MovieChat Forums > Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) Discussion > 45 minutes of brilliance then....

45 minutes of brilliance then....


It really is like nothing I've ever seen in a movie before. I remember seeing this movie in the theater when it came out. I was 13 years old at the time and I think still feel the same way. Never have I seen a movie that could draw me in so much and then let me down just as much. Thunderdome, Bartertown, Master Blaster, Tina Turner and lots more odd and interesting characters make the first 45 minutes of this film among the best I have ever seen only to be let down by the plot of Captain Walker, Tomorrow morrow land and just a bunch of kids and stories that just seemed an excuse to explain things more. I guess my point is I think the movie would have worked so much better without hearing these stories and gone off in a much more interesting direction. Does it ruin the movie? It kind of does for me. While this is only my opinion I love discussing the movie with people. It means something different to everyone but most I have talked to agree that it loses its focus. I am by all means no screenwriter but I think the majority of Mad Max fans could have watched fights in thunderdome and a lot of great creative violent matches while possibly piecing together a much better resolution for the rest of the movie and called this a masterpiece. I don't even think it would have taken too much effort. It just hurts to see what I feel could have been one of the all time greatest movie achievements. Only my opinion. I do not try to force people into not liking the movie just feel that it was so great and then went bad.

reply

I think Max should have shot the kids when he had the chance...apart from the tall, dark haired bird (Savannah?). She may have come in handy on those cold, dark desert nights.

But otherwise, nope. It didn't ruin it for me.

When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

reply

The kids were a definite let-down, and the biggest drawback of the film. Like you, I saw it in the theater (I was 17) and loved the first part of the film. The car chases at the end are magnificent, too - almost as brilliant as the ones in Mad Max 2/The Road Warrior.

The problem with the children in Beyond Thunderdome is that they added a "cutesy" element that really undermined the film. They hurt it the same way the Ewoks undermined Return of the Jedi. I'm sure that's why Beyond Thunderdome rated as low as it did on IMDb. All other elements of the film were quite strong.



"You can dish it out, but you got so you can't take it no more." - Caesar Enrico Bandello

reply

Thanks for all your great replies. Ewoks in Return of the Jedi is a very good comparison but I don't think Ewoks hurt Jedi nearly as much because each Star Wars movie seemed to be different in tone. Ewoks were annoying in their own right but Jedi never lost its focus or overall goal. In the Mad Max world we want Max the bad ass and lots of cool car chases and more. Thunderdome, one of the greatest movie concepts ever, runs out of gas. No pun intended.

reply

Yeah, but on the other hand I love the Ewoks.


http://www.rateyourmusic.com/~JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies

reply

Yeah, I always liked Ewoks too and most people I know did as well. My aunt even had a Yorkshire Terrier that she named Ewok. I don't know why there's so much animosity towards them these days. Seems like people are just becoming more cynical and less fun in general.

Conform or be cast out

reply

I'm definitely of the belief that once Max goes "Beyond Thunderdome" the movie never really recovers. The first half hour was already very PG compared to the last two flicks but it was still well executed with a lot of cool characters and concepts. Once we move "Beyond Thunderdome" the movies tone gets even lighter and then it turns into some family fun movie. As a kid in the 80's I didn't mind this but growing up the center of the movie really kills everything and even the finale is rather ridiculous. Still, it could have been much much worse.

reply

[deleted]

No way. The second half feels like it's from a different movie. "Peter Pan vs. the Apocalypse," maybe. And the final chase scene, while pretty cool, feels almost obligatory. It's like they got 3/4 of the way thru writing a Mad Max movie and realized they didn't have a Mad Max-style crazy car chase.

That's the secret ingredient to eggs erroneous!

reply

I was thinking the same thing! the first 45 minutes are great! And then there's this ridiculously stupid peter pan storyline that totally ruined the second half of the film. what the hell were they thinking when they came up with that?

reply

ITT - IMDb posters miss the point.

Learn 2 allegory, fools. Also -

It felt like it came from a different movie


Oh, how I hate when people say this about a film.


thefilmist.wordpress.com

reply

Oh, how I hate when people say this about a film.


Well they did have a second director who was specifically hired to helm a lot of the kid related scenes; so saying it feels like a different movie isn't entirely off base.

reply


It wasn't specifically the children's scenes - but, being that he was a director who'd came from theatre, Ogilvie had a lot more experience in dealing with children. This, by itself, doesn't cause too much of a stylistic disconnect from what had come before.



thefilmist.wordpress.com

reply

I hate Mad Max 3. I've never been so disappointed by a sequel. Except possibly Alien vs. Predator...

Mad Max 2 is one of my all-time favourite films. Even today it's lost none of its intensity and spectacle. Beyond Thunderdome feels like they took a film from a different series, tagged a car chase on the end and called it Mad Max.

reply

There is a sequel to Aliens vs Predator? And you could possibly expect it to be good enough that you could be disappointed? My expectations of such a thing would be so low that it couldn't help but exceed them.

reply

I meant AVP as a sequel to the Alien/Predator films, which I love. I was only a teenager when it came out, and to be honest it was one of the first "let's make a new entry in a classic series" films that they made as far as I can remember, so I didn't have anything else to gauge it against.

reply

Really? I thought AVP was awesome, especially after Alien 3 and 4, which I hated. AVPR on the other hand, is retarded as hell.

reply

I too thought the film was pretty good until Blaster died. The kids really ruin it for me. But the chase at the end was pretty awesome, especially with that one small guy with the head on a stick who would not die.

I only watch the film for MasterBlaster and the little guy who would cheat death every single time. I skip the middle entirely.

reply

Yeah, it was a letdown after they introduced the kids. There is barely any character development with them, and they were unmemorable, unlike the characters in Bartertown, who were much more interesting. Would've liked the movie more if they concentrate on Mad Max himself.

"Goats and monkeys!"-Othello, Act IV,Scene 1

reply

I remember thinking the same exact thing when I was 5 years old....

reply

The second half seemed more authentic than the first. PG-rating and ROTJ infused the entire movie already, so even the first half which is supposed to be reminiscent of MM2 comes across as fake and cheesy.

There still are memorable moments that can stand on their own, but there's nothing at stake - no blood; guts; only one gun that scuffs hair...it's like WWF for tweens.

At least with the second half, it openly shows itself as a kid/adventure movie. You're not going to have massive gore and sliced heads with a roaming band of kids.

reply

Thought I'd check in since I haven't in awhile and this is my most compelling topic. lol. In response to last post whether it openly shows itself as a kids/adventure film or disguises it as such, that's not what most of us Mad Max fans want to see and George Miller should have known better when he spun it in that direction. Hey he tried something he believed in it just didn't work in my opinion. I respect your opinion but you say in the first part of your post that the first half of the film is fake and cheesy. I could not disagree more. The first half is original, memorable, and fascinating. The second half is like some kind of bad dream. Its uninspiring and doesn't complete nor does it fit the Mad Max character. I guess that may have been the point. Doesn't work. Like I said in my original post, the first 45 minutes are perfection. The movie is a 10 for a half, then about a 3 the rest of the way. And I think that's being kind. lol. As I said before, I have never seen anything quite like it. It makes for a great discussion. I love the opinions. For or against.

reply

[deleted]

This movie really shocked me, and not in a good way... Both Mad Max and The Road Warrior were very dark and brooding in their execution and story, quite violent and clearly meant for mature audiences only. It was obvious by the film's PG-13 rating that the filmmakers were trying to tone down the series more brutal elements in order to bolster ticket sales by drawing in the younger crowd who had so enjoyed Road Warrior on home video. The results were mixed until Max leaves Bartertown- those who enjoyed the feelings of despair and crushing isolation in the previous films were going to be let down, and anyone who expected the film to maintain - or perhaps even build upon - the dark tone of it's predessesors would be forced to reevaluate their hopes quickly or be sorely dissapointed. However, the film was entertaining in it's own right, with the introduction of some colorful characters and a particularly well done battle in the titular thunderdome.

Then, the film turns into a Disney movie. A flat out rip off of PeterPan (Tommorow-Morrowland, Never-Neverland, see any simmilarities?) in which Peter (MAX) must lead the Lost Boys (and girls) into a bloodless battle against the forces of Captain Aunty Hook and her bumbling sidekick Smee (Ironbar). The final chase was nothing but a poorly staged re-filming of the Road Warrior's marvelous finale, some how managing to make it FAR less interesting and exiting despite the bigger cast and budget. As to which film had the more frightening and intimidating villain, one need only consider what The Humungus would have done if HE had found himself alone with an injured Max at the end of the film. The soundtrack alone tells all you need to know about the wildly divergent path Beyond Thunderdome took the series in. Take the intense, suspenseful chase music during the Road Warriors finale or the ominous silence in Max's final meeting with Johnny in the original. Now compare it to the bright, whimsical, magical adventure music in BT and tell me someone, somewhere didn't entirely miss the point on what made the first two movies tick.

I'm sure some people out there love Beyond Thunderdome, and I don't mean to be a troll and crap on them. However, having come late to the series and having watched all 3 movies in a row, I just felt the need to vent my frustration at just how dissapointed I was with this movie. After falling in love with MAX and Warrior, I was nearly bouncing with anticipation for the trilogy`s finale. Turns out I should have quit while ahead and walked away after Road Warrior.

I'm sellin my soul to the Devil in you

reply

Just watched this again, after watching mad max 2...

The film is good. But i have to agree, it just wonders off into some kind of post apocalyptic peter pan plot.


Bad idea in my book, probably went that way to sell out to a wider audiance, *beep* idea.


However, the ending was left open for a good seequel to start in a city... never did of course.

reply

There was no 45 minutes of brilliance in this film, there was 5 minutes of decency then 100 minutes of garbage.

reply

I think the second half goes far in making the film as excellent as it is rather, because we're seeing multiple parallel redevelopments of society in the wake of the "apocalypse". That is pithier than just seeing one track. Surely there would be more than just two, but two that are so different is enough to suggest a plethora of different subsocieties redeveloping.


http://www.rateyourmusic.com/~JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies

reply

I think visually it is the best Mad Max by far and it's got a few good scenes,but overall it's too dull in parts and way too watered down,after the brutality of the first two.

It would have been alot better if the kids had've been more savage,more like the feral kid from 2,and the bad guys had've been more like the villians from the previous ones.Tina Turner should've been seen firing an arrow into someone who had stolen some food or wasn't doing enough work.Anything to keep the dark tone of the others.

reply

It's almost a perfect film until the kids arrive. Then it all goes a bit Return Of The Jedi with young 'uns instead of Ewoks. It's just about saved in the closing scenes with the fantastic chase sequence.

--------------------
Duty Now For The Future

reply

[deleted]

MAD MAX 1 wasn't that brutal. At all.

Neither was MM2/RW but they were dead serious in tone with moments of levity. Thunderdome is very tongue-in-cheek from the start and gets progressively sillier as it goes - the lowest point probably being the Looney Tunes-esque scene of the guy grinning after being hit in the face with a frying pan.

reply

[deleted]

Thunderdome's a joke.A flying plane swoops down and knocks Max off his vehicle without him seeing or hearing it,and he gets up from it straight away.Ironbar has three deaths.The villians are a cartoon with no menace.Could've been good with a darker tone but George Miller screwed it.

reply

[deleted]

Max was hit by the airplane because his left eye is permanently damaged and he cannot see well.

Doesn't explain how he manages not to hear it in the middle of a lifeless desert. Besides, when is it ever said his eye's permanently damaged?

The guy wasn't ranting, he was making calm statements of his own opinion. You're the only one ranting, clearly you can't take it that someone else doesn't like your favourite little movie.

And seriously:
MAD MAX 1 wasn't that brutal. At all.

It's about a motorcycle gang beating and raping people and running women down in the road, and ends with a guy having to saw his own foot off or get blown up. It's brutal. The fact there isn't any blood and gore flying around doesn't change that one bit. Thunderdome was a Disney cartoon by comparison.

reply

[deleted]

I've read the MM3 ORIGINAL screenplay and the novelization.

But for anyone who hasn't done that (which I imagine will be the vast majority of the people watching the movie) it just isn't explained. Saying it's in a book or a screenplay that most people won't even read isn't an excuse for the film to just leave out explanations.

And no, Thunderdome features far more action than MM1, including the brutal Thunderdome sequence.

I never said the first film had MORE action, I said the action was more BRUTAL in it. I wouldn't recommend calling someone stupid when you clearly can't even read what they're actually typing.

reply

That's not "black comedy" or "dark humor" - it is "slapstick". And yes, it looked kind of corny.

reply