Boiling scene - Shogun (1980) Discussion

[–] turtletommy 16 years ago

I seem to recall a scene like that- one of the Erasmus' crew was put in a large cauldron and boiled alive while his crewmates had to listen to his torture from below in their jail pit I believe. It may have been water instead of oil but whatever!

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[–] kristijan_bagi 16 years ago

Yeesh!

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[–] smcallis 15 years ago

It was water, the Japanese boiled captives alive in 180 water so as to prolong the torture. The hapless sailor was actually boiled at the pleasure of Lord Yabu, who enjoyed strolling in his moon lit garden to the sounds of human suffering. I guess he didn't have an i-pod.

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[–] gigantes 15 years ago

> I guess he didn't have an i-pod.

that WAS his i-pod.

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[–] wknight7 15 years ago

Funny... didn't have an i-pod.

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[–] dosdanmalo 13 years ago

And? Who said they didn't? The world's power mongers have often been unimaginably cruel, whatever their races or countries of origin. I guess it's not hip to point that out these days though, eh? More fashionable to wallow in PC half-truths at some armchair leftist paradise of a university where we can all learn to loathe ourselves and fantasize about how perfect the world used to be, I guess.

European violence has obviously been well chronicled. In no way did Europe ever have a monopoly on cruelty, though. Study the Mongols, Turks, Aztecs (and their ancestors) and the Muslims in India (in addition to the Japanese through the ages, of course) for just a smattering of the happy stories that have complemented the atrocities carried out by the European nobility/clergy and their henchmen.

Human history is a bag of blood, Hittites to Hitler, and it's been spilled on just about everyone. Hopefully, we'll evolve out of this unfortunate tendency someday. Double standards and revisionist fantasies won't get us there, though. If I'm preaching to the choir, I apologize. The out of nowhere "yeah but what about Europe" comment on a message board about a specific event that took place in Shogun led me to believe otherwise...

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[–] liscarkat (16907) 2 months ago

Without a thermometer, how did they know it was 180 degrees?

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[–] cobracmmndr 14 years ago

I dunno if it's in the movie (probably), but yes. In the book, one of Blackthorne's crew (Pieterzoon) was boiled alive by order of Kasigi Yabu.

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[–] lemner 13 years ago

In the book he is boiled in water, with cold water to revive him at one point because he passed out too soon for the pleasure of the psychopath lord that ordered the torture. Apparently it was merely done for his sexual pleasure, as he was attended by a female and a male prostitute (or whatever the cultural term was), who were ordered to scratch him on his thighs until he climaxed (during the screaming). My dad was very impressed with the book and wanted his kids to read it, so I started to. When I read about the boiling, it was so sickening that I quit, much to my dad's disappointment. Much later I was able to read the novel, and found that torture scene to be by far the worst of the whole thing, so I was able to get through the rest with no problem.

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[–] colbhoy 13 years ago

It is very vividly described in the book. The crew had to draw lots to see which one of them would be killed at sunrise. What they did not know was how they would be killed and in particular that the boiling started when "the moon was high" and would be timed so that death occured many hours later at sunrise.

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[–] vicky_lc2001@yahoo.com (1721) a month ago

How old were you guys when your father mad you read the book?

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[–] ra75 8 years ago

You bet! This I saw this on TV in 1981, and the screams still haunts me today.

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[–] Stratego (29389) 4 years ago

That scene is stupid, because it didn't really happen.

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[–] vicky_lc2001@yahoo.com (1721) a month ago

Blacktorne really pissed me off in this scene, he was already warned that if he does not behave, one of his men will be boiled alive. And what does he do? He curses and cusses at him. So a young man had to be boiled for him to submit.

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