Is there anyone who has the courage to say this movie is stupid and sucks? I've tried watching TBL several times, and have seen many clips of it. I think this is the kind of movie that a big aggressive crowd acclaims greatness too that is not really that great ... kind of like Trump supporters.
shareI have no problems saying it. I absolutely love the Cohen Brothers, so I saw this in theaters when it was first released. As soon as the movie ended I forgot everything I'd seen. It just didn't resonate to me on any level and there wasn't anything worth remembering other than the bathtub and ferret scene.
I think people like it so much because they like the spirit in which it was made, not necessarily the movie itself.
That is an interesting take on the movie ... could be. Moviemakers are employing all kinds of clever neuroscientific tricks to up their sales these days.
shareExcellent trolling.
shareIt is the most normal reaction to consider this movie stupid. But it is stupid only on the surface. It was made that way because it was meant to make stupid people realize that they are stupid. A lot about this movie is explained here
https://youtu.be/W940eDIQBE8
Watch it. It answers your question.
If I can work myself up to caring enough I'll take a look.
shareGive it a try. It shows that the movie isn't bad at all and actually tells some very important things. The movie addresses exactly the question of the stupidity of the masses.
shareBut I am just not interested in the point of view that this movie is not bad ... I already saw it and evaluated it for myself, and I don't like ads trying to change my mind. What you suggest is kind of ludicrous.
shareBut it is a fact that there is something about this movie that you do not understand. You don't understand why so many people like it. Hence, you do not understand either this movie, or people in general. You have all the right to consider it bad, as well as the right to wonder why so many people liked it. They also evaluated the movie and don't want anyone to change their opinion. The possible truth is that both, you and them, didn't get the movie, which puts all of you in the same position.
And by the way, "to be not interested in a particular answer" is a pure ignorance.
If you cannot explain in words what it is about this movie that you think makes it worthwhile then I am not really interested in making a project out of it. I've been on these boards or bulletin board things for 20+ years now and I know how people play around with words and ideas to push opinions that are usually pretty useless. It's called rationalization.
shareWhy should I be interested in proving anything to you? Why should I care that much? You can not put a whole life in a two hour movie, the same way you can not explain such a complex thing as movie in a couple of words. I may give you the answer, the way I saw it, but it won't work, because without providing the proof it is pointless. This video (in fact, there is three parts), tries to present such a proof. Anyway, it's up to you to decide whether you want to search for the answer or not. Just as it happens with most of the questions in our lives. I have zero interest in convincing you of anything. Why would I need that? Why do I need you? All I'm doing is suggesting you an explanation to a question that bothers you. And I won't bother you any longer.
share> Why should I be interested in proving anything to you? Why should I care that much?
I have no idea. What I always find funny is how people will taunt someone asking them to provide them with a motive assuming that if they cannot there must not be a motive. That's a little silly.
General concepts can be explained simply and usually if they cannot there is not much there. I don't get that you seem offended or angry that I choose not to delve in to the complexities of a movie I don't feel really warrants it.
Besides, there is no proof, it is all opinion. I am not mad or insulting because you might like the movie.
> Why would I need that? Why do I need you?
There you go again. ;-)
You are not bothering me. I would really be interested in your opinion if you took the time to write about it I would read it.
That's the only thing I can do for you:
https://www.reddit.com/r/filmtheory/comments/l39x4a/the_big_lebowski_and_how_it_described_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Well, I've got the courage to say when I don't like a film - even a popular or beloved one - but The Big Lebowski is a classic and one of the Coen Bros.' best works.
Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but maybe it's not a categorically bad film just because you can't get into it. Maybe not everybody you dislike or disagree with is a Trump-supporter or deserves to be compared with one. Maybe, even, people you don't agree with can be clever, intelligent, or have good taste, too.
> Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but maybe it's not a categorically bad film just because you can't get into it.
It could be, but the way you phrased that is pretty much devoid of meaning. Don't feel you need to defend people I did not attack.
I'm saying just because you, in-particular, don't enjoy something, that doesn't mean that that un-enjoyed thing is bad or stupid.
Your original post says the film is stupid and sucks and asks for people to have the courage to say so, implying that "fans" of the movie know it's stupid and it sucks, but they're just sycophants or cowards who won't admit it, or fools for believing it.
> just because you, in-particular, don't enjoy something, that doesn't mean that that un-enjoyed thing is bad or stupid.
Uh, well sometimes it can.
Just like sometimes you can tell people defend or talk up a movie that is a crappy movie. I don't know why. There has to be something substantial in a movie before it is good, in my opinion. For some people that is special effects, for others it is a rebellious attitude that they cannot even describe, for some it is car crashes, or chase scenes, or various uncovered parts of women, or I suppose men, but I have not heard much of that.
So, I do discount someone who says a movie is a good because it shows so-and-so's boobs. In this case I've never heard a coherent story as to why people like this movie. They think Jeff Bridges is somehow cool because he is kind of an idiot who makes it through harebrained adventures. That is what I think is not enough, plus I just did not find it entertaining.
It is so rare on these boards to hear someone intelligently criticize a movie. Usually they are trolls or fans that call some movie the best movie and acted or directed by a genius - either way it is interesting to read the rare post when someone an articulately describe what they see and like or dislike in a movie. The only problem with it is that there are always people on the other side that some in and ruin the discussion with vapid meaningless talk.
Sure, sometimes things are bad and/or stupid.
I like the Big Lebowski because it has strange, odd characters who make me laugh. They're quirky, weird, and fun, and yet a lot of them are shadows or slightly distorted reflections of real-world people. The super-hippy "Dude", the machismo of Walter, Maude...I've heard of, heard from, seen, or met a lot of people like these.
So, one thing to say: it does show us a cross-section of reality. It is holding the mirror up to nature, even if it is maybe a funhouse mirror.
There's also the genre, which is a Reese's peanut butter cup of noir-thriller and stoner comedy. "Hey, you got your chocolate in my peanut butter!" One of the things that makes the movie so funny, fresh, and delightful, is that it takes a plot which *should* feature Philip Marlowe and plunks in a zen boomer. Sam Spade's busy, call Willie Nelson.
So, it's a twist on a genre, but like stuff like Shaun of the Dead or Hot Fuzz, if you came for a comedy you get it, but if you came for a mystery-thriller, you get that with Lebowski, too.
The garnish, the sprinkles, the cherry on top, are the weird-o flourishes like Sam Elliott's narrator or the Jesus.
And my conclusion: it's a comedy and I laugh at it. The first time I watched it and Walter emptied out that coffee tin, I laughed like a hyena. When the nihilists drop the ferret and the Dude shrieks like a Girl Guide, I howled like a monkey. So, I can analyze it (see above) all I want, but at the end of the day, this sucker makes me laugh.
> I like the Big Lebowski because it has strange, odd characters who make me laugh.
Well, OK then.
> it does show us a cross-section of reality.
I would not call some Hollywood movie reality in any way though.
Sounds like you see this as a kind of slapstick comedy.
I gave you a bunch of reasons why I like the movie to engage with you and give more of a reason (things you said you wanted, "I've never heard a coherent story as to why people like this movie," and saying you wanted to engage with talk about these movies. Then, when I tried, you reply with, "Well, OK then."?
I didn't say the film was real. I said that it was a distorted reality. Calvin and Hobbes isn't realistic, but it captures the fantasy, frustration, and frenzy of being a tiny kid so, so well that it resonates with a lot of people. Kids heads aren't that big. It's not real, but it shows us truth. It feels real because we've been there, or some version of there. Likewise, nobody's quite as weird and out-there as people like the Dude. People don't usually get embroiled in the twisty shenanigans and convoluted schemes like in this film, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have truths to show us about people. And as far as wacky plots go, I've seen some true, in-real-life hum-dingers.
I called this movie a blend of film noir and stoner comedy. I didn't say slapstick at all.
its not the movie that's the problem its the viewer.... kidding yaa it was meh for me too
share"I can't make an actual argument as to why this [ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT CLASSIC] movie 'sucks', so, I know what I'll do, I'll insult the legions of people who do derive immense pleasure from this movie that sadly mystifies a tiny minority of sad, unfortunate people, by comparing them to Trumpers! That will win the argument!"
shareIf you want an argument you must ask politely. It's just a movie. If you are going to stake your heart and soul on something this stupid movie is a poor substitute for a life.
shareIt sucks and is stupid.
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