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why celebrate racists on film?


This artist was a racist - he portrayed blacks as mammies and minstrels - and should not be celebrated in film. Don't waste your time or brain cells on it.

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well, you certainly didn't waste your brain cells while watching this film. :-D

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I admired that the film actually showed the depths of ugliness of his work, including his viciously racist cartoons, in some cases. But that's the whole thing of Crumb: if his method's going to be to just open his head up and pour whatever's in there out onto the page, it's going to get ugly sometimes. Very ugly.

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That's sort of a strange comment -- like you missed the point. Have you seen Ghost World? You would be like the kids in the art class who had a kneejerk reaction to the racist "Coon chicken" advertisement and thinking the girl who brought it to class was a racist -- when the whole point was to show the racism of the advertisement -- not to be racist by showing the advertisement. I guess that might be tough to figure out.

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Hahahaha...Robert Crumb a racist eh? Yeah you know this was written by some knee jerk wishy washy liberal, one with no brains to boot! Hell I'm sure we all despise racism but ignorance comes a pretty close second.
Having read most of Crumbs work i can honestly say the man is no racist, the problem here is the thread writer is thinking in cut and dry black and white (excuse the pun)manner. Just because he illustrates racism doesn't make him a racist, as a cartoonist Crum is aware of the rich history of racial sterotypes in comics and toons over the years, and this comes through in his work.
At least Crumb isn't denying these things happened, unlike Warner Brothers and AAp who'd like us to never be aware of some of the WWII cartoons they put out.
Besides a man with such adoration for Charlie Patton and blue grass Blues is clearly no racist....time to wise up.

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I have yet to see this movie, my friend has been urging me to see it.
Only a small thing to say though, I'm a liberal, and I LOVE crumb's work.
The way he draws just facinates me. My father gave me some ZAP comics when I was younger, and I still have them, and still read them.
I've seen this movie advertised on IFC, but have yet to see it. I know Crumb can be racy at times, but he's creating satire.

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It's kind of funny that there are liberals out there who would bash a guy like Crumb -- who's also a liberal... like they're trying to out-liberal him.

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Funny how people are so ignorant as to brand liberals as narrow-minded. Obviously it's the same conservative dimwits that voted Schwarzenegger as governor. Well, you deserved him, so enjoy him!

-I have a dream!"
-What is your dream?"
-To have a dream"

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Who's the liberal that's bashing the film? That one person up there who didn't say either way? Don't perpetuate something assumed.

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I think it's funny how people are either liberal or conservative. Why fall into one of two labels and limit yourself to that.

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When people read the story in question, ""Hey Mom! Let's have N***** Hearts for Lunch!" It can be labeled as a racist thing. But the panel in question isn't drawn like say a wartime ,"Young Allies," comic. In which Marvel comics first black super hero was whitewash. Who was drawn in full blackface fashion. All the covers of that comic had the same theme. Whitewash being tied up. There were Natzi symbols on the cover, all sorts of mess like that. Basically, Whitewash was a buffon who got into one bad situation after another. Now those drawings are racist. Crumb, in my opinion,was commenting on the social climate. That probably sounds soft,although there are alot of images that are sort of suspicious.

In the end think about the actual ads of that time, some of which were like the art of Crumb. He could simply be making fun of those ads. Alot of people think of Crumb as racist and sexist. I don't know if it's all true. I think people often see an image and don't think about why it was drawn, they only think about what it looks like.

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I wish you wouldn't take it there, I am a liberal and I really enjoy Crumb's work, very well aware and have never thought of him as racist. Political correctness such as the opening post belongs to the narrow-minded people like the right wing and the christian fundamentalists, so please keep off that.

-I have a dream!"
-What is your dream?"
-To have a dream"

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Amen! Damn straight!

Too many people don't know Crumb, and make ignorant and rude assumptions about him by just what they've seen and heard, but don't comprehend or understand.

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Robert Crumb's drawings of black people are, by todays standards very racist and are very degrading representations of them. But, sadly, I think that was the standard of the time. I feel very sorry for them to have had to put up with stuff like that for years.

Many have said that Crumb isn't a racist in the sense that he hates black people and thinks they have no right to live- which I agree with, he doesn't seem to be a racist in that sense. What he did do was really take the piss out of black people, by cruel politically incorrect humour, the kind of humour that comics and cartoons tend to, or used to, employ. I'm not saying this is right, because it isn't, but that is what comics/cartoons were like. If you check out some children's novels from the time they are filled with far worse racial stereotypes- e.g always the villain or an uneducated caretaker.

Crumb's work often showed how badly black people were treated in the white-run society, and while he did that he unfortunetly made the black characters look stupid. This may be just reflecting that black people weren't given any opportunities back then. That's the truly disgusting part of all this.

Crumb is, in my opinion an important cultural figure, by his other work- Keep On Truckin', Fritz The Cat etc. While I can really understand how offensive those images look and that you have a very very good point to make it's probably best to take them with a pinch of salt. I would certainly hope that the racial images were meant to be ironic.

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"Robert Crumb's drawings of black people are, by todays standards very racist and are very degrading representations of them. But, sadly, I think that was the standard of the time. I feel very sorry for them to have had to put up with stuff like that for years." <---Your self-righteous sympathy is just as insulting as the stereotypical illustrations that bewilder you.

You clearly have little capacity to think outside the box. Do you really understand the meanings of satire and irony? The depiction of white children eating "N***er Hearts" is OBVIOUSLY a poignant cultural satire. The lack of imagination and insight from some of the posters on this thread is shocking and disturbing. Crumbs work is a direct expression of his ego, tempered by a sophisticated rationalism, which finds its roots in the political and social backdrop of the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 60's.

You are supposing that Crumb was unaware that his depictions were insulting. You giving him a break for being a product of a racist generation is superficial and misguided.

"Crumb is, in my opinion an important cultural figure, by his other work- Keep On Truckin', Fritz The Cat etc" <------You gotta be kidding, these are both examples of his most benign work.

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What's wrong with you people, whether or not it was the social climate at the time, shouldn't matter. He was creating art, he was drawing the way he thought, maybe he was a racist, maybe not. He drew Blacks as he saw them, and wanted others to see them. I think that seperation of races is important, not as a measure of degredation, but because we are different, he was doing a caricature of blacks, which is only skin deep. Why does there have to be an uproar whenever someone points out a difference? He was just pissing people off, thats what juvenalian satarists do. Give the guy a break.

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Crumb has drawn more "positive", non racist images of black people than he EVER did bigoted ones, trust me.

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>>I think that was the standard of the time.

Then you don't know the first thing about Crumb and his depictions of Black people. Here's the first clue: he was not a conformist.


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I don't think Crumb is a racist--at least no more than the rest of average white American society anyway. I think the point in his cartoons is to take old racist images and shove them under white America's face to say--"deep down, no matter how much you may clean your culture of racist imagery, this is how you still think, what you still believe." Unfortunately, I think Crumb is right--we don't have racist images like this anymore in our culture, but we're still a racist society. He just has the courage to show it. That doesn't make him a racist.

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To quasi,great point.
-monobrowjerry

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Okay, I agree with pretty much everything the other posters had to say on this topic. But anyway, what if crumb IS a racist? (I'm not saying he is, mind you.) So what? A lot of people are racist. Just because a person has one despicable quality doesn't make them wholly bad. Darwin was a racist, but he still contributed a lot to society.
Anyway, most people who are racist I think are that way because of how they are raised. Watching this movie didn't make Crumb's upbringing seem so modern and fantastic, so who knows, if he is racist, maybe his parents are to blame. Who knows? Who cares?
Why does it matter whether or not this guy's a racist? What matters is his art, that's why we're watching the movie.

"That little punk drove a golf cart through my bar mitzvah! Not only that, he was dressed up like a beaver!"

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This documentary is more moving and profound to me than Robert Crumbs personal art work. I just found the documentary to be more relevant in general.

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