why do girls like Ariel?


Is it just because she's a pretty princess? Even for Disney princesses she's a horrible role model.

Belle had her book smarts and didn't take *beep* from anyone
Tiana proved in order to get ahead in life you need to work hard for your goals
Cinderella taught tolerance and patience
Jasmine fought for her own choices
Merida earned the right to her own life

What did Ariel do? Sell her voice for a pair of legs and gave up her life just for a guy

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Because, honestly: a lot of people are impulsive, headstrong, and romantic like Ariel.

It's not about being some great role model.

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What did Ariel do? Sell her voice for a pair of legs and gave up her life just for a guy


Determination.

It feels good to be lost in the right direction. 🌌

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Taking a guess by you "handel" you are not a guy (guess what I am?) but

as my "handel" implies

First It is nice to see someone listing one of the original three in your list
since many a person DOES NOT do that meaning that we are not totally closed minded

First and Foremost DID YOU READ THE ORIGINAL STORY? (may have to change my handel to that) what does she do there?

Second Ariel is a mermaid a pure fantasy creature in what seems to be the ideal environment (so why does she want to leave it? another topic)

Third she is a romantic and as stated impulsive plus she has a perspective that is refreshing to see

I could go on but I am trying to keep this short (failed badly here)

And yes Ariel is NOT perfect irresponsible and forgetful but NO ONE IS PERFECT

hence another reason to like her and being a realistic character considering she is a mermaid

As to the others where is Pocahantas Mulan and Rapunzel?

Pocahantas Proud of here heritage and quite self reliant
Mulan Shows a girl can do what a man can do maybe better ?
Rapunzel more then book smarts since she reads more then just fairy tales

which brings us to

Belle Her best attributes Ariel's physical apperance (yea different hair(?)can you say Sherri Stoner?) color eye shape and color
And all the other characters most cliches in an animated film since American tale and The animated Titanic movies (those Titaniac movies seem alot worse though)

Glad to see Tiana rated well for she sure as hell deserves MORE respect

(three guesses why Tiana Mulan and Pocahantas get no respct?)

Jasmine SADLY is a plot device and even the TV series made mistakes

dissapointing

And Merida she earned her own life just like Triton does for Ariel
(Bad example.......or is it?)

AND NO Elsa and Anna?????????????????? Elsa who just might change the "evil" aspect of Queen?OR optimistic Anna who survives near death experiences?

EVERY Character listed here is flawed Arielis no exception but if you like Ariel or not

before 1991 it was free choice you decided about Ariel's character after Belle who's primary selling tool is "In your face" or ELSE>>>> hence the comparisons and bashing

I only scratched the surface here and who knows what is gonna come after this

and lastly hence your name what are your thoughts of Daisy Duke Ms. Simpson ruined her


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As to the others where is Pocahantas Mulan and Rapunzel?


Mulan doesn't count. She's not a princess

and lastly hence your name what are yourthoughts of Daisy Duke Ms. Simpson ruined her


The original was great but she did have some stupid moments

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Is it just because she's a pretty princess? Even for Disney princesses she's a horrible role model.


So one can only like a character because they are a "good role model"? What nonsense. Ariel is flawed, but she has a fun and strong personality, which makes her very human. Some people prefer that over characters that are just too perfect. One should look for role models in real life, not in cartoon characters.

What did Ariel do?


She refused to follow the path her father had chosen for her.

Sell her voice for a pair of legs and gave up her life just for a guy


Uhm, I guess you missed the part where she desperately wanted to be part of the human world.

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^ Agreed.

This is a movie, not a PSA.

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^Idem.

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And Snow White was the template for all s she CLEARLY had faults

Sleeping Beauty again read the original story?

Yeah some are not even listed here and sadly not everyone is gonna agree

but bashing/bullying is just terrible

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Because she actually DID something in order to make her dream come true.
Because she had the courage to stand up to her father and express her own opinion.
Because she loved her family but had the maturity to realise that her destiny was not under the sea.
Because she was clever, adventurous and always eager to learn something new.
Because she wanted to explore the whole world.
Because she was willing to risk everything for the ultimate feeling of all, LOVE.
Finally, because she was a mermaid, a gorgeous, sweet little mermaid.

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I was just thinking the same thing.
She's an idiot.
People like her because she's a fool.
She doesn't fall in love. She sees a guy she thinks is hot. That's all. There's no relationship building or anything. Sees hot guy then goes to any lengths to be with him like some crazed stalker.

I feel like there's a while Middle section of this film missing where she observes him and her curiosity grows to love.

Simba is impulsive but Ariel comes across as badly written.

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I especially get a good laugh at the scene where she argues with Triton about Eric.

"You don't even know him!"

And we're supposed to believe she does after never even talking to him? At least other disney couples talked about each other, getting an idea of who they were

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"You don't even know him!"

And we're supposed to believe she does after never even talking to him?


But she's right, Triton doesn't know him, at all. It's not like she said "I know him better than you do!"

At least other disney couples talked about each other, getting an idea of who they were


And how should they have done that in this movie? If they talked before, Eric would exactly know who she was and there wouldn't be any problem. It's obvious they threw in Ariel's fascination with the human world and the clash with her father as motivations for her to become human. Eric may have been a catalyst, but at that point he was nothing but a crush.

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Also, in fairy tales it's very common for characters to instantly fall in love. They're just FAIRY TALES, for crying out loud.

Snow White and Prince Charming didn't talk to each other either, and they obviously lived "happily ever after" at the end of that movie/story.

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Also, in fairy tales it's very common for characters to instantly fall in love. They're just FAIRY TALES, for crying out loud.



No man, you totally can't do that anymore these days! It's totally unrealistic! Magic, witches, talking animals, that's totally cool and believable! But love at first is just like totally outdated and ridiculous, man!





But seriously, though, I'm not sure why the poster is singling out Ariel. Besides Snow White, how much did Cinderella and Aurora converse with their love interests before falling in love?

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Yeah, and besides, at least Ariel actually managed to observe Eric's behavior and actions directly, both before and during the storm, so in a way she did get to know him (and let's be honest, in some cases, directly observing their behavior when they don't even know you exist or are present is actually far more of a way to glean into someone's true nature than talking face to face. Need I remind you that Anna and Hans directly interacted with each other and it nearly ended in disaster because Hans was literally putting up a show?).

And yeah, good point regarding Aurora and Cinderella (and Aurora's even worse as she's pretty much the only Disney Princess to literally only have going for her prince as a motive for her actions. Even Snow White at least had trying to escape her wicked and murderous stepmom as something besides her prince that acted as motivation for her actions. Plus Cinderella wanted to be freed from her abusive family, and as several people have noted, even Part of Your World makes this explicit, Ariel already dreamed of becoming a human before she was even aware of Eric's existence, much less met him. The only thing Eric did was give her the final push.).

In addition, although it is rare, love at first sight does indeed exist in the real world. In fact, My parents actually met a couple who not only fell in love at first sight, but even have a strong marriage. Not to mention claiming gradual love is the way to go is very overrated. In fact, gradual love is probably an example of how NOT to go with a relationship as it is far more likely to just end in divorce at the very least and at worst probably involve a family suicide. For every person who uses Anna and Hans' relationship as a reason to dismiss Love at First Sight, I will cite how Ron and Hermione's relationship ended as an example of gradual love NOT ending well (basically, according to JK Rowling, they are going through marital counseling and possibly even getting divorce papers ready).

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But she's right, Triton doesn't know him, at all. It's not like she said "I know him better than you do!"


Yeah, agreed, and that's not taking into account the fact that, quite factually, she DID know Eric far better than Triton did, even if they never directly interacted with each other at the time. At least Ariel actually took the time to actually observe closely Eric's behavior, both during the party and the subsequent storm, so at least she got a sense of Eric's true nature. Triton basically implied that Eric should have drowned for no reason other than Eric's species. Now tell me, Alice, putting that into consideration, who actually does know more about Eric between the two? Triton even confirmed as much by saying "I don't need to know him."

And how should they have done that in this movie? If they talked before, Eric would exactly know who she was and there wouldn't be any problem. It's obvious they threw in Ariel's fascination with the human world and the clash with her father as motivations for her to become human. Eric may have been a catalyst, but at that point he was nothing but a crush.


Yeah, and besides, do you really think simply talking and/or having direct interaction with her love interest would truly give a sense as to his true nature? Need I really remind you that Anna and Hans had direct interaction with each other in Frozen, throughout most of the film, in fact, and it then turned out what Anna thought she knew about him wasn't even close to accurate as it turned out Hans was literally putting on a show and then exposed his true nature when he left her to die. At least Ariel witnessed Eric's actions beforehand without his even knowing of her existence, so she actually had a far better grasp on who Eric was than Anna did on who Hans was (and frankly, I really hate it when people cite Anna and Hans' relationship as a reason why Ariel was in the wrong for going for Eric because that's comparing apples to oranges. How would they feel if I cited Ron and Hermione's strained relationship according to JK Rowling after the events of Deathly Hallows and used that as proof that gradual love means absolutely nothing?).

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People like her because she's a fool.


I feel like there's a whole middle section missing in that deduction.

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Giving someone who's blantently evil, lives with rotting fish souls, two creepy henchmen the power of your voice.

And it wasn't for something particularly important even. Just so she could get close to a guy. A guy who might not have even liked her.

Her thinking process is switched off completely. She'll literally do anything, no matter how stupid, put her Kingdom at risk, her family in danger for her selfish (or should that be 'shellfish'. Comedy gold, folks...) needs.

Ariel and Gaston would've been a match made in Disney heaven. But a short film perhaps.






She wasn't fooled here. Flounder and Sabastian could see how corrupt Usurla is.

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Okay, first of all, she didn't entirely trust Ursula, alright? In fact, she actually refused Flotsam and Jetsam when they tried to directly suggest going to Ursula, and keep in mind she basically wasn't fully composed at that time due to Triton destroying her objects in front of her. It literally took a flick of the remains of that statue for her to even consider the deal, and even when undergoing the deal, it was made pretty obvious that she was extremely reluctant to do so. And in case you watched it on mute and without subtitles, Ursula made a pretty big deal in regards to how she had changed.

Second of all, she also observed Eric's behavior on the ship, so at the very least she actually got a glimpse into his true nature, so don't act like she fell for his looks.

And third of all, she isn't selfish at all. You want actual selfishness, just look at Emperor Kuzco from The Emperor's New Groove, especially in the beginning where he made very clear he didn't give a darn about anyone but himself, but even reveled in the fact that his actions would most likely make Pacha's family and village homeless, if not killed outright for his selfish desire for a summer getaway. Heck, how Gaston behaved is a better fit than Ariel regarding selfishness, since you brought him up.

And besides, the original little mermaid was worse, especially when she basically sold out everyone for a guy she only used to get a soul, then committed suicide after refusing to kill him and his bride and got exactly what she wanted anyways. Had I been Hans Christian Andersen and wrote the tale, I would have God give her a soul, then DAMN HER TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY for her selfishness, even with her one selfless act.

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She did fall for his looks. What did she say she liked about him besides his looks? Nothing!

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What did she say she liked about him besides his looks? Nothing!


And the other Disney princesses did? How can you be so sure Rapunzel didn't like Flynn just for his looks? I'm not sure why you're singeling out Ariel.

So Ariel says that Eric is handsome. So what? That doesn't mean she wasn't impressed by what she saw of his personality on the ship. Besides, what about Eric who wanted to marry a girl whose voice he only heard?

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Besides, what about Eric who wanted to marry a girl whose voice he only heard?


She saved his life. He has more reason to like her

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She saved his life.


So if a guy saved his life, he would've wanted to marry him as well? Seems like the Florence Nightingale complex in reverse.

He has more reason to like her


He didn't just "like" her, he wanted to marry her and refused to marry someone else, not even for the sake of his kingdom. He doesn't seem any different than Ariel.

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So Ariel says that Eric is handsome. So what? That doesn't mean she wasn't impressed by what she saw of his personality on the ship.


Yeah, agreed. Heck, forget "not impressed," what this Alice lady is saying indicated that Ariel somehow didn't even take into account of his personality at all (being unimpressed at least implies you have taken into account and/or seen something yet it bored you).

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She did fall for his looks. What did she say she liked about him besides his looks? Nothing!


I never said his looks weren't a factor. But, seriously?! What did you think she was doing when Prince Eric acted polite regarding the birthday gift he didn't like, his kind interactions with Max and Grimsby, his bravery during the storm, saved his men and especially Max when undergoing the evacuation, the latter even nearly costing him his life?! Asleep on the switch?! No, she actually observed those details (heck, she was actually watching everything from a position where she actually could see him but he can't see her), so it's pretty obvious without even needing to be stated that she observed those qualities as well (especially when Ariel definitely isn't the type to simply ignore observations, having an intently curious nature). Pardon me for having to ask, but are you truly that dense to think that it only means anything when they actually state it? Geez, it's people like you that basically utterly ruined Beauty and the Beast by having that Gaston reprise among others.

And as Stratego pointed out above, most other Disney Princesses before her also fell for the prince largely for their looks, and UNLIKE Ariel, most of them never even got an opportunity to witness their character beforehand and without being seen. If anything, the fact that Ariel at least managed to get some insights on Eric by observing him beforehand is an improvement over the prior Disney Princesses.

And besides, how exactly is Belle any better? True, she doesn't fall for Beast due to his looks (then again, how can she do so when he's a chimera and not human?), but on the other hand, she basically falls for him very easily simply because he gives her a library (I want to say she fell for him because he saved her from the wolves, which would have been a far better reason for her falling for Beast, but unfortunately, stuff like [url="http://screencaps.us/199/1-beauty-and-the-beast/full/beauty-and-the-beast-disneyscreencaps.com-6009.jpg"]this[/url] would suggest otherwise [and keep in mind, that took place right between Beast's "But first, I want you to close your eyes." and "It's a surprise.", which occurred AFTER the wolf attack, but right before he gives her the library.].), and this is despite his being a jerk beforehand several times. That, if you ask me, is just as bad, if not even worse. Need I really remind you that Jean-Paul Sartre, one of the biggest and more popular philosophers in France at the time and most certainly someone who at least was considered intelligent, fell easily for that Argentine Marxist psychopathic mass-murderer Che Guevara and even went as far as to call him the most complete human being of the century (a title such a monster doesn't even deserve to get) simply because when he visited Cuba, he and Che philosophized with each other (it's even indicated that at the very least, he started openly becoming Communist as a result of that trip)? Or how about all the students of Sartre or those other girls who basically slept with such a scumbag like Sartre, and got betrayed and thrown away cruelly, and for a final kicker wrote in graphic detail the sexual experiences with Simone de Beauvoir (the closest he has to a wife, and he betrays her frequently as well), and it's pretty obvious that looks weren't even a factor at all in their falling for him and stupidly getting themselves abused by him (He was extremely ugly on the outside, something even he himself admitted)?

EDIT: Okay, I see what you were getting at, but what I meant by that statement is that she didn't fall for him just for his looks. I should have made that a bit clearer.

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And it wasn't for something particularly important even. Just so she could get close to a guy.


Totally missed the part where her father wanted to decide her life for her? And again, Eric was simply a catalyst.

She'll literally do anything, no matter how stupid, put her Kingdom at risk, her family in danger for her selfish (or should that be 'shellfish'. Comedy gold, folks...) needs.


Good god, yes, you're as hilarious as a Disney comedic sidekick!

I'm not sure why Ariel should've thought that trading her voice for a pair of legs would put her kingdom and family at risk.

No, I don't think going to Ursula was the right choice, but I don't get why you guys are putting all the blame on Ariel and ignoring Triton's part in that mistake.

But still no explanation for your deduction, Ariel foolish->people love her.

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Totally missed the part where her father wanted to decide her life for her? And again, Eric was simply a catalyst.


Yeah, Ariel already wanted to become human and live among humanity anyways (As if her interest in human objects wasn't enough for you, Part of Your World flat out spelled it out). All Eric did was give her the final push.

Good god, yes, you're as hilarious as a Disney comedic sidekick!

I'm not sure why Ariel should've thought that trading her voice for a pair of legs would put her kingdom and family at risk.


Yeah, agreed, especially when it was also clear from Ursula's interactions that Ursula was trying to convince Ariel that she had changed for the better. Reformed, in other words. It's very similar to what happened regarding Lan Hikari and Mr. Match in MegaMan Battle Network 3 (which was one of Lan's lowpoints in the series. Let's just say that Mr. Match, after faking a reformation and quitting WWW, manipulated Lan Hikari into effectively committing Cyber-Arson at Dr. Hikari's internet research lab and nearly got him killed). He'd have more of a point if he was complaining about how Belle exposing the Beast to what was clearly a bloodthirsty mob not operating on reason and led by her stalker endangered Beast and his servants needlessly.

No, I don't think going to Ursula was the right choice, but I don't get why you guys are putting all the blame on Ariel and ignoring Triton's part in that mistake.


Yeah, agreed. In fact, this was actually largely (not entirely, as Ariel does still deserve some blame for this) Triton's fault for basically being a jerk to his daughter, and even he realized it. Yes, he has a point regarding humanity being somewhat dangerous. However, to coldly dismiss Ariel and even imply that he actually wished Eric should have drowned just because he was a human and unlike Ariel didn't even take the time to observe his behavior at all definitely was not smooth at all. Maybe if he didn't destroy her things in front of her like some sort of abusive parent and have a temper tantrum at her, she wouldn't have gone to Ursula (in fact, even during that time, she actually attempted to refuse Flotsam and Jetsam. She didn't jump at the opportunity. In fact, she was reluctant).

But still no explanation for your deduction, Ariel foolish->people love her.


Yeah, agreed. And Ariel was no fool.

And BTW, Ariel wasn't just popular with girls, either. She was also very popular with guys, heterosexual guys I should point out.

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