So what happened to all the print and recorded media that showed Peter Parker as Spider-man ? Even if everyone forgot Spider-man's identity and even forgot that a Peter Parker ever existed, there were newspapers that showed who spider man is. That guy from Peter's school wrote a book about being Peter's (Spider-man's) friend.....did all of it just disappear too ? No one mentioned that the spell would alter any physical items, just the memories
shareNot mentioned in the film, but when a similar spell was cast in the comic book (by Mephisto rather than Doctor Strange), it was a reality-altering spell that affected physical items as well as memories. Although, in the case of that Mephisto spell, the memories were changed because the actual historical events were also changed, unlike the spell in the film.
shareSince the spell included crossing multiple universes, I assume some reality warping was involved. Physical evidence of Peter being Spidey was likely removed from that reality or something. I hope the next movie addresses it more.
shareI think the spell altered reality to remove all references to Peter Parker, ergo the physical evidence probably went into the ether.
shareI guess you can count it as a plot hole and bad writing ...
shareNot plot hole and bad writing, it's will explain in sequel.
shareIf it needs to be explained in the sequel then it's a plot hole and bad writing ... period
shareIt's not, because Marvel aren't movies, it's TV series, just like you need to watch Doctor Strange to understand No Way Home.
shareDo i need to explain more??
Doctor Strange is NOT a sequel. It has been released a long time before NWH. And you don't really need to watch Doctor Strange either.
And they are not TV series, they are still movies.
They said loki escaping in avengers endgame was a plot hole as well until the loki series which btw is the main focus of the next phase of marvel. The forgetting of spiderman was literally the last major act in the movie. Did you want them to spend another 30min explaining? Its obvious in their next movie they will dive more into how the memory wiping thing actually worked.
sharesequel? please no, we dont need a 9th Spidy movie.
shareIt's not a plot hole just because it wasn't spelled out in dialogue. Jameson didn't know who he was and he had countless videos. Happy and Ned and MJ also did, and didn't. It's quite obvious that it means that any evidence of Spiderman being Peter was changed as well due to the spell, otherwise, everyone would know in like 5 seconds who he was.
The filmmakers assumed the audience was smart enough to figure this out without using dialogue, which most people did. Basically anyone I know who watched the movie figured this out upon first watch lol.
Yup, that’s only your willingness the overlook bad writing. I can understand that, I do it sometimes as well ..
shareNo it's a BIG plot hole. Really, really big.
For example, during the final scene where Peter and Happy encounter each other over May's grave. Hogan doesn't recognize Peter... BUT HE MET her via Peter. So he shouldn't know May either. Or, is Happy standing there somehow thinking: "I wonder why May was even at that battle at the Statue of Liberty?"
MJ is sporting a bandaid from the battle. Is she wondering: "Hey, WHY WAS I even out there beside May fighting alongside three Spider-men? Weird..."
Many superheroes in the MCU knew Peter Parker. He interacted with them as Peter Parker. If those memories are scrubbed -- or reality has been overwritten somehow -- then Stark never met Peter, never invited him to help out with the Civil War, etc. It would literally change the history of about five or six years worth of MCU movies.
All physical records of Peter would have to disappear as well, because indirectly they would connect him with people who knew he was Spider-man. Adoption records, driver's licenses, credit cards, etc would connect him to May or May's address, for example... which would contradict Happy not knowing who Peter was as I mentioned above. And, if all records of him disappear, how does he finance anything without a credit history? How does he open bank accounts? Etc, etc...
On and on it goes. The more you go down this rabbit hole you quickly start to realize how impossible this scenario is.
I liked the middle of the movie, but the 'spells' that bookend the movie render the entire movie meaningless as an MCU entry.
It highlights the cracks that are starting to open up in the MCU concept... trying to reconcile the events in all these stories in a cohesive way is just going to get harder and harder.
I agree AND they remember Spiderman...sooo when Spiderman shows up to the other superheroes and takes off his mask, what will happen?
shareGone… Reduced to atoms.
Well, not quite. Next film should cover it.
A simple Google search "who is Spiderman" would bring thousands of news articles and pictures of Peter Parker AND even MJ as his girlfriend. Within hours, people around the world would know their identities and asking themselves, why I don't remember this guy Peter Parker is Spiderman? And if people can remember Spiderman (as shown in the end), why they can't remember MJ as his girlfriend? MJ herself would remember she was Spidey's gf. The spell supposedly only covered Peter.
It's not a plothole, because while the entire premise of the movie is indeed flawed, you could argue Strange was an imbecile for ignoring this. And Marvel might simply acknowledge this in a fourth movie. Still utterly dumb writing though.