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Magnolia is not a great movie


It was a really long and boring movie about terrible people making terrible life choices and then over 3 hours later it finally ends with frogs falling from the sky.

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I agree. It is vastly overrated, a 5/10 from me.

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Delete this before more people see it.

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No.

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Yes.

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It IS a great movie. I hadn’t seen it since it came out. I remembered it being Cruise’s best performance. I saw it at the Nuart in WLA a few months ago wondering if it was what I thought it was at the time. And it was even better. When it ended, there was applause for five minutes. In a regular theater.

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I disagree completely. Magnolia is not a great movie.

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It is. A great movie.

Anyone who thinks Avatar is a good movie cannot be a judge of ANY movie.

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anderson himself has said a few critical things about it over the years, i believe. it has some passionate advocates, certainly. i'm relatively lukewarm on it, at least by the standards of his films, all of which i like.

it's way too long, no question, but it's loaded with great moments. i appreciate it as a moon shot, a guy letting his talent run all over the place.

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Is that true about Anderson being critical of this movie? I thought I read a quote of him saying something like: "for better or worse, Magnolia is best film I'll ever make." Which I would personally agree with.

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he's basically said that it should have been edited down - i hope i didn't make it sound like he hated it or anything.

here are the quotes i was able to find:

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/01/06/when-david-foster-wallace-taught-paul-thomas-anderson/

"Anderson wouldn’t disagree with that assessment, I suspect—in his WTF interview, he confesses that he’d cut the film entirely differently if he made it today. (“I wasn’t really editing myself,” he says. “It’s way too fucking long.”) If you’re not familiar with WTF, the Anderson episode is a great starting point: you can listen to the whole thing here."


https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7quthe/im_paul_thomas_anderson_writer_and_director_of/dss3g5x/?context=8&depth=9


lilbunited
q: If you could go back, what’s one thing you’d tell yourself while making Magnolia?

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a: Chill The Fuck Out and Cut Twenty Minutes

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Interesting. I believe the quote I had read was from back closer to the the film’s initial release. Perhaps his opinion of the work has changed a bit since then, which would be understandable. Either way, I appreciate the info.

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no problem. happy movie-chatting to you.

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I loved it, it's awesome, filled with great performances depicting interesting characters, and you might want to put a spoiler-alert in your post/title before lobbing the ending into a message board thread.

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a spoiler alert would be good, absolutely.

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Fixed it. I totally forgot about hiding the spoiler.

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Easy thing to overlook, and decent of you to add the black bars.

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I really enjoyed the movie. Indeed it was full of flawed characters, and terrible people, but most of them were trying their hardest to work through their flaws, or learn how to live their lives despite their flaws. I thought that it was very reminiscent of real life in that regard. I know that I certainly haven't always done what I should have in my life. I know that I regret a lot of things that I did, and how I treated other people sometimes. There were times that I should have been more empathic to the problems of others around me, and sadly I wasn't. So, I could really relate to the movie.

And what happened at the end of the movie DOES indeed happen in real life.

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I agree that it is indeed long. But not boring. Just slow, and meandering at times.
I genuinely enjoy this film, but it has a certain vibe that only works if the viewer is in a particularly lethargic mood. I don’t rewatch it often, but if I’m in the proper mood it never disappoints. Darkly comic, emotionally straining, and hypnotic. A great dead-of-night film.
A bit indulgent, sure, but satisfying all the same, in my humble opinion.

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found this in another thread: "pretentious and hollow, 100% gradschoolish in a bad way."
perfect description.

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Best drama film ever in my view. Great acting by everyone involved in it. But I can see some legit reasons why some people don't like it. I just wish the film would have been named "Frogs". lol, that would have been the perfect title.

Although, Amadeus might be a little better. That was a great one too. My two favorite dramas for sure.

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A massive Paul Thomas Anderson fan and he's one of the greatest living directors today, It's Anderson most flawed film even though I think it's still a great film but it would be down in the bottom of the list for his films. It's definitely not up there with his great work like There Will Be Blood, Boogie Nights, Punch Drunk Love and The Master for me.

But I still love Magnolia, I do agree with Anderson that he could have edited it down to maybe 2hr 30minute film and it would have been a far stronger film (honestly feel Anderson would probably make a far stronger film today with this script imo). But there's a lot of great stuff in this, Tom Cruise, Jason Robards and Philip Seymour Hoffman parts of the film are probably the strongest parts of the film. All the cast are excellent but some sections don't work as strong as others and I feel maybe if Anderson worked a bit more on others or cut others out it probably would have made a stronger film. Aimee Mann's music is also another great part of the film.

I think it's slight step down from Boogie Nights and Anderson came back with a even better film in Punch Drunk Love following this. And it's not my favourite of his films but it's still a very good film.

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I always feel that if a film is released "long," that's the version we should stick with and its what the director really wanted to say at the time.

More often in film history, film critics have been enraged when "short" versions are released -- Once Upon a Time in America being the primary example. Once re- released with an additional hour or so, Once Upon a Time in America revealed itself to be a great film and an epic that had been "butchered" for commercial considerations that didn't pan out anyway(it flopped in that short version.)

Having seen all of Magnolia, I can't really think of what scenes HAD to go -- I responded to all of them.

The film needed that introduction of "coincidence fables" to set the themes(narrated by the late, great Ricky Jay.) And everything builds and builds and builds(under the influence of a score that keeps tricking us by sounding like "end of the movie music" but the movie doesn't end) to that great frog finale.

I like it long.

And think of this. Magnolia is no longer than, say, three episodes of The Sopranos or any other series that can be "binged." Three hours isn't that long at all.

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