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Can't stand Penny Lane. Anyone else?


I love Almost Famous. As a 26 year old who discovered classic rock during middle school, this movie makes me wish I had been around in the 60s and 70s when, in my opinion, music was at its very best.

Having said that, one thing about this movie has always bothered me, and that's the character of Penny Lane. I'm not familiar with "groupies", or "band-aids", or whatever they choose to call themselves. I don't know what it's like to follow a band around, or how life is on the road. Is this how "groupies" acted back in the day, fawning over rock stars? Penny Lane just aggravates me every single time I watch this film. I understand she is supposed to be "cool" and kind of "mysterious", but it's more annoying than it is fascinating. She seems delusional (chasing after Russell), and the little games she plays (like how Anna Paquin's character narrates the scene at the party: "Act One, in which she pretends she doesn't care about him . . .", and then proceeds to tell William that Penny used him as an excuse to go to the party to see Russell), and just how she acts in general. It comes off as if she's trying too hard to be cool, at least to me. Is she just a young girl in love who does the typical stupid things that young girls in love usually do? I know that, by the end of the movie, she seems to wake up and has a change of heart, but she just p*sses me off throughout the entire film.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find her obnoxious? Am I missing the point of the character? (Probably. Things always go over my head.)

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The character is pretty representative of how "groupies" were during the 1960's and 70's. They followed bands, cheered for them, and yes...even slept with them. Even though her name escapes me at the moment, there was a groupie from the 60's that would make plaster molds of certain rock star's genitals (Jimi Hendrix comes to mind as one of them).
Penny (as revealed in the film) is only 16 years old, so yes, a bit of her is the naive schoolgirl with a crush, but part of her truly is in love with Russell. We see it all the time in life and film, where the older (and sometimes notorious/famous) man is able to charm the young, naive girl and is able to turn their crush into a full blown case of puppy love. Russell really is the one to blame as he continuously takes advantage of Penny affections, despite the fact that he is married (albiet unhappily and constantly promises her that he will leave his wife for her), and is able to take the young girl and turn her into his own personal play toy.
Like many (if not most) rock stars of the time, these women are disposable pleasures to these guys since they could roll into any town in the U.S. and find at least one woman to satisfy their carnal lust for the night. Remember that he does "sell" her to Humble Pie for $50 and a case of Heineken. This of course is to get her away from them because they will be in NYC where Russell's wife is.
I can see your opinion about her being annoying, but her naivity in believing Russell is her character flaw that adds to the overall storyline and the interpersonal relationship between William, Penny, and Russell.

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I'm no expert but Penny seems to be inspired by several well known "groupies" of the era. I don't think Cynthia Plaster Caster is one of them tho, as the making of plaster molds of musicians genitals is never implied. Pamela Des Barres and the GTO's inspired both Penny's and the other girls characters.





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Nope, she's a terrific character and gives the movie a lot of its emotion and grounding. She's based on three characters, one of whom is the actual Pennie Lane (spelling correct). She has a site. Check it out.

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sorry but you missed the point

the WEAK one was Russell as he did not have the guts to tell his money grubbing ex wife to F off when he HAD Penny.

by the time he HAD done so [he says he is ALONE when he calls Penny] she has "done the Lolita" and it is Russell who is left the sadder but wiser person, because Penny lost TRUST in him.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but I was referring to Penny's character flaw, not Russell's. Did you miss the part where I stated Russell really is the one to blame as he continuously takes advantage of Penny affections, despite the fact that he is married (albiet unhappily and constantly promises her that he will leave his wife for her), and is able to take the young girl and turn her into his own personal play toy.?? We know what his character flaw was as it was so obvious during the film. The OP was referring to his issue with Penny being annoying, which a lot of is because of her naivity towards Russell. I think you missed the point of what I was stating.




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It's been a while since I saw it but when does it ever say Penny Lane is only 16?




What came first, the music or the misery?

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She tells William right before the first StillWater concert. The one he is supposed to write the story about.
William gets flack outside the door from security and finally gets in the door and she sees him and comes over.
It is actually quite a funny scene because she reveals her age over the course of slowly decreasing it by 1 year and William does the same.

Penny Lane: How old are you?
William Miller: Eighteen.
Penny Lane: Me too! How old are you really?
William Miller: Seventeen.
Penny Lane: Me too!
William Miller: Actually, I'm sixteen.
Penny Lane: Me too. Isn't it funny? The truth just sounds different.
William Miller: I'm fifteen.

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That doesn't sound like her revealing her age at all. That sounds like her telling him that nothing he is saying sounds like the truth.

That is a hell of a lot of reading into one line when nothing else in the movie gives even the barest indication that she is that young.




What came first, the music or the misery?

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I watched this again last night, and I don't think she was 16 - probably more like 21 or 22. I think she lied about her age just like she lied about her name, to stay "mysterious". I took that exchange of dialogue to be that she knew he was lying and was lying right back to him....she probably wants people to think she's younger than she is.

To the poster several posts above....her name wasn't actually Lady Goodman. The scene in which Williams yells goodbye to her at the airport, and she doesn't respond to "Lady" seems to prove that.

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I personally don't think she was lying about her age, I don't think she ever revealed it.

I think the 'me too!' conversation was just inherently sarcastic and never meant to imply she was 16.




What came first, the music or the misery?

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The real person on whom Pennie Lane is based on Pennie Trumbull and the Flying Garter Girls. Crowe got her permission to tell the story before releasing Almost Famous. She would have been about 16-17 at the time but no older than 19, because Stillwater is based on Crowe's breakthrough pieces for Rolling Stone on Allman Brothers and Led Zeppelin. Crowe at the time was 16.

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Also, she drives.

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She’s 16. NOBODY is “truly in love” at 16, no matter how much s/he thinks s/he is. You have no idea of what true love is at 16.

A lot of people NEVER have any idea what true love is, at any age.

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Cynthia Plaster Caster.

How the hell do you forget a name like that?

The answer probably involves drugs.

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Penny could have been an obnoxious character, cloaked in denial about her relationship with Russell. But at the end of the day she was just a dumb young girl in love...

And Kate Hudson gave such a pitch perfect performance that I was never annoyed by her. She has an inherent, infectious likability. And a vulnerability that made me sympathise with her.

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I'm totally with you, crimewavebetty. Look up "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" and you'll see how she epitomizes the trope. Her only purpose seems to serve the man she's goo-goo eyed over and has no inner life, except in that service.

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Manic Pixie Dream Girl Trope was exactly what I was thinking when she turned up. She's so boring as a character because she just seems like a vacant 'dream girl' of a teenager's mind rather than a real person.

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I thought she was annoying at first. The scene that made me like her, was where she is sitting in the bus and flips the bird at a group of female high school girls. This made me realize that unlike William, she is a dropout and probably a runaway.

The point is Penny's entire top-of-the-world attitude is an act. She is vulnerable and living in a fantasy world.

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She most definatly represented not only a real person but many (relatively speaking) girls. This was a life of a few of the young of the really more 70's and 80's especially, which was far more decadent and supportive of this. Arena rock was huge and music was bigger and in it's prime. A far more "live for the day" time and lifestyle. I think Penny's character was more entrenched with one person and one band than most but I saw it behind all of the forums where the autograph seekers and girls trying to get attention always were. I liked her character, it gave a clear attractive personality to the "more than a one nighter" groupies (a minority) that religiously lived their lives as close as they could to the bands and their music. Even in my small bands we had girls that followed us in the 80's. It was a certain personality and an attractive personality. We liked having them around. You have to keep in mind who wrote this movie. Crow lived this, he was there and stay's true to himself and the time and people. He's had an amazing life and wrote what he knows and lived. In the end Penny was a dreamer like lots of kids were then. She just had the balls to live the life.

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It sounds like you're kinda intimidated by Penny Lane. Here is the thing... all the things you see in her... she tries to act like she's too cool... she tries to act like she is in control and nothing bugs her. You saw all of that correctly. She tries very hard to put up a front of being Ms. Cool. THAT is what makes her so interesting. It is interesting when she fails sometimes and doesn't get her way. It is interesting when she gets in over her head in a situation. SHE WAS NEVER AS COOL AS SHE PRETENDED TO BE. You say she seems delusional? She is delusional, but aren't we all somewhat delusional? Don't we all lie to ourselves about things in our lives? She has weaknesses just like everyone else. Her weaknesses catch up to her by the end of the movie and she crashes pretty hard. Keep in mind that you are seeing only a 2 month glimpse into the life of a young, fanciful, impetuous, somewhat shallow person who learns some tough life lessons in the movie, and will learn many more throughout her life.
Also, she sees the tour for what it is... sort of a a fake reality. A sort of a game, a big vacation, a trip to Disneyland. While on the tour, no one has to worry about the usual responsibilities of life... paying bills, working, being on time, etc... She even mentions "the real world" to William a couple times, meaning the tour was not the real world. And he doesn't understand because he is so young and honest and sincere. He doesn't know that to pretty much everyone on the tour, this is all a big game, and everyone is just having fun, playing parts, many people aren't even using their real names, like Penny. There are no consequences. So remember that the Penny you are seeing is the Tour Penny, not the Real Life Penny. It seems that at the end of the movie, she decides to take that trip to get away from Penny Lane and that fake world for a bit and get back in touch with Lady Goodman.

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Can't agree with you even 1%. Penny Lane is an integral character and a catalyst for a lot of what goes on in the film. Perhaps Kate Hudson plays her as annoying and trivial, but the movie wouldn't be the same without her character, as it stands.

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Nope. Only you. Damn, you have to stand alone in your opinion! How does that feel?
Seriously though, she's not perfect and that's what makes her a great character. She comes off like a force of nature at first, totally cool, steady, and then they peel off the layers one by one and she's... human! She's in love with the wrong guy and she's not delusional, he's in love with her too but he's too in love with the idea that his life "on the road" is a different thing from his "real" life that he can't reconcile his feelings for her with who he is when he's not on the road.

Anyway, not trying to convince you, it's ok if you don't like her. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. As long as it doesn't ruin the movie for you.

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I loved the character of Penny Lane and Kate Hudson's portrayal of her. Groupies/"band-aids" were an integral part of the music scene in the late 60's, early 70's.

I think Penny was just a vulnerable young girl. She tried to portray that Russell was her "project" and she was his ethereal muse, but she made the mistake of falling in love with him. It gave made her human...

And groupies, by the way, aren't a thing of the past. Everytime my husband and I go to see our fave bands, there they are. And, if you give them a chance, they're usually very nice girls. I actually work my day job with one of them, and she's totally cool. She's also extremely smart, dedicated to her job and her son, and a total rock-chick!

Groupies got a bad "stigma", but I'm sure many of them- Pamela Des Barres, Cynthia Plaster Caster, Catherine James, et al- were probably some cool chicks to hang with.


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I think Penny was just a vulnerable young girl. She tried to portray that Russell was her "project" and she was his ethereal muse, but she made the mistake of falling in love with him. It gave made her human...

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agreed but her really human aspect was the way she was never snobbish especially to William.

she took him under her wing as if her son and shared the love of the music with him at the same time she tried to "protect" him from his "youngness"

see the scene where she is shacked up with Russel and he knocks on the door and Russel is saying piss off but she asks is he OK

also the scene on backstage where she discards his notebook so he can simply take in the whole atmosphere.

but poor William IS the lawyer his mother says he MUST be so he only ever HALF fits in with the "real world" as Penny calls it.

and MOTHER learns her own lesson at the end

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Damn, you have to stand alone in your opinion! How does that feel?


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