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They WAYYY overdid the Ziggy character. I've never met anyone like that.


...AS AN ADULT.

Of course I have met people like that who were 12-15 years old.

I just didn't find his character believable as an adult.

I know there is a whole world full of dumb ass people, but really? Someone this dumb and foolish to such a dangerous level (to himself and others)? I just think they WAY overdid this character. I mean, he was always acting like the biggest possible fool at all times.

As an adult, I have personally never come across anyone who acted this way on a consistent basis. We have all acted a fool at times and we all know people who are dumbasses but this guy takes it to a new level. Again I am speaking about grown adults. I just think they overbaked this character to a point of not being at all believable.

The best example of this? When he burned the $100 bill. Not even the biggest dumbass in the world would do that unless he had billions in the bank maybe.

One or two of his antics, maybe, but it was like constant with his dumbass antics. It was like Saturday morning cartoon level/frequency with the antics.

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No, there are people in the world who are like Ziggy.

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The law of averages dictates that there has to be someone in the world like Ziggy, but I think they are few and far between. The character was way over the top and not realistic at all. There are bearded ladies in the world, too. That doesn't mean it would be realistic to have one as a character on The Wire.

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Patrick, you are clearly missing the culture of the docks. Remember that Zig is the only son of Frank, who is a big deal when it comes to what is left of the dockworkers. Zig knows that he can't live up to his father's expectations of him, his entire life he's been asked why he can't be more like his cousin Nick, and Zig has decided to just go for it, to embrace his Black Sheep status. We are shown this almost immediately, when Frank "fires" Zig, and we're immediately told that Zig isn't really fired, that's his old man, who is in charge of this place.

I agree with you that Zig would never, for instance, walk into just any old bar with a duck whom he's put an actual diamond choker on. But THAT bar? Where those specific people who he's known most of his life gather to relax? That's Ziggy's stage, that's where he feels like he's fulfilling his purpose and contributing something to the culture that he is a part of, the larger family, the community of the dock workers.

Frank is slightly annoyed by the duck, but he is as upset as you about the burning of the $100 bill, but for different reasons. Frank knows that Zig must have gotten that money illegally, he suspects by boosting goods from the docks, and that is a step too far, going from class clown to class idiot who might get them all in trouble.

You have to look at the bigger picture of what's going on, though. Ziggy feels like he's being marginalized. Nick has now taken over the drug dealing, and damned if he isn't better than Zig at that, too. Nick is basically saying to Zig, I'm gonna take care of you, 'cause you're way too much of a *beep* up to take care of yourself, and we all know it.

The thing is, ZIGGY didn't know it. Not until that moment, when he winds up throwing hundreds of dollars out of Nick's truck window to blow away on the street.

And in real life, the true idiots almost never realize just how idiotic they actually are. If they did ever figure it out, as Zig eventually does, they might do something like pull off grand theft auto in order to earn their own money and get their own thing going, to be a success at something.

And when they then still get ripped off, still get insulted, still get laughed at? They might snap and start shooting people.

Is Ziggy a rare breed in the real world? Yes. He is a combination of a person who can't stop screwing themselves up and a privileged scion in a dying industry. The circumstances are unique, the character is unique, but his behavior, his arc through the course of the season, is completely believable and realistic to me.

But you have to understand the whole story of who he is, where he's from, and what motivates him both positively and negatively. Then you begin to see the human inside, however annoying and ridiculous he might at times be.

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Now that was well stated, evets_lives

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Brilliant analysis.

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I know people older and dumber than Ziggy. So yeah I disagree.

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y'all be hangin' around some dumbasses. just sayin'

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did not say I hung around them. Just that I know them, Like people I used to go to school with, family members, co-workers, ect.

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Well obviously if YOU have never met someone like that, they clearly don't exist.




Or my isn't name...

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Nah it made sense.

Though interesting enough, James Ransone, AKA Ziggy, born and raised Baltimore, did become a heroin addict and was in debt in his late 20's.

((Damn the remakes, Save the originals.))

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What got me was when he took that duck to the bar and gave him alcohol but when the duck drank himself to death, he started crying and jumping on his cousin, like that wasn't his own fault.








I woke up this way...

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Ziggy is based off of a real life guy who worked on the docks named Pinkie Bannion. Look it up. He really did the stuff with the duck. He was a bit of a hell raiser down the point. He was older than the actor, and looked a little like Horseface.

If I should fall asleep and death takes me away dont be surprised son, I wasn't put here to stay.

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I’ve met loads of people like Ziggy throughout life, they always end up fuckin up too.

Never understood the hate for both the character and the actor, the character was brilliantly written and the actor did a perfect job.

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He’s based on a real person who actually did those things so you’re wrong loser

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