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Joel Wachs Vignette Was Weak


Many may feel otherwise, but I have consistently found the whole Joel Wachs vignette to be the weakest part of Licorice Pizza and I often speed through it to the end. Having Alana sit in the restaurant passively while two peripheral characters complain on and on is not a good use of her screen time.

I would much rather have seen Alana interacting with Gary or her family. And I don’t get how seeing Joel and his boyfriend’s quarreling pushed Alana into Gary’s arms. Having Brian somehow disappoint her would have made more sense.

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I like Licorice Pizza very, very much -- its "vibe and feeling" in some ways matters more than ALL the vignettes to me. (And evidently each of them is based on a true story then modified into the storyline by PTA.)

I, too, felt that the veer off to the Wachs story was somewhat irrelevant (and predictable -- his protestations about his single life to interviewers, etc.)

There is this: the real Joel Wachs was REALLY the local politician representing the Valley when PTA was growing up there, or his parents, so he wasn't just plucked out of nowhere to be in the story. Wachs was evidently one of those well liked "good" politicians to his constituency, even if he didn't win that Mayor's race.

And some years later...he came out.

So PTA uses the Wachs vignette for two purposes:

A reminder that a mere 49 years or so ago, most politicians and public business figures absolutely could NOT come out as gay. In some states, gay behavior was still subject to criminal punishment. And the core of the argument -- witnessed by the still "stunted and unformed" Alana...is that Wachs cannot and will not sacrifice his public career to his private relationship.

In the frame of the story, Wachs is sort of "the last straw" in a series of men (young and older) who are more appropriate(says society) for Alana, than Gary. That includes Lance the actor(the most age appropriate, but his atheism is a "no go" to Alana and her deeply religious family, rebellious though she may be); Jack Holden (who is actually way too old for Alana -- MORE inappropriate than Gary) and who doesn't care about her anyway. Jon Peters is younger than Holden but his only role is to simply hit on Alana. Which leaves Brian -- known to her, age appropriate, "kissable" -- Gary's only real competition in the story.

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It is left unsaid as to why Brian doesn't "make the cut." Perhaps because he is TOO tied to the falsity of Joel Wachs -- if Alana goes with Brian she will be forced to stay in the false world of Wachs. Also, Brian and Alana have known each other in the past (he says "I remember how you did your homework," which suggests a bedroom study tryst to me), and it didn't take.

People criticize LP for the age difference of the leads, but without the age difference, there is no movie. Gary and Alana spend the whole movie TRYING to honor their problem by not connecting romantically, but by film's end, Alana for one sees it as not much of a problem at all. It took Lance, Jack, Jon, Brian and Joel to get her there. (Notice as well that Gary does quite well with other girls all through the movie -- picking them up even -- and gets the flirtatious eye of a female flight attendant when she finds out he is an actor.)

So the Wachs vignette makes more sense not on its own, but as part of the larger plan: the last straw.

I don't much love the Wachs sequence, though. The return of the quiet and sad main theme for Alana's run after it gives us a great final sequence.

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I feel like Lance gets unfairly lumped with those other guys who are portrayed as negative examples of men for Alana. All he did is express his religious philosophy in a very polite and respectful manner. He obviously maintains his Jewish cultural identity if he is attending a Shabbat dinner. And there is nothing to suggest Gary is Jewish or religious at all.

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I feel like Lance gets unfairly lumped with those other guys who are portrayed as negative examples of men for Alana.

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That's a good point.

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All he did is express his religious philosophy in a very polite and respectful manner.

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Indeed he did. And the way the scene is staged, its not like the father immediately throws him out. There is a cut to Alana and Lance going out the front door to his car, where Lance is STILL polite when Alana asks him what his penis looks like (before going off in one of her patented rages on him.)

So Lance seems like a nice enough fellow and probably shouldn't be lumped in with all those other guys....

....except -- to my eyes at least -- there is just something too smarmy about Lance from the "get go" for me to get behind him.

Lance was carefully cast with a young guy who has a pretty off-putting FACE (sad, but true.) I guess its a "punchable face." When he first appears in the film, he is clearly out to "steal Gary's girl"(on the plane) and puts down both Gary and Alana for being in the back of the plane ("I didn't know they served steak back here.") Poor Gary -- HE brought Alana along on this trip to NYC and HE has served her up to the older, age-appropriate Lance as "proper boy friend material."

I think its just a matter of good casting and good writing that we simply don't accept Lance as any better for Alana than the other guys -- GARY is "the one." And the Shabbat dinner allows the movie to dump Lance out of it.

BTW, that dinner REALLY happened at the Haim household and PTA put it in the movie under a different pretext. Alana Haim said that in real life..."there was silence for 16 minutes" after the boy professed his atheism.

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Poor Gary

He got arrested for feeling some chick up at a horror convention in Cherry Hill a few days back

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Oh...THAT Gary....

Hard to picture him in Licorice Pizza.

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