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Doc was wrong on the starting point of Marty's downfall

posted 3 months ago by Crocodile (2971)
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He was convinced that the starting point was 2015 with the arrest of his son but,the starting point was clearly the car incident that destroyed his dream to be big in the music buisness. And as we notice in the final moments of BTTF 3,that incident was supposed to happen in 1985 (but a more mature Marty doesnt say yes to the challenge of those boys so he avoids the incident). So Doc created a big mess because he didnt understand the right starting point,but he ended up helping Marty to mature anyway.

[–] blindfolded (1539) a month ago

No. He wasn't trying to fix Marty's downfall. He was just simply trying to keep Marty Jr. and Marlene from going to prison.

Doc had already accepted Marty didn't live up to his expectations. He knew about the accident, and him losing his cool. He just kept it from him. He figured Marty's life was already beyond salvaging, as this was something only Marty himself could overcome.

Whereas preventing Marty Jr. from prison is more of a specific preventable incident, in which it was clear to him that Griff was framing him...and not an overall character trait that he needed to work on.

[–] Crocodile (2971) a month ago

But when Doc explain the mission in BTTF 2,he tells Marty that the arrest of his son was the starting point of a series of events that led to the destruction of his family. But i guess that a more mature Marty will raise a less naive son in the new 2015,so he wont end up in prison anyway.

[–] blindfolded (1539) a month ago

A guy not living up to his potential and ending up with a meaningless dead end job isn't necessarily destroying the family. Neither is getting fired, really. But I would say kids getting convicted of crimes and getting sent away for decades may be more considered destroying the family.

[–] Crocodile (2971) a month ago

Yeah but one could think that the way "original 2015 Marty" raised his son could have led to his naivety and arrest. Thats my theory at least,the real beginning of the set of events that led to the destruction of his family started there.

[–] blindfolded (1539) a month ago

Too vauge and hypothetical and non-tangible. You could just as easily say the way George raised Marty caused that.

The incident in 2015 was a specific and direct event, cause and effect.