Encourages class warfare and domestic violence, and I personally know a group of 15-year old teens who started a fight club but quit after they realized 1) fist fighting HURTS, and 2) fist-fighting HURTS!
Somebody needs to read Any Rand and grow up...
I agree with ya.
shareIs this an evil movie? No.
Does it present a recognisable malaise and trans millennial disillusion? Yes
Is bloodily beating each other and strangers presented as the answer? In the end. Not really.
Could it have done a better job of showing that the men who do follow Durden are idiots? Yes.
Hahaha ... I agree with your first paragraph ... but "Fight Club" is Ayn Rand's exact vision.
There are some movies that I try to watch and try to understand what people see in them. "Flight Club" is a movie I have no use for and can find no point in.
This movie has good and bad parts and points about it.
It's based on a pretty nihilistic book by some atheist, so it's to be expected.
There's an innocent guy who tries his best to conform to the contradictory messages he's being bombarded with, and eventually, he can't take it anymore, but develops schizophrenia (as it used to be called), and 'creates Tyler' to match the individual he'd LIKE to be, if this world didn't scare him into being something completely different.
Now, it's worth pointing out, that actual 'multiple personalities' do not work like shown in the movie, and are pretty much multiple, separate souls using one body, because there's a malfunction in the body's energy systems or something, so the protection is not as it's supposed to be, etc.
There can usually only be one soul that has an attached silver cord, however, so the other bodies are just visitors. Sometimes a 'walk-in' can also be arranged or happen, but it's pretty rare (the original owner cuts its cord, and another soul attaches a new one before the body can shut down).
This movie has evil people, good people, innocent people, depressed people, you name it. It's lying to classify this WHOLE movie as evil, although it DOES have some questionable material, told in questionable way.
I don't like much of the 'tone' of the movie, as it's incredibly BLEAK. This movie seems to worship misery, decadence, dilapitation and ugliness; so much dark, grey, gloomy crap, depressing, grey, badly-lit basements and so on.
I am not sure what all the messages are, for example, why do they punch the crap out of the 'cute car', but leave the 'regular car' alone? Aren't they AGAINST conformism and dull life? So the second someone tries to express themselves in a daily purchase, like a car, and do something slightly out-of-the-dull-ordinary, these guys punish that??
There's a good point about how CORPORATIONS run things, and how people have changed from human beings to OBEDIENT CONSUMERS..
..so there's some philosophy to discuss (albeit superficial kitchen-variety), and the big topics of 'materialism, consumerism, corporatism and advertisement' are good to shove to people's faces, because otherwise, they clearly wouldn't even understand what's going on and what they're doing in their daily lives (not that they do anyway though).
The METHODS this movie presents, and the IDENTITY this movie tries to show as a good one, are clearly wrong, though. These people are miserable, downtrodden by this crazy, misandristic world, told that you can't talk or complain about it, because you have genitalia of type A, so they flock to ANY kind of 'solution' they can find, even if it means their face gets broken.
However, then they become a cult and TRRRSTs, so that's when it's easy to lose support of them. After all, this part clearly shows that it's their own fault for identifying as 'monkeys that can be launched to space', as Tyler calls them - suddenly they lose all individuality to OBEY RULES - where did we just see this before? Corporate rules bad, cult rules good?
It's exactly because men are LOST in this movie's world (as well as real world) that they can be so easily manipulated and they become so malleable. This movie doesn't show well enough how WOMEN manipulate men, and how women are USED to manipulate men, and how much power women have over men. It doesn't go over the unfairness of women being able to be a camgirl in a cozy room and rake in big bucks, while men have to stand neck-deep in sewage and fix smelly pipes in the winter, and still don't rake in nearly as much money.
Ultimately, it's the men's OWN FAULT that they become what they do in this movie, because they STILL do not have their own identity, their own courage, their own self-determination, but they GIVE THEMSELVES COMPLETELY to Tyler and his crazy cult, Tyler just takes advantage of this crap.
Heck, he even uses actual brainwashing techniques of constantly bombarding depressing lies.
Bombarding the men with depressing lies, like 'You are not special', 'You are not a snowflake', which is clearly wrong. Everone IS unique and special, and that does NOT mean that 'no one is', because i'ts not a competition, it's a collaboration (every atom in the Universe is unique).
Of course these days saying 'you are not a snowflake' can be seen as a compliment, but that's besides the point.
I think this movie actually SHOWS how the world works, even if it's through a crazy story of an insane individual.
It shows how easily people are duped into all kinds of cults and ideals, just because it SEEMS a solution to the ever-pervasive, omnipresent corporate culturism (heck, after a renovation, my electric box must have the same logo printed about 45 times, as if 1 wasn't enough! Every damn switch HAS to have that logo above it.. if this isn't insane, I don't know what is) and all the misandry it depresses and stomps men with.
Women have freedoms men don't, but if you call it inequality, the floodgates of shaming language open, and you are a wimp, loser, and all those things that mean 'you can't get laid', etc.
This movie shows how corporations push men to the edge, and then act surprised, when men explode. It shows men finding an avenue to express their misery and desperation, and how powers-that-be use that to send men to murder each other in unnecessary wars to faraway places, except that in this movie, Tyler becomes that power, and the wars happen right in the city.
The idea of 'equalizing debt' is a stupid one, and a very 'enabling' - I mean, you take away consequences, you take away people's responsibility, so now they would be free to make more debt. They wouldn't learn without consquences.
If you are stupid enough to be deep in debt, it's YOUR FAULT, but this movie takes this fault away, so now you didn't learn anything because there were no consequences. Damn enablers.
The story is unrealistic and crazy, but this movie DOES point out a few truths that other movies are afraid to even talk about.
How many movies DARE question the necessity of women in men's lives? This is what enraged feminists and all the misandristic matriarchy-supporters and fanboys here as well, to write comments against this movie.
It's a pretty ugly and depressing movie, but it DOES underline men's misery quite realistically, it does show corporate insanity quite realistically, and it dares ask the question whether 'another woman' is the solution men need... for THIS, I have to give this movie some kudos.
An EVIL movie would never do that, it would just go alone with the feminist narrative, where men are bad and toxic, and women are good and angelic. This movie shows that there's a lot of desperation when you put men into this kind of oppressive misery, and that the desperation can explode in corporations' and womens' faces.
But sure, look at the fight scenes and call it a 'toxic masculinity' - EXACTLY the hypocritical behaviour this movie is trying to educate people about.. talk about WOOSH!
Amazing that someone could watch this and conclude it encourages violence (and domestic violence? WTF?). Like thinking Trainspotting encourages heroin abuse.
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