Does the word mean something OTHER than an*l s3x? Or even examples of non-consensual acts as such? Is it a word often meaning something ELSE as well, like maybe negative? Anyone know, thanks.
shareApparently it used to just mean any unusual, abnormal, non-mainstream, or perverse sexual activity. It's used with such a connotation in Everything You Always Wanted to Know (But Were Afraid to Ask) - at least the film verison.
shareAnd in the context of this film, the word "sodom" means something akin to perverse sexual violations, yes?
shareI haven't seen the film or read the book, I merely "know of" them, but in the context of de Sade's work, I'd say yes, that's what it means, but it's also a reference to the Biblical city of Sodom, burned from the face of the Earth for its indulgence in perversion, vice, and evil.
de Sade was probably going, "This is a story about people who recreated the unbridled debauchery of Sodom and Gomorrah".
FYI, you can say anal sex on this board.
shareFair enough BUT (no pun intended haha), I sometimes censor sexually related words because for me PERSONALLY that way they are easier to deal with and PLUS, PARADOXICALLY, I didn't necessarily want the thread as such to be MOSTLY about "it", given what else we see in the movie, especially since I suspected the word "sodom", and in this movie's case also, means more than what I, and some of us others, may also think it does.
FYI you're welcome BUT, again, please also state - what does, to you, the word "sodom" means including in the context of this movie and its title - Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom, thanks.
In the context of the film, it refers to the Biblical city of Sodom.
Sodom (along with Gomorrah) was destroyed by God in Genesis, because its inhabitants were sinful. The exact sins of the people of Sodom are never entirely clarified in The Bible (They seem to be many), although the initial story told in Genesis seems to concern an instance of attempted (homosexual) gang rape. God had already decided to destroy Sodom before this incident happens though.
'Sodomy' came to mean sexual acts that were considered against god or nature. 'Sodomy' was any sexual act that is not procreative. ie, anything other than vaginal sex. Nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality. There are still places where 'sodomy' continues to be legally defined this way - so that 'sodomy' encompasses both anal and oral penetration.
Passolini parallels the final days of Salo - the rump Fascist government of Italy, based in Salo at the end of WWII - with the final days of Biblical Sodom, before it was destroyed.
(The original de Sade text, The 120 Days of Sodom, does the same thing but is set towards the end of the reign of Louis the 14th.)
So... the film is not specifically about 'sodomy' as commonly used or legally defined. It's about Sodom: it's about debauchery, degeneracy, moral bankruptcy and imminent destruction.
"'Sodomy' was any sexual act that is not procreative. ie, anything other than vaginal sex."
"Nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality."
You literally typed these two sentences back to back.
> sexual act that is not procreative
> Nothing to do with homosexuality
If it's a sexual act that is not procreative, how is it "nothing to do with homosexuality?"
You can't really be this stupid.
sharePlease, educate me.
Homosexuality is by definition not procreative. So, please explain how it has nothing to do with homosexuality.
Homosexuality is a form of sexual attraction. I would've thought from context it was fairly obvious that I was using the word homosexuality and heterosexuality as being distinct from a homosexual or heterosexual act. (Because 'homosexuality' wouldn't equate to 'sodomy', would it? So it would be misleading to claim it did.)
I've already covered which sexual acts are covered in the definition of sodomy. You want me to clarify that sodomy was/is an umbrella term that would include many homosexual acts by dint of homosexual acts being non-procreative? Or that it isn't exclusively about homosexual acts?
Fine. But I already addressed this more than adequately in my first response. You were being obtuse.
The point is that there can be sexual contact that is not procreative that does not involve another man. Oral or anal sex between a man and a woman, for example, is not procreative nor homosexual.
shareSure, let's concede that you are correct, presumptively. There can be sexual acts of a heterosexual nature. Which means that it would be just as misguided to say that sodomy has nothing to do with heterosexuality.
Sodomy does in fact have something to do with homosexuality, the same as your example with heterosexuality. So to say it has nothing to do with homosexuality is false.
How is this hard?
Also, no offense AP but when you first responded here with THIS, I was like "Never mind what I "can" or "cannot" "say", just answer the MAIN question please, thank you." but then I realized, hell, no one is ever perfect on these boards and in any case, I didn't ask a question over here based on what mild word censorship (but NOT to the point that it isn't even slightly "clear) I may use but still, would've been nice if you followed it up with "I believe, or, according to the dictionary definition of Oxford University era blah blah blah, "the word" ultimately means "this" and in the context of this controversial MOVIE, it also means "this and that" and is not just limited to "a particular kind of sexual activity" like some may think etc."
shareWhy are you responding to a conversation we had and concluded 24 days ago?
shareHahahaha, no worries mate, I was kinda kidding.
The point also being - I'm not a censorship LOVER but I ALSO don't speak too ill about it and some sexual terms online even IF "acceptable" I prefer to type with half word censorship for fun but also, as in case of the movie "Seven" where it is spelled "Se7en" (1995), I use numbers instead of letters to see how it comes across, its no big deal but at the same time doesn't diminish the main objective of the thread which is to ask/address something even out of curiosity.
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I do t answer questions.
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