PROPOGANDA


I saw half of this movie last night and yes it was bad, but i watched it for what it was (before i went to bed after an hour as that seemed the more attractive option) and i thought... what a load of propoganda bulls***. Honestly! Who do they think they are? The whole movie smacked of American hypocrisy. I say this now as its 2008, although back then it probably seemed quite plausible.

However, i notice they dont really make movies like this anymore. Would any producer get away with a script that focused on Middle eastern baddies that were thwarted by American "goodies"?

Then again, nothing suprises me these days.

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Not clicking the link. It's either goatse or some movies that make any WWE movie look like a masterpiece. That said, I always enjoy a nice Arab bashing movie. Seriously, dudes are more racist than a room full of drunk klansmen.

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*Shrugs* Maybe it's just nice to have a black and white enemy for a change. In the movies, the bad guy is obvious. His actions are blatantly bad or his look is blatantly scary. In real life, things are not so cut and dried. In real life, you can trust someone, give that person your whole heart, only to find out that it was always that person's plan to betray you. In real life, the muslim down the street that always seems grouchy when he sees me could be the guy that lays down his life to save mine and, my best friend, the girl that I've known since the third grade, could secretly aspire to steal my husband. In the movies, we see the hard blows coming. In real life, we get blindsided. It sucks.

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The movie was propaganda, yes, but it wasn't American propaganda. It was more like Ronald Reagan propaganda. Either that, or a USAF recruitment film. It was just after the bombing of Libya, and the Arab nation in this movie, although unnamed, was obviously supposed to be Libya. Reagan got a lot of criticism over his bombing of Libya (from other Americans, of course).

Red Dawn is another example which was brought up in this thread, and the invasion scenario in that movie was almost exactly the one outlined in a genuine piece of propaganda put out by the American Conservative Union, which focused on Nicaragua and why it was so desperately important to stop the communist regime of that country, applying the Domino Theory to Central America. The fear was that if Nicaraguan communism was left unchecked, the rest of Central America, and then, Mexico, would turn communist and be used as a Soviet staging area to attack the United States. As it turned out, the Reagan Robots were more afraid of Nicaraguan communism than they were of Middle Eastern terrorism, since they traded arms for hostages and used the proceeds from the weapons sales to fund the Nicaraguan Contras.

It always sort of baffled me how much of a pass Iran was given by the Reagan Administration. They did absolutely nothing to punish Iran for their seizure of our Embassy, and later on, they traded arms for hostages. They let Iran get away with what they did (and even rewarded them), while maintaining this irrational obsession over Nicaragua, even though the Nicaraguans didn't do anything to us.

The reason why I would hesitate to call this American propaganda is because the film was clearly directed towards American audiences. It was political propaganda dealing with issues which are more internal to America, somewhat a continuation of the "Hawks vs. Doves" debate which went back to the 1960s and the Vietnam era.

Iron Eagle was pretty much down on anyone who might favor negotiations and diplomacy over direct military action. They were called "wimps" and "pussies" in the movie. But you can tell how specifically directed the propaganda was in the movie, as a point was made early on in the film when Doug Masters was trying to convince Chappie that a rescue mission was possible. Chappie asked him, "What do you think they should do? Launch missiles? Go to war over him?" The script was crafted in such a way as to make that seem like it was not even an option. Limited warfare was the policy at the time, and the film was careful to go along with that philosophy.

That struck me as significant, since there were quite a few Americans who would have favored going to war under such circumstances.





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It always sort of baffled me how much of a pass Iran was given by the Reagan Administration. They did absolutely nothing to punish Iran for their seizure of our Embassy, and later on, they traded arms for hostages. They let Iran get away with what they did (and even rewarded them), while maintaining this irrational obsession over Nicaragua, even though the Nicaraguans didn't do anything to us.

What's always baffled me is how much of a pass Reagan was given by his own supporters for Iran/contra.

Say whatever you want about Carter, but he NEVER paid ransom for the diplomats being held hostages, and he at least tried to use military force (however clumsily) to free them. Reagan. Paid. Ransom. To a terrorist regime. Do these people not listen to their own propaganda? All that does is let them know they can get anything they want from you anytime they want simply by grabbing a couple of hostages and holding them over your head. To say nothing of pulling the Marines out of Lebanon after an Iranian-sponsored bombing.

But what the hell, he was a conservative, and the script says these people are tough on terrorism.

The reason why I would hesitate to call this American propaganda is because the film was clearly directed towards American audiences. It was political propaganda dealing with issues which are more internal to America, somewhat a continuation of the "Hawks vs. Doves" debate which went back to the 1960s and the Vietnam era.

Yes - what I think is weird is the way the Iron Eagle movies went from being "hawk" in the first movie to "dove" in the last three. This movie seems to be a massive ode to Reagan, but the second and fourth movies (haven't seen the third) are all about crazy right-wing generals trying to cause death and destruction because of their irrational anti-commie prejudices... It just seemed like a hell of a shift.


Keep flying, son. And watch that potty mouth!

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What's always baffled me is how much of a pass Reagan was given by his own supporters for Iran/contra.


I remember the Reagan years quite well, and I remember that he was called the "Teflon President." We used to refer to Reagan's followers as "Ronnie Robots," since they seemed to have that zombie-like quality. ;)

They got pretty vicious at times. I remember when they called anyone a "traitor" if they were against aid to the Contras. I recall Robert Novak prefacing a question as "Are you in favor of President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, or, like the Soviets, are you against it?" There's a nice tight little box to put someone in. Either support Reagan, or you're a Soviet dupe. Reagan was like a god to these people. He could do no wrong, so it's not surprising that his own followers gave him a pass for Iran-Contra.

Say whatever you want about Carter, but he NEVER paid ransom for the diplomats being held hostages, and he at least tried to use military force (however clumsily) to free them.


That's true. I never really had anything against Carter. I think Carter was sabotaged more by his own party than anything else.


Reagan. Paid. Ransom. To a terrorist regime. Do these people not listen to their own propaganda? All that does is let them know they can get anything they want from you anytime they want simply by grabbing a couple of hostages and holding them over your head. To say nothing of pulling the Marines out of Lebanon after an Iranian-sponsored bombing.


It used to be that we had the philosophy of billions for defense and not one penny for tribute.

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Just wondering what all the lib-tards in this thread think about their good old buddy Barry O bombing Libya to hell and back for something truly none of our business?

I guess the meek can inherit the Earth now. It looks like the stupid aren't doing anything with it.

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And yet no lefty ever whines about movies like Green Zone & Rendition as propaganda. There are far more anti-American hit pieces being churned out of hollyweird every year and no cries of propaganda which means any film defending the U.S is propaganda while "America is the rich, evil, great satan" movies are Cannes film festival winners and are considered "truth telling".

Ok, now I get it. :/

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In many languages propaganda and advertising are the same word.

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