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Look Britain, check it out.


Ireland belongs to the people of Ireland. England whored Irish law, land and tongue through the penal laws and *beep* the Irish people over for x times infinity. This is without dispute and is not up for debate.

The fact that Ian Paisley today considers that he has a fair claim to the North is disgusting, as he's a human spit-bucket and would be better served in prison with the rest of the terrorists. The fact that he is trying to block the irish language act is revolting and is further proof that he is intolerant to native culture. The only plus side is that death is knocking on his elderly door soon enough.. Not that it will help because he's *beep* the system by breeding another rat bigot in his son, who's already shown hatred to the gay community and catholic community.

So listen up Brits - We the people of Ireland are sick of your *beep* Begone, depart Ireland. Never return. You don't belong here and you never have. Your union jack is a god-awful flag, symbolic of imperialism. Your absurd views on current foreign politics such as Iraq strengthens my current views on you that you are an imperialist-globalist state - still to this day! PS: Your prime minister is a Scotsman with an English accent.. Identity check, please!

Leave the beautiful people of Ireland & Scotland alone - and any other unfortunate people you managed to *beep* over during the course of your horrid existance.

Yours sincerly,
Ireland




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Personally, I'm sick of the sight of the Union Jack as well, and I'm English. Believe what you want to believe, but you can't generalise any country and that applies to England as well as Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Kazakhstan, Austria, Germany, anywhere you care to name. Anyone who glorifies Britain's, primarily England's, imperialism in the past is an idiot. Equally, anyone who believes that every single person in England is an imperialist is also an idiot. If you're going to shoot your mouth off, shoot it off at the government, not the people.

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My message was aimed at the Government! I've no quarral with England as a population.

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Ok, my apologies, I obviously wasn't reading it properly. (This is what happens when I'm running on three hours of sleep.:P) Seriously though, I apologise.

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Would you ever cop on to yourself? I'm sure the British Government is avidly watching this site for updates! The only English (or British, who are you mad at again?) reading this will be the ones interested in Irish history and culture, although after your comments maybe they won't be anymore.

Nice one!

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"Personally, I'm sick of the sight of the Union Jack as well, and I'm English".

This seems to be a bit of a syndrome among Brits these days. They're the only nation I've come across that seem embarrassed by patriotism. Can they really be the same lot that used to sing Rule Britannia?

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Jeez John, what rattled your cage? Never known you go this overboard before!
Just wondering if your rant applies to the English who live in Ireland? Do they have to sell their house, pack their Guinness glasses and leave, shillalagh in hand("A souvenier of Galway")??!! What about the tourists? If I believe the ads on the telly I'll roll into a pub, slurp a Guinness, listen to Irish folk (probably playing "F!ck off you English bastards"), and I'll be invited to dance by a pretty colleen. Instead it looks like I'll be shown the door of the pub and of the ferry soon afterwards!
My absurd views on Iraq- what me? I thought, and still think we shouldn't be there along with a majority of my other countrymen (and women). Most Brits think the army should be defending Britain not stopping poppies in Afghanistan and sitting at Basra airport. If it's an absurd view thinking that all the lads should come back home, what's a really silly one?
Yup, we've got a Celtic PM, a fellow Celt like yourself. The last one was a bit of a Cun...sorry a Celt too, although he wasn't really Scottish but half Irish (OK and half English too, even though Dad Leo had been brought up a Scot). So we can blame your lot at least halfway for the decision to invade Iraq!
Yup, we'll go. But keep the Unionists will you? Paisley's so loud he'd keep me awake at night even if the git moved to London, and I live near Newcastle.
We'll still drink the odd pint of Guinness if you don't mind as well.

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As much as I love reading a good old ranting whine, I suggest you at least try and get your history of the British Union right before bitching about it...

Leave the beautiful people of Ireland & Scotland alone


Scotland is just as much a part of Great Britain as England and Wales, the Union of the Crowns was brought about by a Scottish King, currently the UK has a Scottish Prime Minister.... and a huge percentage of the "Prods" you no doubt want removed from NI are of Scottish descent.

Portafold is a more diplomatic pleasant chap than me.... I just think you sound like a whiney tit


[I'd rather be an Aboriginie's Underpants than Himalhomoyithian]

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The people of course, but I didn't realise the people should be held accountable every time the government screws up. I didn't have much say in whether my country should go storming into Iraq, for example. I don't think the miners would have been too chuffed to be held responsible for Margaret Thatcher either.

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Do not try to speak on our behalf. The English do not need to leave us 'beautiful Scots' alone because the majority of us voted for unionist parties at last years election.

I'm proud to be Scottish/British

To many people in Britain the Irish flag is a symbol of death and terrorism.

If you asked 90% of Brits about NI they would say 'just give it back'. We are generally a humble peaceful people. This constant anti-British filth is not good for Anglo-Irish relations.

Reasonable Irish and Brits see each other as people not flags.

You leave us alone

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"To many people in Britain the Irish flag is a symbol of death and terrorism."

thats funny,since the meaning of the flag is catholics and protestants coming together for peace...look closely at the colours.

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The English are a mixed race of people, and our history is steeped in immigration. Danes/Scandanavians (Viking Dane Law), Celts, Romans, Anglo Saxons, Normans, Jutes, Frisians, Franks, Jews, Chinese etc have all shaped Britain, as has immigration from across the world and from across the old Empire.

The most significant Irish exodus followed the worst of a series of potato crop failures in the 1840s - the Great Famine. It is estimated that more than one million people emigrated to England. A further wave of emigration to England also took place between the 1930s and 1960s, and it continued intermittently thereafter. Ireland's population fell from more than 8 million to just 6.5 million from 1841-51. A century later it was down to 4.3 million. By the late-19th century, emigration was heaviest from Ireland's most rural southern and western counties. Cork, Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Tipperary and Limerick alone provided nearly half of southern Ireland's emigrants. Some of this movement was temporary, made up of seasonal harvest labourers working in Britain and returning home for winter and spring. By the mid-1930s, England was, by necessity, the choice of many who had to leave Ireland. Britain's wartime economy (1939-45) and post-war boom attracted many Irish people to expanding towns such as London, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and Luton.

Close to three quarters of the Irish who emigrated over the past seventy years, now live in England. By 1971, over 900,000 Irish people lived in England, while the population of our Republic was less than three million. The vast majority of Irish people in England left in the 1950s when over 500,000 emigrated to England mainly moving to Manchester, the Midlands and London. This was the period of the disappearing Ireland when two out of every three children born in the State in the 1930s and 1940s emigrated! Their children make up the lion’s share of today’s Irish in Britain.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-england s-gain

It has been estimated that around 35% of Manchester's population has Irish ancestry (or more than one in three people). Manchester's Irish Festival, including a St Patrick's Day parade, is one of Europe's largest. Liverpool, Birmingham, Gasgow, London etc have large Irish communities.

Over 6 million people in Britain qualify for an Irish passport having Irish grandparents, whilst as many as one in four people claim Irish heritage.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/sep/13/britishidentity.travelnews

Recently 1 million polish and East Europeans arrived in the UK, and the UK has had immigrants from across the old Empire over the years. We owned Hong Kong, and our cities have sizeable China towns, Liverpools being the oldest China town in Europe. Most cities also have curry miles, the Indian equivalent if a China town. There are British Italians known as Britalians and cities like London and Birmingham are extremely multi-cultural.

You would think the English were some homogenious race given some of the comments.

In fact recent DNA research suggests that three quarters of the UK population and indeed the Irish population can be traced back to the Basques (Spanish and French).

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7817

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_headline=-most-of-th e-gene-pool-of-the-british-isles-is-very-ancient--it-has-nothing-to-do -with-celts-or-anglo-saxons--------&method=full&objectid=18479 183&siteid=50082-name_page.html

More on UK Irish Immigration.

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/irish/irish.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/short_hi story_of_immigration.stm

The English have strong regional accents and identity, and are certainly not the upper class music hall type villans potrayed in Hollywood films, with their cut glass accents. Many parts of England are taditional working class areas and have suffered poverty. Authors such as Dickens in his mumerous works and Orwell with works such as 'The Road to Wigan Pier' paint a picture of the hardships many communities in England endured. There have been food riots in in England before, in WW2 over 1.5 million houses were destroyed during the London Blitz, whilst we had food rationing during the war and on until the early 1950's.

Sadly the Hollywood sterotype of the English is often at best laughable and at worst offensive.

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You only say it is a symbol of death and terrorism because we had the guts to fight back. You brits arent really happy when people fight back are you?

Stay Gold Pony

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Ireland belongs to the people of Ireland. England whored Irish law, land and tongue through the penal laws and *beep* the Irish people over for x times infinity. This is without dispute and is not up for debate.

The fact that Ian Paisley today considers that he has a fair claim to the North is disgusting, as he's a human spit-bucket and would be better served in prison with the rest of the terrorists. The fact that he is trying to block the irish language act is revolting and is further proof that he is intolerant to native culture. The only plus side is that death is knocking on his elderly door soon enough.. Not that it will help because he's *beep* the system by breeding another rat bigot in his son, who's already shown hatred to the gay community and catholic community.

So listen up Brits - We the people of Ireland are sick of your *beep* Begone, depart Ireland. Never return. You don't belong here and you never have. Your union jack is a god-awful flag, symbolic of imperialism. Your absurd views on current foreign politics such as Iraq strengthens my current views on you that you are an imperialist-globalist state - still to this day! PS: Your prime minister is a Scotsman with an English accent.. Identity check, please!

Leave the beautiful people of Ireland & Scotland alone - and any other unfortunate people you managed to *beep* over during the course of your horrid existance.

Yours sincerly,
Ireland




Most English/British people are not that concerned if NI remains part of the Union or not. Unsurprisingly it is the two opposing sectarian groups in NI who are most concerned as to whether NI is part of the UK or a United Ireland.

The British Army was originally sent there in the late 60's to protect the Catholic population and stop sectarian violence from spreading to the mnainland (where places such as Glasgow have deep divisions). However the Army (after being initially welcomed by Catholics) quickly became seen as an occupying force rather than as a peacekeeping force.

In my opinion the British Army should have been replaced by a UN force in the 70's, thus taking England/Britain out of the equation.

NI now largely runs it's own affairs from Stormont, and as far as most British people are concerned that is fine, and they can entirely run themselves from Stormont as an independent state or indeed as part of a united Ireland. The Army has now also largely withdrawn from the north. As for the protestant (loyalist) population they are Northern Irish, not English, Scottish or Welsh, and they have been part of Northern Ireland for centuries.

Sectarianism is rather pathetic and sad, with history often being used as an excuse to reinforce Sectarian views and feelings even further. What we should be doing the opposite, and encouraging people to stop singing songs about massacres that occurred four hundred years ago, and encouraging them not to stab each other to death over religous or historic events, which are usually potrayed inaccurately by Hollywood films.

Sectarianism in Scotland - this BBC Documentary should give you an insight in to the sad state of affairs that is sectarianism

Scotlands Secret Shame Documentary - BBC Panorama - 2005

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca454mmOAqs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4284023.stm

Another preconception is that most Irish people support the paramilitaries, this is not true at all, many hate them and are horrified by the violence. Sadly both the Loyalist and Republican paramilitaries have now become increasingly involved in organised crime.




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"The British Army was originally sent there in the late 60's to protect the Catholic population and stop sectarian violence from spreading to the mnainland (where places such as Glasgow have deep divisions). However the Army (after being initially welcomed by Catholics) quickly became seen as an occupying force rather than as a peacekeeping force. "

You make it all seem like that happened for nothing and we can all put it in a box and avoid the real facts. You forgetting internment? Hundreds of people were jailed and beaten by the protestant controlled army for nothing, sometimes for years upon years. Something like %2 of these people were protestants.

And lets not forget bloody sunday, plus the countless other obviously sectarian actions of the British Army. The catholic people didn't turn on the army for nothing

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"Ireland belongs to the people of Ireland. England whored Irish law, land and tongue through the penal laws ....yadda-yadda"

"So listen up Brits ... yadda-yadda..."

What I love about movies dealing with Ireland-versus-Britain, or the IRA, or any of that stuff, is the way it brings all the nut-jobs out of the wood work.

This penfold guy slays me! How Irish is a name like penfold anyway?

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