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Am I one of the few that think this was Better than Tangled?


Hi All,

I find it perplexing how many people go on about Tangled being a near perfect film whilst hitting out at how much of a 'flop' the stunning The Princess and the Frog was...

Now - I cannot fathom why that is.

TPATF is such a beautiful film - well directed, great songs, fantastic plot and it was essentially a film that mirrored the 90s Disney feel. Whereas I found Tangled to be juvenile and not half as engaging - whilst feeling not at all like Disney. The animation fell short in my opinion also.

Overall - I still personally think 2D animation is what Disney should be sticking to in regards to their classic canon films. Whilst their 3D/ Computer generated animation output should be under the Pixar brand. To elaborate - Chicken Little through to Tangled, I feel are more so Pixar in their aesthetics.

Now with films on the horizon such as Frozen - I fear that 2D animation is being disregarded when really the market calls for it - how many other studios are using 2D? Hole in the market anyone!

I am also concerned that these titles are boring. Why not just call them - The Snow Queen or Rapunzel? It feels so stagnant at the moment with these so called genderless titles... A huge WTF is needed there. Genderless? Do not make me laugh.

Does anyone share my thoughts or am I ranting to the wrong crowd?

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What is wrong with being gender neutral? Encouraging people to break down gender stereotypes isn't something to be scoffed at, it should be encouraged and celebrated.

I love me some Disney classics, I was raised on it and would have chosen it over mother's milk. But Disney's rejection of Pixar and Pixar's subsequent success was a huge wake-up call. Audience mindsets and desires do change and I don't think 2D is a hole in the market so much as a BLACK hole in the market. That is not to say it is officially dead or that Disney won't make any more, but there is no point sticking strictly to tradition when that road can easily lead to failure.

TPatF is a fine film, there is nothing wrong with it. I don't think it's not quite ideal box-office was due to any fault in the film in any way. It just shows audience mentality is currently not interested in that particular kind of film. They're not against it, it was not a 'flop', it was a hit, but not a SMASH hit.

I have never really been a 'Pixar' person. Someone gave me Toy Story on VHS when I was younger and I HATED it . . . I loved my beautiful 2D animations, the enchantment, that classic 'forever' appeal they have. So while I did enjoy things occasionally like The Incredibles, Wall-E and Finding Nemo, I was never a HUGE fan.

However I love Tangled. The animation was like a fusion, the bright colours and beauty of Disney with that strange exaggeration of Pixar, Alan's music, Disney's storytelling and Pixar's humour all made for a cocktail that I really enjoyed.

I loved the gender balance. I like that Flynn isn't some guy who's name we don't even know, let alone what he is like. He has personality, he has flare, he has vulnerability, he tells the story but Rapunzel still is the story.

If it had simply been called 'Rapunzel' it would have been a lie, it wasn't JUST her story, it was one they shared and it was something I loved seeing Disney do.

I'm not sure how I feel about Frozen yet, I'm a little guarded as the only trailer I saw looked a little too 'Ice Age-y' but it's only a small offering, so I'll see. But I'm cautiously optimistic.




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What's good about it? Gender is something that should be celebrated and encouraged. Both sexes are beautifully different and equal. Men and women are not the same (note that sameness =/= equality) and I think it's genuinely sad and disturbing both that people are trying to force us to neutral and the same as each other. It would make the sexes pointless.

Traditional gender *roles*, now (I dont really know what you mean by stereotypes. Stereotypes are what people see or choose to see, not what necessarily is Cheerleaders being dumb blondes, for example, is rarely true and people know that but sometimes choose to entertain the notion anyway) can be wonderful and sadly underrated. I know this is politically incorrect to say and someone might tear my head off, but it's true. I'm sick of society (mostly other women) demanding men reject masculinity and women adopt it because femininity is icky. It's femme-shaming and so (ironically) sexist it makes me sick.

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They have been 'celebrated and encouraged' for a long time and done no good for anybody. Because celebrated and encouraged is code for forced. I have never heard anyone say that men should reject masculinity and women should embrace it or that feminism is icky. A niche branch of feminism are these people who believe there should be no difference between gender at all, and they spend their time attacking trans-gender people on tumblr, but that is all have heard of that.

A lot of our gender differences are valid, physical things, and other things are societal pressures and expectations that we internalise.

This celebration creates more division than is necessary. There are a lot of good messages and things to love about Disney movies, yet boys rarely see them or know them at all.

Girls can be taught the values of friendship, love, caring, sharing and the joys of emotional freedom, but often only it is wrapped up in a pretty pink and purple package with a glitter bow. Both boys and girls have an expectation that they will fall into certain categories that create a hard line between the sexes.

Marketing follows that trend, aiming at creating and reinforcing those stereotypes. By stereotypes I mean expected typical behaviours; boys should be strong, capable, emotionally controlled, chivalrous and not engaged in things that are seen as traditionally feminine.

Girls should be soft, delicate, emotionally available and invested heavily into everything that is part of a feminine culture.

Some people naturally do find themselves fitting here, a girl who grows up playing with Barbies and as an adult finds herself awash in a love of shoes, fashion and makeup isn't inherently wrong in any way.

Nor is a boy who grows up and plays football as an adult.

But not everybody finds a place in one of these factions, many people find themselves somewhere in the middle which leads to somewhere on the outside.

Society as a whole has a strong distaste for men who don't act like men in the traditional sense, a man who is emotional and who cries is seen as weak and called a 'pussy' because crying is seen as feminine and femininity is seen as a weakness. If a man has an interest in fashion, his looks, he wants to get a manicure and have his hair expertly cut, he might be called 'gay', because being gay means not being a man, being gay means not being tough. I hardly need to explain how men can feel about another guy if that guy actually IS gay.

These are stereotypes, they are widely held views and they are overly simplistic. They are relics of our evolution, biologically and sociologically. The 'Disney is for girls, action heroes are for boys' era is coming to an end anyway, Disney is quite slow off the mark in many respects.

The notion isn't to tell girls they can't be 'girly' or to tell boys they should be . . . gender neutrality doesn't aim at taking that possible identity away from you, it aims at giving you a choice from a very early age on how you will become, letting you have a hand in choosing for yourself and hopefully creating a society that is more understanding about you doing that.

Disney purposely targeting boys in this fashion is a wonderful idea, for girls and boys. Disney becoming invested in not just the story, but the characters is something I encourage. The classics will always have a place in my heart, but the flaws within them are very evident, these more modern tales are trying to slowly close the gap that exists.

It's not about making people reject things, it's about making them STOP rejecting things.








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Girl, I think deep down we all know the genders ARE different, in a BEAUTIFUL way.

I think it's just the most PC people, who are the most VOCAL, lol.. hence, all this p.c. BS we have to deal with.

Let's celebrate differences, not hide it.... if that makes sense.

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I prefer this movie over Tangled too. It goes to my roots (my grandparents are from Louisiana but moved to Texas before my mom was born) and my culture. 'Take You There' was my favorite song because it was in the form of my favorite genre of music: zydeco. Don't get me wrong, I actually like Tangled. But TPATP was superior in my opinion.

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That totally makes sense and I agree. Differences should be celebrated not hidden. Pretending they don't exist doesn't make them go away. Personally, I adore being a girl! jname96, you said it best the most PC people are the most vocal. As a result if you don't back up whatever made them jump up on their soap box (they seem to complain a lot imho) then you are viewed as racist, sexist, elitist etc etc

Cinderella (who gets the most flack) is Walt Disney's personal favourite. HE related to her because he felt he was constantly working himself to the bone and not really getting where he wanted to be. Cinderella worked from sun up to sun down and how she did not poison her step mother and sisters is beyond me! She worked hard, was sweet, maintained hope and a positive attitude. Walt's message was not she is weak and only good for cooking and cleaning. His message was work hard, keep faith and good things happen. Male or female, people can find themselves in situations were there is very little they are in control of and that is just a harsh reality. The message that hard work, your goodness and a positive attitude is a wonderful message for girls and boys.


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I agree with you, op. Although none of those movies are great, I consdier "The Princess and the Frog" to be the superior movie. I've said this before, but I'll say it again; I'm not a Newman fan at all, but his music for "TPATF" was more catchy than the music in "Tangled". Perhaps because Menken has already set the bar so high. The only great song from "Tangled" was "I See The Lights", but rest of the music was forgettable.

While "Tangled" had a better (and simpler story), I do think "TPATF" was overall more fun and more enjoyable. "Tangled" had some decent characters, but a villain that wasn't that complex nor interesting. Facilier was way more likeable. "Tangled" also had more tone problems, more darker sequences that really didn't flowed well with the lighter ones.

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You are just plain stupid. Sorry. No opinion here, just facts.

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And you're just plain obnoxious. No opinion here, just facts.


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I feel that Tangled was 'Good,' but to someone like me who grew up with the story structure of the second Golden Age of Disney, it wasn't quite up to par in places.

I felt animation-wise, they hit a wonderful place that was well-beyond the 'entry-level' work done on 'Chicken Little,' but they really truncated the musical numbers. Some of them just felt like they hacked the original songs to ribbons in some places.


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Nope, Ruben is right.

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Friends On The Other Side does not make up for the overall poor effort put forth by disney.

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This movie whoops "Tangled"'s a$$. So, no, you're not the only film, OP.

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Except that it didn't. Tangled was way, way more succesful.

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"Tangled" was very boring. I couldn't even finish watching it.

This movie, even though the main characters spend the majority of the movie as amphibians, was so much more engaging (to borrow a previous poster's term) and funny - and this is coming from someone who HATES movies where the main characters are ANIMALS!

The songs are very catchy, too. I liked "When We're Human" so much that I had to add it to my MP3 playlist! And we bought the movie for our then 4-yr-old son who kept asking us to rent it for him.

Overall, TPATF surpasses "Tangled" in all ways.

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I've only seen this movie once and it's been a while, but I do remember I really enjoyed it and was impressed by its message about working hard to achieve your dreams. I definitely think Tangled, while entertaining, was more shallow and childish. I enjoy both movies, but from what I remember of Princess and the Frog, it had a much better story.

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Yea, I agree.

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The Princess and the Frog > Tangled

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Both of them have an inorganic feel to them because that's when Disney started caring about political correctness and pleasing people over artistic integrity, but for the most part PATF feels much more Disney-esque, whereas Tangled is... a marketing strategy. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE both, but Tangled lacks quality (except in animation, but not the style, which is nothing new) and originality.

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