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Comparing Maurice and Brokeback Mountain


Has anybody noticed that Maurice and Brokeback Mountain have basically the same theme? Clive is the Ennis character, and Maurice is the more daring Jack.
Although Maurice (the film) concentrates more on Maurice (the person), Brokeback concentrates more on the Clive kind of figure in Ennis.
Both Ennis and Clive are too afraid of breaking convention to really allow themselves to imagine living with the person they love. Both basically refuse the other. The coldness of Ennis for his wife is mirrored in Clive's for HIS wife. And so on.
I personally think that despite all the hype about Brokeback, Maurice is really the better film.
In fact, Ang Lee is as reticent in his film style as Ennis is in his life. Ang Lee (sort of) shows us sex, shows them hugging a lot...but the scene in college between Maurice and Clive where Maurice is slowly stroking Clive's hair and Clive slowly becomes aroused is far hotter than anything in Brokeback. Maurice is really so more sensual, and not afraid of showing full frontal nudity. Maurice was a small budget film that dared (in 1987) far more than Ang Lee does in 2005... Perhaps Ang Lee was afraid of scaring away the hetero males, but Maurice seems to have done all right at the box office anyway.
Watch the scene where Clive declares his love for Maurice and Maurice is shocked. There is more in the one look that Maurice gives Clive than in half of what Brokeback expresses. We never really get to understand in Brokeback how horrified Ennis or Jack might have felt about their feelings for each other. But that one look of Maurice's when Clive says "I love you" shows that Maurice has to come to grips with himself before he can begin to come to grips with the prejudices of the society around him. Ennis was AFRAID to let himself go, but I never got the sense that he was disgusted with his desire for Jack. And that is why I think Maurice is more interesting. The character of Maurice develops continually, adapting to the challenges presented, even if Clive doesn't.
In Brokeback, in fact nobody seems to move forward at all over 20 years of existence. Hard to believe, especially since much of it takes place after Stonewall, when the gay liberation movement was in full swing.
But above all, I think Maurice is the better film because I believe the desire between Maurice and Clive, and later between Maurice and Scudder, to be more realistically portrayed than what I saw between Ennis and Jack in Brokeback.
Anybody else out there agree with me that Maurice is the better film?

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I prefer 'Maurice' to 'Brokeback Mountain', but I think the reason is because (apart from E.M. Forster rocking and all that) 'Maurice' is far more to do with positive emotions - happiness of a relationship, sympathy with those you don't like (think the "Maurice...Good God!" speech from Clive), and the sweet, bouncy natures of Alec and Maurice - while 'Brokeback Mountain is more to do with the darker side of homosexuality, if you like - the homophobia, the mental battle before you decide whether you are or aren't, the sense of letting down people who want grandchildren or neices or nephews (which, obviously, doesn't necessarily happen now, what with the joys of AI and stuff), and the terror of being found out.
Plus, I'm a sucker for a happy ending!

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Question, How much more graphic is Maurice than BBM? Just curious. I saw BBM and will be renting this one very soon. I don't mind spoilers.



Spiders! They want me to tapdance! I don't wanna tapdance!

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what do you mean graphic?

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You get a pretty decent full frontal view of Rupert Graves, and some m/m kissing. That's about it. It's not Queer as Folk, that's for sure!

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Thanks chiviscandacegpna for answering my question. Ladytron I was just curious if it went farther as far as sex scenes go than Brokeback Mountain or if it was tamer.

Spiders! They want me to tapdance! I don't wanna tapdance!

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.... ok...
I don't see how this matter is so important.

anyway,
In Maurice everything is soft. As a purpose to the script.

but chiviscandacegpna, aswered you question better.

I tired of those "sex" questions, it seems it the only things that interess people.
So I will shut up.

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Both are great movies. Re BBM I'm surprised no one has mentioned Ang Lee's earlier queer film The Wedding Banquet, which sort of made his US career. Another great one!

As to Maurice, I don't think there was no hype -- I remember anticipating it wildly and making a special trip from Vermont to New York to see it when it opened (5 hour drive). There were lines around the block to get in, and I didn't make it in the first showing, so went & bought the book to read while I waited.

Had he published it when written, Maurice would have been the first real coming-out novel in English, but Forster specified in his will that it could only be published after his death. The Scudder character is not so much a fairy tale -- Forster himself had affairs with working class men. Sexuality among the working classes was different: there tended to be less of a stigma for male-male sex, usually so long as one played the "active" role.

The other difference between the two films is that Maurice was written by a gay man and directed/produced by two gay men. BBM was written by a woman (and later with a straight man) and directed by a straight man.

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Hi Everybody...I'm the guy who posted the original "comparison" of Maurice and Brokeback.
I'd like to compliment you all..one of the few times when a thread on this site (dealing with gay issues) hasn't degenerated into all kinds of political harrassment and in-fighting!!
I'd just like to say, for those of you who said that a comparison between these two films is not possible... that I disagree, but that it doesn't really matter to me. The reason I started this thread in the first place was because I thought a lot of people out there probably don't even know that Maurice exists... and so I chose a slightly provocative way of getting people interested in reading the thread, and in seeing Maurice for themselves!
It appears to have worked, so I'm happy.
My best to everyone, and thank you for keeping this thread on a realtively high level! Smack! :0)

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Oh, are Merchant and Ivory gay???

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Not only are they gay, sweetie, but I think they are LOVERS!! Or perhaps I should say "were"...I believe one of them died of a heart attack a few years ago...

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nooo...please dont! i know it's too late, given the enormous amount of replies you've gotten..but PLEASE don't compare these two movies. i like brokeback mountain, but it isn't maurice. it's totally different characters with different expectations and goals. it's a totally different time and setting. the stories have totally different endings and expectations from the viewers. they're not the same at all except that they are gay love stories. maurice is a film close to my heart, and i cant have it being compared to a movie that is in the end not as amazing as it.

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That's rude. Maurice is serious real cinema. The other is only a commercial hollywood drama. very conventional.

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They are both very fine movies. But personally, Maurice moves me much more than BBM does. Granted, I'm partial to the English setting and the country green cinematography over the cowboy milieu and sandy gray tone of American wild West. The acting is uniformly superb in Maurice but I've some trouble with Gyllenhall and Hathaway's as well as their old age makeup. A little distracting. Moreover, Maurice which came out 20 years ago, had the audacity to show male nudity while BBW wanted the accolades of the Oscars and is pretty sanitized for the consumption by the general public. The actors being not well known, even now (except for Hugh, of course) bring a level of authencity that BBW doesn't have.

I respect Ang Lee's decision to not have male nudity if he doesn't think it is integral to the movie. However, in his new movie, Lust Caution, it has many, many explicit sex scenes but naturally, it is of the hetero variety. So, there is obviously a double standard here where Maurice has the balls, no pun inteneded, to show the passion.

On a side and interesting note, according to BoxOfficeMojo.com, Maurice was only shown in 1, 1!?! movie house in the whole US of A. I couldn't believe my eyes when I found out. How is that possible? Was it that bad then to find no exhibitors willing to show the movie! Or the marketing team screwed up big time. It made about 2.5 million a year after A Room With a View which made 21 million and was shown in 150 theaters. If Maurice had been given the push that BBW had, I'm convinced that more people would've been aware of it and had the recognition that it deserves.

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