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What happened at the ending? **SPOILER**


When I first saw this film I thought that the Dr. Watson character had slipped into Holmes' view of the world at the end in the park. In other words, she had slipped into his insanity and saw Moriarity just as Holmes did, but, later when I viewed the film again I felt that the characters had died at the end. Obviously this new understanding of the ending changed the entire feeling of the film for me. It now seems so bittersweet. Did anyone else see it that way?

I know this board isn't getting a lot of traffic, so I will check back once in awhile in the hopes that eventually someone will see this post.

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Hi Whoever You Are,

You appear to have caught the point exactly. This film is a small marvel, a gem to be savored. Unfortunately, far too many out there will not find it so.

That scene where "Holmes" convinces the silent mental patient to speak is one of my all time favorite scenes from films.

I truly love this film and as soon as it came out on DVD, I purchased a copy for my film library. How could I not.

Whoever you are, pat yourself on the back. You are truly one of the few.

Allen

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I saw this movie last night for the first time and loved it. When they are all marching down the street with Holmes I felt almost giddy. It is a treasure.
I was a little confused by the ending, but love it when an author leaves a reader/viewer to make their own deduction. Kind of Holmes-esque in a way. I choose to believe that the horses are real, they hear them because of the nearby riding school. I also think that Holmes is afraid that when facing his final demon (Moriarity)he will be cured of his paranoia and hit with all of the pain he was hiding from. I think that the light may symbolize his realization that Moriarity is the tragedy that drove him to become Holmes in the first place. Only together now with Dr. Watson will he have the strength to face those demons. I loved reading all of your theories, what a great thread!

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This movie is one of my favorites. I always thought they might die at the end, but hoped not. Though any other ending would be sad as well. I'm glad that this discussion is here and that I'm not alone in my appreciation of this really remarkable movie.

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When I first saw the movie I thought that what they thought was a horse was actually a train and they were killed.
I now own the movie and having watched it many times I'm still not sure what happened
The comments here give a lot of food for thought

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It's been over three years since someone posted a response to mcerion's inquiry into the meaning of the end of "They Might Be Giants". Reading the contributions, it was nice to know there were other sensitive, thoughtful souls out there who recognized its value as a wonderful film.

One of the great characteristics of art is the permission for the viewer to formulate one's own interpretation of the work. The author has deliberately left the end of this story undefined, proving Goldman had faith in the wisdom of humantity for each viewer to chose for themself the story's finale.

I hesitate to share my understanding of the ending of this wonderful film for fear it may be too sensible, and thus ruin the beauty of concluding for yourself what the final scene meant.

When I first viewed the film, decades ago, I, too, thought Holmes and Watson perished at the end of the story. The nature of their demise by Moriarity was left purposefully undefined by the author, allowing our imaginations and hearts to form their own conclusions. It was enough they died heroically, in love, together.

When I viewed "They Might Be Giants" recently (2/16/09), I paid more attention in the beginning of the film to the cause of Playfair's "insanity", his heartbreak over the death of his love, his wife, Lucy. As an added observation, before his breakdown, Playfair was a judge.

His nature, when he went insane, then, was to be a crusader for justice, to seek and defeat evil, the creator of misery (death and heartbreak).

By the end of the film, Playfair's alter ego "Holmes" had found true love once again. The source of his insanity, heartbreak over the loss of his wife, Lucy, had been ameliorated by the unexpected love he developed for Dr. Watson (Jo Anne Woodward). Having no longer a need for his alter ego, which sustained him during his enormous grief over the death of his wife, "Holmes" goes out in the only way a genuine hero can, in classic combat-to-the-death, with the world's greatest villain, and source of all cruelty, Moriarity.

"Holmes" had to perish, so Playfair could return to Life, to love his partner, Watson. Watson saw the approach of Moriarity at the end of the film, for her love of "Holmes" made it possible (thus the poetic end title explaining "The heart can see things that are invisible to the eyes.")

As a romantic fool, this is my understanding of the final moments of this beautiful story. It is, of course, only my opinion. I hope it hasn't spoiled anyone else's poetic conclusions. and instead brought some solace, peace, and happiness to your lives.

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I do not have any more insight into the end of this film. I loved this film despite it's ambiguous ending. I just wanted to express how nice it has been reading through the posts on the message board for this film. Most message boards on imdb are full of trolls. It is nice to read such an intelligent conversation about a movie. I hope they re-release this on DVD so more people can see it.

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I first saw TMBG in the early or mid-70's,when in my 20s. It has been a life-long favourite,though I also have others,(including The Fisherking,w/Robin Williams, which does have similar points to make).
I bought a copy of the ink drawing,"Don Quixote In His Libary,by Gustav Dore,
partly because of my love of this film. (It hangs in my office,just to my right,
at present.)Another favourite,the piece of music,"The Impossible Dream," from the play about Quixote,obviously ties into it.
While the complexity of the film requires many points of view,I see it as just an example of mankind dealing with the tragedy of making even one's romantic love be the meaning of your life.Every deep attachment we make is temporary,and to have a relationship w/another human as the meaning in your life brings you to either madness or a deeper awareness/conciousness,your only two options. Epiphany,Revelation,awareness,or expanded conciousness can come,or an escape from the reality/Maya(illusion of the world), I see the Buddhist Maya as very close to what is true.Pain is all we get from developing too deep an attachment to the things of the world,even other people.
Joan Woodward's character,Watson,is interesting,as well.She has an academic detachment that has separated her from relationship,which has been protecting her from the vulnerability that makes her able to deal with helping those in pain.She ends up making a connection that makes her life more meaningful,but still,she follows Holmes into his confrontation with,(what I see as...),a symbol of that miserific epitome of evil that is within nature,...in this case,Moriarity.
I see this all the more clearly,since discovering that the Hebrew word which is translated into the English word,'naked,'in the Old Testament story of Adam & Eve,has three other related English translations,"crafty,subtle,cunning,(not in a good way)."The Hebrew word is used before & after the temptation & fall,& is the same Hebrew word describing the serpent,'subtle.'The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil made them aware that they were 'crafty,subtle,& cunning,(not in good way).'They already were,but could not see it.I believe that dealing with our own natural flaws is both a spiritual & psychological/
soul issue. (Oh.The German word,soule,from which the English word,soul,comes, is the German equivilant of psyche,the Greek word for mind.

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I love this interpretation.

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I too thought that she'd slipped into Justin's world. When he said, just before the final scene, that someone was going to die, I interpreted that as Mildred died and really became Watson. The two of them can finally be together, on the same plane so to speak.

The ending is open to anyone's interpretation, which is great. Excellent movie IMHO.

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This is one of my favorite movies of all time. I love how it honors the simple folk, the unsung and oft-overlooked "nobodys" of society. That one particular scene where Holmes meets Mr. Small in the hallway and speaks to him with such respect is priceless. Or when he has the encounter with the telephone operator. It seems in many ways this little gem reminds us of the significance of every human being. Especially the forgotten and disregarded.

As for the ending: I've always interpreted it as a type of "wedding vow" or marriage proposal scene. Does Watson hear the horse hooves now because she is now one with Holmes? She's on the same page with him? Their love has made them one mind?

When they stand there looking at Moriarity, are they not afraid anymore because they are standing together? "He makes you proud."--"He does." Why do they say this? I wonder if it's a poetic way of saying that it is in the midst of our trials and struggles (Moriarity) that our true humanity--our best selves--come out. And standing there together, in the light, doesn't seem like death, but a triumph scene, that they both stand strong in the face of any enemy. That no matter what, they (we) will be found standing together "in the light." I wonder if that's a statement not just concerning Holmes and Watson, but all of us.

Whatever the ending means, I love it! I also LOVE George C. Scott in this, what an incredible, amazing actor. The scene where he's talking about finding paradise under the soot.... brilliant!!

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I think I get it now. Thanks for all the replies and insights. :D

Watson and Holmes don't necessarily die at the end. They meet their fate. The ominous music and the last line by Holmes "Let it be said that they found us very close together. In the light," doesn't mean that they died, but that by meeting Moriarity, they could die.

This film is about personal heroism. Everyone can be a hero if they can only face up to their personal Moriarity. Even a nobody can be a hero. They simply need to show courage. At the end it doesn't matter whether or not Moriarity is physically real. The only thing that matters is that Watson found the courage to face her personal demons.

The film celebrates all of the unsung heroes and the nobodies who haven't yet found the courage to face Moriarity.

Thanks everyone for helping me to understand this wonderful film. I always loved this movie, but now all the pieces have fallen into place for me.

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The ending of the film is a victim of technical limitations. If the screen could have really gone to "total" white, perhaps in the lab, it would have made more sense. The point is, Watson has crossed over into Playfair's world. She "sees" Moriarty as he does. They finally belong together, "in the light". The final written title is not part of the actual screenplay, but a studio addition. The studio didn't seem to trust the film as written, and they botched it up. If you can ever find the published screenplay (a Lancer paperback), you'll see what I mean.

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i am simply amazed, frankly, that a movie I have watched and re-watched and treasured for over 30 years has such a following that I could find spontaneous, intelligent and insightful comment here, or anywhere. I honestly had never met a person who recognized even the name of the movie (as a reference from from Don Quixote), let alone the movie itself. I cannot improve on the observations and theories above, but can only say that my feeling was always that the two died (influenced probably by the horse reference and the white light), though "death" in this context can mean "translation" to an altered perception in which Holmes and Watson indeed take on their character's qualities. Alternatively, that "translation" could be the release in each as they recognize the other as their needed counterpart to battle their interior demons, finally identified and solidified for them. The two are not so far from each other, after all . . . The most valuable part of this movie, to me, is the ability to watch it repeatedly and find new gems and thoughts reflecting your own stage and current perspective. That is superior moviemaking, and perhaps the point of all storytelling.

To all those who enjoy the thought-provoking, I salute you!

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I think all these posts are just spectacular. Now I have to watch this film again.

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I'm new to the site so I'm getting in late but wanted to add my two cent's worth...there have been some very insightful postings as to the meaning of the ending and I think all of them are probably correct: like "2001, a space odyssy" the ending is however you perceive it, different for each viewer. Maybe because I am an eternal optimist, I have always felt it was that "Watson" (because of her love for "Holmes") crossed over willingly into his "world" and became part of it...that the horse hooves were Moriarty coming upon them and that she saw it just as he did...whether it was a train,bus,or police,they both together saw it as Moriarty....of course thats my opinion...and I have really enjoyed reading all the others...such a great movie,excellent writing and acting...now if I can just find a copy to buy....

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In "reality", it's probably just one of the many horse-drawn carriages working their way through Central Park all day, every day. What happens after the screen goes white is anybody's guess, and nobody's business. The story simply doesn't go there.

I like to think they have a go at the carriage like Don Quixote has a go at his windmill. The carriage speeds off, the world is still here, and they laugh all the way home alive and triumphant in their victory, but that's just me. I wouldn't have the ending any other way.

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I thought the many replies on this movie were OUTSTANDING.

What struck home for me is mcerion's comment about:

"This film is about personal heroism" and facing up to one's demons.

I have a social anxiety disorder, previously called social phobia, and the recovery method most reliable for this is what's called "graded exposure therapy" or "in-vivo desensitization" which literally means facing your fears in person. Its very difficult to do, that is to confront one's fears because, because they're contained in our primitive limbic fear system (emotion based) and are not subject to the rational cerebral coretex part of the brain.

Anyway, i became part of the staff of a SAD non-profit organization. So one day, i went down and joined a local support group of the National Alliance of the Mentally Ill (NAMI) to see how they ran and organized their support groups. For 6 months i went to their meetings. NAMI traditionally is populated by patients and families of folks with either schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, bi-polar, depression, i.e, the really difficult mental illnesses that make my anxiety problem a walk in the park.

The courage displayed at these meetings was consistently impressive and heart-warming. If you want to see heroism on a daily basis, go see someone that is struggling daily with a mental illness. Perhaps thats why i get such a thrill out of seeing this film, it works on so many levels. Its about the process of life, not the ending. The last quote of the film about the heart seeing what the eyes cannot. So this film is about "heart" and courage and facing demons. Good comments all.

Phil

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I loved this film so much i did a paper on it for a film class. Which means nothing much, except to say I thought a lot about it.

As for the ending, I think it is purposefully unclear and to say what it means is to say what a Dylan song means or what Picasso meant by that painting.

Personally, I took it to mean that Watson had finally freed herself up to feel life and not just think about it.

Holmes admitted to his own feelings and recovered some of himself. He stepped back toward a healthier life by caring for someone else and admitting that feeling to her.

Who was coming? Policeman on a horse? One of those NYC horse Carriages? A random rider? Death? It's up to you.

I love the poem at the end. It probably informs the ending the director intended more than anything. Re-read that poem if you want MY ending of the film.

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I had always assumed that the clopping of a horse's (only one) hooves was from an approaching London hansom cab carrying Professor Moriarty (with, perhaps, a henchman or two) to a final, decisive, existential battle with Holmes and Watson -- which Holmes knows he might well lose -- and that Watson and Holmes (and us) were now "in" the fog of late Victorian London -- and that the distance between fantasy and reality was much narrower and less distinct than is usually believed.

They might be giants indeed...

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First of all, i don't think they died at the end....it is just the begining...
it is a love story....and finally at the end Watson has let go of all her professional concerns.... out of love....live or die, they are now unified for the fight

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I worked in a movie theater in high school, and the theater showed this film when it first came out. Its interesting when you work in a theater and see a film over and over - you begin to notice things. For instance - there is a scene when JoAnne Woodward puts an eyelash on her LEFT eye in front of a mirror, then goes to the kitchen to tend to something overboiling on the stove, then comes back to the mirror and removes the same eyelash from her RIGHT eye.

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For me the movie brought the Audience as close as possible to see a giant instead of a windmill or in this case in the end the Audience perceives it might be Moriarty

There were some bautiful posts here and this movie deserves them

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I don't think the gangsters drove up and shot them.

It didn't end at all---they're still there, standing very close together and in the light.

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I disagree with the assumption that they are dead at the end of the film. Yes he said let them find our bodies together, but that's his fear that after meeting Moriarity they will be killed. But who is it they meet is it moriarity, or is it just the truth of everything. Does Moriarity exist at all, or is it all in his mind? That is the questions we must answer. The filmmakers give us a lady or a tiger ending. They leave it all up to us. If you feel he died that that's the ending you came up with. I feel that it is Moriarity as James Tolkin's character of the guy who is following them, is never explained. Does he work for Justin's brother. the doctor, or perhaps for Moriarity. I think it is Moriarity, or that he is Moriarity himself. I think that they do bring him down and go on to many other mysteries. But that's the romantic in me. As I said the ending is all up to the viewer, that's why I love it so much. No explainations at all, so stop looking for them.

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All of these well thought out posts are evidence of what a superb film this is and how well it's held up over the years. But going through everybody's theories for the ending (and most, if not all, of them hold serious water) I started asking myself - what's the happy ending? What's the change in the Justin/Watson dynamic that allows them some happiness and catharsis? It's not them dying, surely - in any fashion. It's certainly not Justin being "cured." And in a way it's not even Watson's joining Justin in his Holmes reality. Looking at everyone's very personal opinions here, it strikes me that there's no ending that would be satisfactory. This is definitely one case where the ambiguous ending is truly earned and is a blessing - prudent, intimate storytelling - because following them into either a fantasy or a harsher reality would undermine everything that built up to that moment. And that moment is, everyone seems to agree, a pitch perfect way to leave them. Because depending on your outlook as a viewer, their triumph or their failure - whichever is more potent and appropriate to you as a romantic or a pragmatist - that moment is suspended, but not necessarily definitive. It can be open ended, it can be closure. There are great arguments for almost any scenario, but almost anything would certainly demystify the preceding. The ending as is is just kind of magic. The cherry on top of a magnificent film.

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My gosh, so many interpretations of the ending. And I don't want to argue or tell people they're wrong, but I must testify to my own observations. And I say: Of course they were about to die. That's the only interpretation that works. Any other scenario would have meant that Holmes/Playfair was indeed merely a lunatic. No, I would rather believe he was on the trail of something, something very elusive and very evil and very fundamental, and the world was simply beyond human ability to redeem. Isn't that what we're living through? Life with death waiting inevitably at the end, and in the meantime, so many ways to go astray or be dragged down by mishaps or by others that have gone astray. Life is a struggle even for the most privileged of us. Playfair learned this and went mad, leaving a vacuum in his soul that was filled by Holmes. And Holmes was rendered less vulnerable than Playfair by his lack of humanity. Until Watson, who served as a bridge by which the intellect Holmes could regain his lost soul. And this opened the window for a moment of love, a thing that had supposedly died with Playfair. Holmes is human again, and he has his love; these things are miracles. Oh, yes, and he's vulnerable too, and Moriarity has been given his chance to strike and finish off Holmes, and this turn of events is unstoppable. But isn't it worth it? Wouldn't you say the doomed Holmes, and the likewise-doomed Watson, have gotten the better end of this bargain? This night they lived. They found the thing that so many don't find in a lifetime. "Let it be said that they found us very close together. In the light." Can one go into eternity, as we are all doomed to do, on a better note than that? I think not.

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OK, I like an amalgamation of ideas to explain the meaning of the end of this one. Holmes was in fact his own arch enemy (Moriarity) who acted to block the memories of his true identity. The loss of his first wife, Lucy, was simply too much for Justin Playfair to handle. Thus, the alter ego of Holmes was created as a survival mechanism until an "adequate" replacement could be found in the lovely Dr. Watson. I do think that death is implied at the end, but I like to see it as the death of the personas of Holmes and Watson, and the beginning of a lasting partnership based in the real world. Watson was perfectly willing to throw away her old existance and believe in Holmes or even Moriarity all for the sake of love. This act of self sacrifice was enough to cure Justin's psychosis and with Watson at his side, he is able to face his past and proceed into the future as himself.

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