramer said, 'You don't understand America. A lot of people will be upset by this film and if you appear to be an intelligent, articulate young woman who knows what she's getting in for, you're not going to be sympathetic.'

"I said, 'I couldn't disagree with you more. People are going to hate me because I'm a cipher and they're going to say why would a man like Sidney Poitier fall in love with a girl like that? It's more racist that you make me a cipher because you're saying that my being white and pretty is enough and it isn't.'"

The scene was cut . . .

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I'm so glad to see this thread. While I could tolerate the mostly over-perfectness of Sydney Poitier's character, the dopiness of Joanna's character was hard to stomach.

Great to see the quote from the actress herself. How annoying for her to have to have played something so lame in a movie that's so important.

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Thanks for that post.

It affirms what I've thought since I first saw the movie 40 years ago: I hated Houghton's airheaded character, but I figured it was the director's fault, not the actress'.

It's exactly like Houghton said: Every time I see the movie, I wonder how Portier could fall in love with Joey.

'Dinner's' topic was certainly ahead of its time, but some of the characters are so shallow that in other ways it is more dated than it should be. If Kramer thought that a woman couldn't be both intelligent and likeable to viewers, he should have watched a few old Ginger Rogers or Katharine Hepburn movies to see how it was done.

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She was too naive and acted like she did not understand the size of the situation.


I think that was kinda the point. I didn't think that she was "ditzy", just that awkward combination of impatient idealism and the firm belief that all problems have solutions - as a result of her upbringing. Her father is a tremendously wealthy and successful man who made a public show of his opposition to racism. It isn't difficuly to imaging that this girl's childhood has been a constant parade of solutions to problems that, to other people, might seem intractable.

Given that, how could she behave any differently than she did?

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I never could regard the movie as a masterpiece because I couldn't believe this marriage would last. I'm very sorry Katherine Houghton wasn't allowed to play a woman sensible enough to inspire a distinguished doctor old enough to be her father to challenge his parents and the status quo to marry her. Joey's character made John's seem shallow as well--"too perfect," as the complaint goes. But the movie remains tremendously enjoyable in the parents' scenes, and in that sense I concede it's highly watchable.

In my view, Sidney Poitier played a much more convincing character in In the Heat of the Night, where he's smarter than everybody else, but the situation is believable. Racism is much more blatant in this movie, Poitier's Virgil Tibbs is much more angry and defensive than Dr. John Prentiss, and the grudging respect that evolves between Tibbs and Rod Steiger's Gillepsie is truly moving.

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Ms. Houghton was saddled with an Ingenue (young girl) role. She played the daughter of rich, liberal and privileged parents. It was a thankless role. She handled it fine. Get OVER yourself!


"You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

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I watched the movie, the other night, on Turner Classic Movies (for like the 90th time). I STILL didn't dislike Joanna. I've been trying (for 63 fruitless years) to get OVER myself!

"You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

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Is THAT like, I'm okay, you're okay? Okay!!

"You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

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Terrible performance. And annoying. Great movie though.

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"Terrible performance. And annoying. Great movie though."

Oh, well, one-out-of-three ain't bad!

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Not at all! :) . She didn't take away from the film either. Also it didn't help she was surrounded by some fantastic actors.

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i too was annoyed by Houghton's characters naivete and bright-eyed innocence and hopefulness... it was unrealistic

You have to keep in mind that this movie was created with a staunch social purpose...they were trying to persuade people who were against miscegenation (marriage between people of different races) to change their mind and support miscegenation...if Houghton's character wasn't so naive and quite frankly idiotic then people watching the film would of thought Houghton's character was just marrying the black guy to rub her liberal values in everybodies face! But, by having her character be a complete dimwit the audience ( some of which were probably against marriage between persons of opposite race)was left feeling awwwwwe the sweet girl just loves the black guy...and are therefore more likely to say "hey, maybe opposite race marriage isn't so bad after all...who am I to get in between that sweet girl and whoever she chooses to love"

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Her character was very Pollyanna-ish. In that movie Pollyanna always played the glad game in which everything would be alright. Joanna in this movie had the same attitude. Everythng was going to be fine so matter what came up.

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I totally agree, I didn't like her at all. She was too naive and unrealistic. It was hilarious when she was out of the blue joyfully packing for ten years..



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