And in the process, maybe even come out victorious and somehow escape the hell in which they found themselves trapped in? Or did those 4 people completely have an upper hand in every way, shape and form?
shareI seem to remember a few guards with machine guns as well.
shareSo, on the most basic level of theory, the answer, either way you cut it, is no. No worries, thanks. I sort of thought so.
shareLike, maybe they could've pulled an "Escape From Sobibor" (1988) on them when those Jewish captives decided to fight back and escape, however difficult and not without problems, that it was for them. (That film by the way, which also stars the late Rutger Hauer, is very good, and fans of such works as "Schindler's List" (1993) et all should definitely see it. One of the scenes in it is in its own way as harrowing as anything seen in this one, Salo, or even such other works as Emir Klimov's brilliant "Come and See" (1985) - one of my all time favorite movies.)
shareNever heard of the film Escape From Sobibor (then again I've never been fond of TV movies, but I am a big fan of Rutger Hauer). Thanks for that suggestion, I've just added it to my watchlist. Someday I'll see if I can check it out somewhere if they have it available for streaming or whatnot.
shareWe watched that film at school back around October 2001.
shareI agree with christomacin. They could have fought, but they would have been killed.
shareBetter to die trying than to die a slave.
shareIn the case of this movie, I totally agree.
shareThat's true, but I think at least in this movie they probably didn't think anything that bad would happen to them in the end except some sex with a few gross old dudes. They weren't Jews or Partisans or Romany, as far as I remember, and probably assumed since they were average Italian gentiles nothing would happen to them they couldn't live through... they were wrong.
In any case, Pasolini intended this as an allegory for modern consumerism as much, if not more, than about Italian Fascism, so a certain sheepish willingness on the part of the captives to take it up the kazoo and ask for seconds was intentional on his part, even if the reactions of the captives may not have been wholly realistic. There is some precedent with the Jews in the extermination camps who helped round people up and did what they had to do to survive, and the fairly rare instance of armed uprisings (Sobibor being a notable exception). The difference is, the people in Sobibor KNEW what was happening while these young people had no idea what was about to happen to them.
"That's true, but I think at least in this movie they probably didn't think anything that bad would happen to them in the end except some sex with a few gross old dudes" But that in itself can be humiliating, right?
shareOne can usually recover from humiliation. If one knows that they will be killed they will most often fight back, but often a kidnapping victim will do what they can to stay alive.
shareInterestingly enough, I will draw another film comparison and parallel.
In the film "Blindness" (2008), many audiences have complained that somehow Julianne Moore's character did not take full advantage of her sight and take on a group of blind evil men in that hospital ward and even agreed to have sex (which many audiences identified as 'rape' with her as a victim) in order to avoid being starved to death and also have a few people including one child have food.
Based on that example, would you say her character has humiliated herself sexually and was 'raped' in that scenario but in this one, she actually, even with some loss of dignity, recovered from it and was also somewhat "willing" as long as she got food, and she even agreed to take part in the scenario to pay back he husband for cheating on her.
And if you compare this scenario to what you see in Salo before all the de-facto tortures and violent sexual abuse begin, would you say that "sex with a few gross dudes" was also a form of "rape" and "sexual abuse" in and of itself or was it not quite "that", as MAYBE the scenario in "Blindness" wasn't quite "it" or maybe it all WAS but that in some cases, regardless of law and morality (though in both Salo's and Blindness' cases the laws stopped working for a while due to a crisis, in Salo its WW2, in Blindness a pandemic that caused most of the population to go blind) say, its more possible to RECOVER in SOME cases than others, but then if LAW found out and WORKED, the perpetrator who say MANIPULATED someone into sex can ALSO be arrested and charged with it, just as they would if they officially and violently forced themselves on their victim without their proverbial 'consent' - at least in TODAY'S day and age, yes?