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Macgyver = retarded?


I recently bought the entire series, and for the most part, I enjoy the series a lot.

However, Mac's pathological aversion to using a gun is Monk-esque. In the pilot, Mac uses an macine gun twice. The episode where Mac and his grand dad are being chased by 8 armed killers.....and Mac ko's several of the gun men, only to leave the guns behind.....was tough to believe.

One of the ongoing characters, Jack Dalton, a chronic liar, and most likely a sociopath, makes each episode, with him in it, a carbon copy of the last one. Jack lies, suckers Mac to go along with an impossible scheme. If Mac is such a genius.....why does he seem surprised when Jack's plan ends in disaster.

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Mac has a personal reason not to use guns. He's not retarded, he's an idealist.

Saying that Jack is a sociopath goes too far, what would Murdoch be then? Jack does have some bad qualities in him, but few qualities don't yet make the character a sociopath.

That Mac uses a gun in the pilot is probably only due to production issues: the developers hadn't yet decided which type of character Mac would develop into.


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Sure he uses the gun in the pilot, but if you notice there are several things in the pilot that are different than the rest of the series....including the fact that the dude who played Mac's boss was playing a different character, his boss in the ep was different. You've got to figure, at the point they are doing the pilot the writers haven't had the time to create a backstory (a full one) for a character, things will change once the show actually hits series status.
later in the series (post-pilot) we see why Mac dislikes guns, because of the accidental death of a friend when they were kids so he has a valid/personal reason for not using them. Mac was by no means retarded.

Jack was a conman, a (at times) bad friend that took advantage of Mac, a pathological liar, but not a sociopath - he never intended to hurt anyone, he didn't set out to cause harm, he was more focused on a big payday. I do agree that it was a bit redundant that the eps involving him he could alwas sucker Mac into a scam with little or no trouble. Mac kind of had a blind/trusting spot for his friend and was always willing to give him the benifit of a doubt even if he gets burned each time.

Murdoc was the sociopath, he enjoyed causing suffering and death.




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Well yeah, they are smart. There's a reason that firearms are the tool of choice for the military and law enforcement. They are relatively inexpensive, tough, light and easily carried, transported, and stored, easily cleaned or rebuilt, upgradable, their ammunition is relatively cheap, and they are powerful.

Most of MacGyver's "engineering skills" are the fantasy of television writers, not reality. Please don't get yourself killed trying to use branches, wire, tape, and such to jury rig a gadget of some kind - it wasn't REAL.

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RDA insists that any show he's in has an anti-gun aspect.. He obviously used them in SG1, but his character's son accidentally killed himself with his side arm..

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His son accidentally killing himself is actully carried over from the movie. As for thinking he's retarded you obviously don't know what that means. I think at times his idealism also led to him being gulliable at times, although I think sometimes the writers just got lazy too.

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Kids are safer knowing how to use guns from a young age IMO.. I grew up moving between the city, and extremely rural country where everybody carried a rifle incase of moose/bear incidents.. City kids are scary when they get their hands on a gun..

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The episode where Mac and his grand dad are being chased by 8 armed killers.....and Mac ko's several of the gun men, only to leave the guns behind.....was tough to believe.

Speaking as someone who's never used a gun before - I wouldn't even know where the safety catch is, how to reload, how to hold it so that the kick doesn't knock me off my feet, etc. Seems to me that for someone like me (or Mac), picking up a gun and trying to use it for the first time like that might not be the best idea.

As for the no gun thing, always thought it was kind of realistic for a spy, actually.


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Yes, using his wits instead of a gun may have been why it was around for 7 seasons. I love the show, my kids watched the show and loved it--and I wasn't trying to shield them from it because it wasn't all about killing the bad guy with a gun. The show was witty and dramatic--you don't see that anymore.. so when they decided to go the "no gun route" after the first episode and use Macgyverisms instead--it became a terrific show that hasn't been duplicated.

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Agree, though I think some modern shows like Burn Notice are in the same vein (more outwitting than outgunning your enemy). Never as good, though.

The other thing I loved about MacGyver was the diversity of the episodes. Other shows from that era found a niche and stuck to it (A-Team = action, Airwolf = espionage, Magnum = detective, etc). Whereas MacGyver kind of covered all of that. You'd see him breaking a political prisoner out of a Soviet prison, then the next episode he'd be solving an LA street crime, then the next episode he'd be stumbling across and helping some "if you're in trouble, if no one else can help you" people. The fact that he was all over the place made for a variety of plotlines that was really fun to watch.


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Mac was in the military (I don't remember which branch, but he served in Vietnam), and so must have been skilled with various types of guns.

But this is a good point regarding lots of shows and movies that have characters pick up a gun for the first time and have no problems with the safety catch, and have perfect aim.

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If you keep watching you'll find out why he doesn't use guns. It stems from an incident that happened to a friend when they were kids.


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Considering he survived seven seasons without having to use a gun, or more specifically fire a gun since in one episode he uses a handgun to undo a bolt, I think is testament to the fact he never needed to. I think if he had been killed in like the second season he might deserve some flack but as it is he didn't use guns because of his personal experience and the fact he didn't need to.

At least it was better than the A-Team who were forever firing guns but never actually shot anyone.

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He actually DID use a gun in one of the opening gambits, too. Not only in the pilot.

The opening gambit had a military woman tied into a chair, and MacGyver saving her from a beach house. Then he takes a gun and points it at the bad guys, obviously ready to shoot them if they make a wrong move. I think he then explains the turn of the events to someone on the phone, and that's about it.

Can't remember which episode it is, but I'd say it's an episode from seasons 01-03.

But the show did get pretty ridiculous many times - sometimes I had to shake my head and say aloud: "That is so stupid!". I mean, the lowest common denominator has to be able to feel that they are smarter than TV, so MacGyver had to be dumbed down. It wouldn't take many seconds for a regular individual to read "Murdoc" from the 'poem' that Penny gets in the awful 'theater' episode. But it takes MacGyver a really long time and he has to even mark it blue before he can read it! All just so that the audience would be served. Kind of sickening.

Many things are done in the show like that, for 'cinematic' reasons or 'for audience's benefit', which means that realism and intelligence flies straight into the garbage dump. And the political correctness always worsens the plots, and creates a lot of implausibility. Especially the fema-fascist stuff and the misandry. There's always "strong women" in the show, the kind that do not actually exist in real life, but we are supposed to accept it. When was the last time you knew of two feminine sisters who do a lot of rock climbing? When was the last time you saw a woman plan and lead a terrorist attack? When was the last time you saw a relatively attractive, young, slim woman, who is actually a hitman who 'negotiates' the best deal for herself, instead of taking the easy route of using her sexual power for money and resources, like women usually do?

Also, some of the 'escapes' are just so stupidly, predictably 'cinematic', so movielike, implausible in all possible levels, and the villains ALWAYS leave them alone and give them plenty of time so they can escape, and then assume they are dead, and then are surprised to see them alive, and so on..

And then there are the sappy 'romantic' "let's shed tears now to violin music for 15 minutes before we show anything intelligent"-moments and even whole episodes that really did not offer much to the viewer. But that's pretty much true for every show like this. There doesn't seem to be a show (or a movie) aimed at MEN ONLY, it's always fabricated so that "women will enjoy it too", basically catering mostly to women, and giving men just enough so that they will keep watching despite all the fema-fascist stuff and misandry, 'romance' crap and 'I am a woman, hear me roar'-bullshít.

I guess it's not really MacGyver's fault, but these are some of the points I think need to be mentioned whenever someone starts analysing the show or praising it in some way.

It's a RELATIVELY good show, if you take all this into account, but it surely had a _LOT_ of unbelievable (in all senses of the word) STUPIDITY and political correctness all over the place.

I just wish there could be a TV show about MacGyverisms that would really be about MacGyverisms - no romance, not necessarily even women actors WHATSOEVER - just good stories and plots, lots of 'MacGyverisms' and that'd be enough. It would be great!

But then, I wish there could be a movie that is space-themed, time travel-themed, Sci-Fi-themed, computer-themed, car-themed, technology-themed, future-themed, "different reality"-themed, et cetera, without it EVER having to have any kind of romance or even women in it, other than the way women existed in the early James Bond movies, perhaps (Goldfinger excluded, of course).

I mean, women HAVE all their "100% romance"-movies, why can't men have "100% intelligent, interesting plot"-movies?

WHY, MATRIARCHY?

Oh, yeah. Forgot. Men have no rights, men are just animals and work machines, free bodyguards for women, and meal/resource tickets for women, right?

Like they say in a poster: "Stop violence against women. But not against men." Hypocrisy at it's best. All violence should be stopped, not just against 50% of humanity based on their physical bodies! That's discrimination, but people don't seem to notice it much, the brainwashed sheeple that they are.

Anyway, yeah.. MacGyver is a relatively good show, if all this is taken into account and realized it's not all the show's own fault (if they hadn't incorporated all this stupidity into the show, the show would've been cancelled).

But it definitely has it's awfully stupid moments that even the biggest fans of the show must feel ashamed of.

Btw, MacGyver's values are really out of whack .. but of course, from the establishment-controlled boob tube, what else could be expected? He has no qualms about working for a group of organized murderers, he thinks a piece of this planet is somehow more valuable than others, he doesn't think pride is a sin, just to mention a few - it goes on.

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I think I understand what you're saying but people who love the show because it was different, because he came up with ways other than guns to help people is why it lasted 7 seasons. It's TV, so of course some of it's unrealistic, especially since it ended over 20 years ago but I watch the repeats whenever I can and am certainly not in the minority. People who want to insult the show really should just not bother to watch it or post on this board.

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I have a cousin who reminds me a lot of MacGyver. No joke. Once in a while he does something incredibly stupid and I could never figure out why. Then I realized even a genius does not know everything. No one is perfect.

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Gee: I wonder why you dislike someone that doesn't want to use guns.

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