The World = America ?! LOL - Outbreak (1995) Discussion

[–] slicedbread 20 years ago

Not really surprising, they're not responsible for the virus once it passes the border. Their priority is to keep Americans safe anyway, It's the American government afterall.

Still it is a little funny linking back to the whole argument that Americans don't think outside their own country.

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[–] drumer_94 19 years ago

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!! THEY DONT CARE ONLY 'BOUT THEMSELVES WHAT THE HELL YOU TALKING ABOUT?????!!!!!

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[–] simplystreeptacular 17 years ago

Your naive trust in the United States government amuses me greatly.

Listen to the music of the night!

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[–] wedgwood 17 years ago

Julie, thank god somebody said it!!!

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[–] JoWilli (16915) 4 years ago

Especially 13 years ago.

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[–] MovieGod14918 20 years ago

Actually, the graph does show a spread into southern Canada, and Northern Mexico, but only slightly, the point of the graph was to show how quickly it would cover the U.S. Plus, the virus would be more likely to pass East to West, because movement into another country is much more restricted than interstate moving, espically when they find out people are bringing a virus with them, the borders to ajoining coutries are likely to be closed.

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[–] coasterlove 20 years ago

Pedro D is an idiot. Who cares??? No, really who cares? It would be no different if a movie was filmed somewhere else. It would then focus on whatever country they're in. I hate people like you who always have to try and put down our country. If the director wanted to focus on America....so what? Get a life!

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[–] rain_without 19 years ago

Oh my... That's not a very diplomatic thing to say. I'm sure Mr. Pike doesn't speak for everyone. Do you even re-read what you type, before posting?

It's only natural to aim the movie at the audience of the country it's meant for. Although indeed films are released all over the world, they are still in the first place inteded for a specific audience. USAMRID is a military agency that mainly operates within the borders of the US, so its focus in reality would be on the US.

That said, it would perhaps be wise for producers that export movies (or even release them world-wide at the same time, as they do nowadays) to take a more international approach to attract more nitpickers in the rest of the world. But I think Outbreak isn't a movie that should've focused on the entire world. If there was a pandemic, then sure. But it was a contained epidemic in one little village.

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[–] HeavyMetal4Ever 19 years ago

Just calling a spade a spade. Where am I wrong? If America was infected and dying, I doubt that the rest of the world would enter our minds. There, is that PC enough for you? Kids.

If America were to be infected, why the HELL would we be thinking of anyone else other THAN us? Do you think the recent Tsunami victims were thinking of anyone else other than themselves? No. Those poor souls were thinking of one thing...survival.

"I'd call the French scum bags but that would be a disservice to bags filled with scum."

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[–] Lopekal 19 years ago

It was a film made for an american audience from a mediocre sensationalist book [The Hot Zone by Richard Preston].

The worst thing about America is that you all think that the 'freedom of speech' written into your constitution gives you all the freedom to talk *beep*

When you have nothing to say, say nothing. And you sir, have less than nothing to say.

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[–] chewie402 19 years ago

"The worst thing about America is that you all think that the 'freedom of speech' written into your constitution gives you all the freedom to talk *beep* "

That is EXACTLY what the Freedom Of Speech means....just like you have the freedom (if you're in this country) to spout off what asinine bunch of Anti-American Hooey enters your brain. Doesn't mean I have to like, respect, or agree with what you say....and you, likewise, don't have to like, respect, or agree wtih what I say....but the fact is, I CAN say it.

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[–] Glompable 19 years ago

Lol. Very diplomatic thing to say xD

This movie's on Australian TV tonight so I thought I might come see if it'll be good...though I have a vague suspicion I've already seen it.

Lol, I love all the arguments about America being the centre of the world. It's quite amusing. I mean, in some movies there is a cause to moan and complain (etc. =)) about the 'Oh, like America's the whole world now?' aspect, but from what I've heard of this movie, it's hardly one of them.

Is a movie not allowed to focus on one location? I really don't recall seeing many movies where the setting is many countries.

Unfortunately (yes, unfortunately. I'm a patriotic person and I'd love to see more GOOD Australian movies out there), America happens to be the setting for most movies.

If you've got a problem with it, then go and create a movie set in whatever country you're in.

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[–] HeavyMetal4Ever 19 years ago

"That said, it would perhaps be wise for producers that export movies (or even release them world-wide at the same time, as they do nowadays) to take a more international approach to attract more nitpickers in the rest of the world."

Although I admire the fact that you are thinking of solutions and people like myself are still complaining, I do think that this is the wrong appraoch. If the nitpickers want a movie focused on them, on their way of life, their culture, they should haggle their politicians and local officials to get something going for them. We don't owe the rest of the world anything. In fact, I think it's time for other developed nations (Britain, Germany,Canada, France, China, Japan, etc.) to pick up the slack and start cranking out movies to shut up those who hate on American flicks all the time.

"I'd call the French scum bags but that would be a disservice to bags filled with scum."

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[–] oopik 19 years ago

"I think it's time for other developed nations (Britain, Germany,Canada, France, China, Japan, etc.) to pick up the slack and start cranking out movies to shut up those who hate on American flicks all the time."

Hey, I'm from Canada, and the LAST thing I want is more Canadian productions! 99% of the stuff that our film industry churns out isn't just bad, it's embarrassing (I'm not talking about U.S. movies filmed here, but homegrown Canadian stuff). I have no problem whatsoever with American movies in which the focus is on the U.S. - why shouldn't it be? In this case, "Outbreak" takes place in the States and is localized there pretty much throughout the movie. American filmmakers are pretty good IMHO - The Day After Tomorrow and even Independance Day, to name a few, had a lot of "international" mentions. You don't see that in movies made here - it might violate CRTC Canadian Content rules!! (Don't even get me started on THAT).

I personally find that my own countrymen are wayyy too oversensitive about this issue. Other than "Trailer Park Boys" we can't seem to create anything of substance that's worth watching, so we have to make sure we get a mention in American productions apparently. It's a sad opinion, and one I personally don't share.

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[–] oopik 19 years ago

Thanks for the agreement. Just to clarify though - when I said Canadian movies, I meant films written, produced, and directed by Canadians. I think it's great American filmmakers come north to shoot their work; they usually bring their American dollars with them :) It doesn't bother me at all to see Canadian cities and locales presented as American - usually only the residents of the particular location are the only ones who even notice.

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[–] przgzr 11 years ago

and the LAST thing I want is more Canadian productions!

Please, please, don't ever say this again (I'm being polite, you see, though I'm tempted to say something more rude), because somebody in Canada might hear you. And we, from the rest of the world, those creepy creatures that good Americans call "foreign" meaning something at least as humiliating as the infamous N-word that they don't dare to use any more, we would lose one of the last reliable sources of good movies. You obviously can't imagine how many movies have I watched just because they were made by Canadians (not in Canada, I am able to distinguish it). Movies made in Canada or Quebec (regardless of the language) almost have a sign of quality, similar to those made in Sweden, Czech(oslovakia), Switzerland, Finland... So please... if you aren't able to appreciate what you have at home, please let the rest of us have it, at least as rare drops in the flood coming from your continent, mostly drained from swamps of your southern neighbor.

P.S. It's not an attack on USA movies, there are many of them that I like. And I respect USA as a country that produced so many great movies. Long, long ago. Yes, I still admire it, the way I admire Russian music made by Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Borodin... Long, long ago...

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[–] ariamne 19 years ago

Wow, I just came here to read about movies. Interesting discussion. I find most American movies have a rather left wing world view, with a few exceptions. (And I would argue in support of the war in Iraq). Ciao.

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[–] drumer_94 19 years ago

why don´t you get a life? the planets don`t spin around Estados Unidos

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[–] earth_angel666 19 years ago

i agree with pedro, americans think far too much of themselves, not only that, but they say they want to help the world and yet their main concern is themselves?

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[–] swardrop 19 years ago

Absolutely. And Pedro's original comment wasn't completely off the mark: after all, the open scenes showed the U.S. military nuking a small African village with no mandate whatsoever.

That kind of behavior just might be acceptable from the WHO, but from the U.S. Army? I don't think so ...

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[–] Kryls 19 years ago

I get really tired of the "America Bashing" all the time. This was an American made movie (as most are) about a virus IN AMERICA! It doesnt mean we dont care about the rest of the world! It just meant that if the virus were contained, it would never get the chance to spread to the rest of the world.

Also- you idiots that say America doesnt care about the rest of the world, should check your facts. America and Americans have spent more money feeding the hungry in the rest of the world, then we do in our own country.

EVERY TIME there is a SARS virus or any type of major disastor, we are ALWAYS the first to respond with doctors, money, drinking water, medication and research.

It is always fun to beat up on the "egotistical Americans" until you are the ones in need and then where are you gonna go? You will be knocking on our door like everyone else. Please help us America.

It's sickening!

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[–] rolotomasi99 19 years ago

This is ridiculous. Pedro D was not America bashing! He (She?) was pointing out that while showing a map of the US the character mentioned 'global" spread of the virus. I think it's fair to point out that the US is not the entire world. Jeez.

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[–] oshidori 19 years ago

How dare you try to stay on topic! =p... Well personally I'm an American (italian-american at that =), and was not offended by any posts above (they seemed to be light hearted to begin with) or with most "america-bashing" in general.

Just like any group of people, Americans all have their own opinions, and the vast majority seems to rarely ever agree on anything (the last two presidential elections have been 50%/50% give or take a few %). Now I assume what most people outside of the U.S. see as "americans" is the government (or possibly celebrities, both seeming to have a lot of bad moments lately). As far as the government though, they are our elected officers in most cases, so it is understandable that they could come to represent the face of America. However, as with most other governments, the action taken by them is not always what the people want (even after electing someone, they may not keep the same views or have focus on the same issues they went in with, or told the public). I think for the most part Americans are just like people all around the world. You have your rich and snobby, "middle class", punks, and everyone in between, below, above, and around.

Well, that seemed like a lot of useless babble but maybe someone will get something out of it =). As far as the movie I enjoyed it when I saw it a few years ago. I am planning on renting it to watch tonight (reason for coming to imdb), so it will be interesting to see if I feel the same way about it (I suppose I was 15 or so when I saw it last).

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[–] happygardener2000 19 years ago

I can't imagine and remember that ever a country begged the US for help. So, that is that arrogance of the US: always be the first and then pretend to be the leader, the best and the Big Boss of the world........yeah, America will tell the world how it should be.
Please, America. Be wise, pay/show your responsibility and keep your dignity.

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[–] Bobbyhope2011 12 years ago

Wait, this is what Americans actually believe? America gives the most and is the least selfish nation. No one else gives anything or is able to help themselves while kissing big rich American shoes for help. You need to stop being so insular and arrogant.

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[–] HeavyMetal4Ever 19 years ago

"i agree with pedro, americans think far too much of themselves, not only that, but they say they want to help the world and yet their main concern is themselves?"

What makes you think that? We are the most giving nation on earth. Far more giving than the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Russia, Japan, etc. When stuff goes down, who does the world look to? No really, I'm not making this stuff up people, who does the world look to? America. We are no greedy, we are not self centered, and we think more of others than ourselves. I think the problem is that ignorance is not just a British thing. The whole world hates America, because everyone hates a winner.

"I'd call the French scum bags but that would be a disservice to bags filled with scum."

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[–] MrZoolook 13 years ago

You give arms to foriegn nations... And here was I thinking you sold them!!

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[–] Bobbyhope2011 12 years ago

Perfect example of the American mentality. So arrogant and full of themselves.

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[–] HeavyMetal4Ever 19 years ago

"That scene where some guy was showing a screen with the virus spread on global scale was really funny! LOL The virus didn't pass the canadian and mexican border. :D Some ego you guys have... "

Pedro...why the hell do you think that American filmmakers owe the world something by representing them in this movie? The movie focuses on a small American city, not the world. Why do you people insist on putting down American films. And to show all of America getting infected is part of the plot. What sense would it make to show Germany getting infected? Not much. What sense would it make to show France getting infected...well it would and no one would care, but that's besides the point. People watching the movie would feel that they missed something if the animation shows a country other than the host country being infected.

"I'd call the French scum bags but that would be a disservice to bags filled with scum."

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[–] jezpuh 19 years ago

Really, it doesn't mean anything. Like someone else said, if it were to happen in Russia, they'd show a Russian map. And plus, the director is from Germany. He's not some American patriot bloke.

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[–] AJSiegel-1 19 years ago

Its funny how the same people who are angry at americans for being a superpower and going into other countries business instead of just worrying about their own american problems, are the same people who complain that Americans are concerned just about their own well being in a fictional movie about a virus.

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[–] GreyHunter 19 years ago

Where exactly are you from? Because exercise of power? Hardly a new phenomenon or isolated to the U.S. Take England and her "Empire" for example -- one of the most blatantly imperialistic peace-time policies in recorded history, one to put wartime Germany and Mongolia to shame. And the list goes on and on. By historical standards, America is actually one of the least aggressive superpowers ever. And their only major contender for the title of superpower over the last 50 years, Russia, managed to directly subjugate dozens of sovereign states without so much as a pretense at diplomacy.

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[–] Bobbyhope2011 12 years ago

Try reading a non-American history book. You look like a moron.

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[–] hosinfefer 19 years ago

The World = America

Last I checked Mexico and Canada were part of America.

Also, the Director is German. Is that who you were referring to when you said "you guys".

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[–] Kolith 19 years ago

Finally, someone with some real education, instead of beliefs in political dogma.

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[–] caisus_britannicus 19 years ago

Nope Canada and Mexico are not part of the United States of America they're part of North America.

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[–] drumer_94 19 years ago

First: I usually like the US stuff, but not the ones who just stay in there. And could you stop using the word "america" for the USA? I mean, there ARE other countries in America! I didn't mean that in a bad way, like if I was angry about that, it's just gramatic, and mine might suck, but I write things bad on purpose.

I don't think I'll post here again...

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[–] brodie_kashmir 19 years ago

Did you go to the "28 Days Later..." message board and complain about the virus not escaping the UK?

No? that's what I thought.

Don't be an ass.

Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves!- Bender AIM: brodiekashmir

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[–] Elfinart 19 years ago

Okay, damn! This movie sucked bad, but in spite of that people really believed it deserved an extended debate about patriotism. It didn't. It was just bad.

Then again I just had a thought... George W. Bush sucks bad and people are always arguing about HIM and patriotism....

Okay, maybe OUTBREAK was worth all the debate afterall.

My bad.

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[–] Pedro_D 19 years ago

wow this topic has grown.
I wasnt bashing anyone, just pointing out a mistake in the movie. Bad title choice.
bye now, love your movies..

relax you crazy gringos =D

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[–] MrZoolook 13 years ago

To be fair, the phrase "go global" (ie: 'the virus will go global' etc) was not used in 28 Days Later. Additionally, being an island, even if the whole UK popolation DID become infected, it would be reletively easy to contain anyway... thus the chances of becoming an actual WORLDWIDE infection are pretty remote. The USA on the other hand has land borders with other countries, and by the time the scene in question was shown, the virus was known to be airborne, and thus easily transmitted over those borders.

Of course, there is such a thing as artistic license however, and as with any movie - ITS A BLOODY FILM, DOES IT 'REALLY' *beep* MATTER???

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[–] snksaint 19 years ago

I have nothing against American people,just American leaders and people that generate the aggresive

you guys should learn some geography, America is the name for a CONTINENT not for only one country, USA (the only country of the world without a name, since Canada and Mexico are United States of America too), so americans are also mexicans, canadians, peruvians, brazilians etc.

its a pity that people from USA dont have a genitive to mention refer to theirselves, you should have to say always "people from USA" or "USA people" or "USers" maybe

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[–] aguamarina4u 19 years ago

WELL SAID Suksaint!!! Applause ;-) Some people are sooooo ignorant about us Americans! BTW, we are the world he he he!

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[–] snksaint 15 years ago

eat my s h i t you brainless US american piece of s h i t

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[–] Sgt_Floyd_Pepper 18 years ago

umm, Snksaint, it is not only peolpe from the USA that refer to us as Americans. People from all over the world say that. Like it or not, when someone says American or America they mean the USA. If you are Canadian or Mexican and went abroad would you tell folks you are American? I doubt it. you would say you are either Canadian or Mexican. I have meet people from all over the world and THEY ask "Are you American?" I understand that the continent of North America equals Canada, the U.S., and Mexico, but you have to accept the fact that the terms America and Americans is the general term for the U.S. and its inhabitants and it is used world wide.

Americans make films with Americans as the core demographic. Yes these films get world wide exposure, though.

-Not everyone; just maybe 99.999999% of them deserve to be flatheads.

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[–] delisadecastro 12 years ago

Sgt Floyd, you must be a military man, right?
No, you are wrong about your assumptions. WE, OTHER AMERICANS NOT BORN IN THE USA, DO NOT REFFER TO USA AS AMERICA! (when I say other americans, I mean all the people born in the continent of America). We say United States to reffer to the country, not America (that is european and asian form).
The official name of most countries in America begun with "United States of Something". Example: United States of Brazil, which later changed to Republic of Brazil. Only USA continues to use this outdated name (no mention of republic).
Exactly because no other country in AMERICA uses United States in their name anymore, it is the only way to distinguish your country from other countries in America.
And, yes, we say americans, but only because there is no other to call you... How could we call you then? United Stateners? LOL

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[–] serenity622 19 years ago

Uh, it would spread through America before it hit anywhere else, since it was in America. Once it got out of America, I am sure they would update their maps. Well actually, they would probably all be dead, so the other countries would have to use their own maps. See, everybody has a map. LOL!

Hey you know whats funny. I always thought that dogs..um..laid eggs. And I learned something today.

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[–] Pedro_D 19 years ago

lol check out this img: http://files.rocketfish.net/files/macros/america_big.gif

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