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Reviewers Try To Rewrite Ending


I have read a lot of reviews of LP as well as listened to cinema podcasts about it. I have noticed that several have tried to explain the meaning of Alana’s “I love you Gary” and their running off into the night as something other than what was clearly shown on screen. I have read everything from they are just good friends to it was all a fantasy of Gary’s and did not really occur. I find this insulting to the movie, which is quite explicit about their feelings for one another, and where they plan to go with it. But I have a couple of thoughts about those revisionist reviews.

One is that the reviews in question want to avoid the pretty reasonable assumption that Gary and Alana are off to express their affection physically to some level, so they are trying to avoid “going there” given the awkward age gap.

Another is that some female reviewers LOVE Alana and identify with her, but find Gary and her attraction to him icky. So they make excuses for her “I love you Gary” so they don’t have to have their heroine besmirched.

It’s ok to not like the movie or find the age gap problematic, but there is no real room for interpretation of the ending. You have to accept what is presented to you, not what you wish it would be.

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I suppose most movies are open for interpretation but let's not fool ourselves, they definitely have sex. lol...

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They’ll be doing something for sure. Both boobs and handjobs were prominent in the movie, so maybe there was some foreshadowing going on.

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I have read a lot of reviews of LP as well as listened to cinema podcasts about it. I have noticed that several have tried to explain the meaning of Alana’s “I love you Gary” and their running off into the night as something other than what was clearly shown on screen.

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Interesting point. While on the one hand, we can NEVER really know what happens after "The End" -- particuarly with a "and they lived happily ever after" ending like LP has...we can certainly put certain things together on the basis of what we have seen.

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I have read everything from they are just good friends

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Oh, its gonna be more than that. It WAS more than that even when they swore to be only good friends for the earlier part of the story.

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to it was all a fantasy of Gary’s and did not really occur.


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This "it was all a fantasy and really didn't occur" line has forever bothered me. Some movies DO make that pretty clear.("it was all a dream') But most movies DON"T and to assume so if to reject the story and characters so painstakingly created for us by the writer, director, and actors. So no -- this is NOT Gary's fantasy -- though in some ways it IS a salute to the "moviegoer's fantasy" of GETTING a happy ending. It "all comes together here" as Alana's sisters(Danielle mainly, with Este quietly watching) push for this union to succeed and both Gary and Alana make feverish journeys to find the other(I found it particularly poignant when Alana returned to the Tail of the Cock -- where their first date took place -- to ask the kindly manager if Gary has been in.)


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I find this insulting to the movie, which is quite explicit about their feelings for one another, and where they plan to go with it.

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Point taken, but I find the "I love you, Gary" ending interesting in one particular way: it reminded me of the endindg of HUNDREDS of American movies in the 30's and 40s(mainly) that simply ended with the couple saying "I love you," and clinching for a kiss on the fade out to The End.

It is my theory that these movies did not put their audiences in the view of: "Oh, they're going to have sex." In the movies of those days(very much overseen by the Church), the goal was "love and happiness," and sex was kept rather off the table. Came the 50's and early 60's, sex was usually shown this way: the couple says "I love you," and -- cut to wedding rings on their fingers and babies in the nursery or baby carriage. In other words : sex for marrage and making babies only.

"Licorice Pizza" skips the wedding rings and babies gambit, but its "I love you ending, plus Gary announcing Alana as "Mrs. Alana Valentine" in accord with his earliest plans...seems very sweet and old fashioned to me. Honestly, I didn't find myself thinking about them having sex at the fade.

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But I have a couple of thoughts about those revisionist reviews.

One is that the reviews in question want to avoid the pretty reasonable assumption that Gary and Alana are off to express their affection physically to some level, so they are trying to avoid “going there” given the awkward age gap.

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There is one moment mid-way through the film where it looks like Alana might be up for sex with Gary. I've referenced it elsewhere here.

It is right after Alana falls off Jack Holden's motorcycle(Holden doesn't even notice) and Gary "runs to her rescue." HIS face is handsome; HER face says "I want you right now."

They walk off as if to consumnate, but Alana falls asleep and Gary restrains himself from even touching an unconscious woman. They're good kids.

So sex is possible. The two actors look rather close to the same age in most shots(as compared to say, the male lead of Rushmore and his widowed teacher -- THAT won't work) and their sophistication level is about "equal in age." So its not an issue.

It has been noted here that if the characters move to Vegas (where Gary's mother has some work), 16 is the age of consent.


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But here is something to confront. All over America RIGHT NOW, and yes, in 1973, any number of teenage "boys and girls" were having sex before 18. Cary Grant(of all people) said that nature has you ready at about 13, so why "extend childhood?"(Well because the brain isn't fully developed.)

Anyway, 15 year olds and 16 year olds have sex, so the issue is really "age of the partner" and consent and power and gender and all that stuff.

Side bar: Alan Arkin's Oscar-winning "horny grandpa" in "Little Miss Sunshine" encourages his teenage grandson to "have a lot of sex" as young as possible, but warns: "but make sure you are BOTH under 18." So there's that.

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Another is that some female reviewers LOVE Alana and identify with her, but find Gary and her attraction to him icky. So they make excuses for her “I love you Gary” so they don’t have to have their heroine besmirched.

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That's interesting. Yes, I've read quite a few reviews of LP, and it was one or two female reviewers, I think, who found Alana to be "wasting her time with that boy" and were disappointed to see her "give in" at the end.

At the same time, the movie presents ALANA -- not Gary -- as both the less attractive of the two and the much more RAGING...she doesn't always seem like that much of a catch.

But in the end...she is. And so is he. Because of all the ways they DO connect.

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It’s ok to not like the movie or find the age gap problematic, but there is no real room for interpretation of the ending. You have to accept what is presented to you, not what you wish it would be.

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Agreed. Trying to create a "new ending after the ending" to fit one's interpretation rather rejects a well told story.

That said, I must admit that I struggle with the ending of Licorice Pizza in certain ways. The age gap doesn't bother me all that much. Move everything ten years and there's no problem at all -- in real life, actor Nick Offerman is about 11 years younger than actress wife Megan Mullaly, and we know that MEN take wives of ten years younger or more all the time.)

So I tend to think more of their happiness than sex. Who knows, maybe it will "progress slowly" like with all those teenage teachings about necking and heavy petting and second base. Gary is 16 at the end of LP(he can drive). In Vegas he's legal. In California...below the radar.

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I suppose most movies are open for interpretation but let's not fool ourselves, they definitely have sex. lol...
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They’ll be doing something for sure. Both boobs and handjobs were prominent in the movie, so maybe there was some foreshadowing going on.

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Ha.

To me, the "great unspoken mystery" of Licorice Pizza is whether that waitress at the Japanese restaurant -- "Frisbee Cahill" actually GAVE Gary handjobs. She said to Alana, "he's always bothering me for handjobs, now I pass the baton to you."

Later in a great DELETED scene(on the DVD should have been in the movie), Alana tells Gary, (Frisbee) gave me a baton...you know what I'm going to DO with that baton? I'm going to shove it up your asshole!" So I think Alana thinks that Frisbee DID comply. (And: more evidence of Alana's raging personality.)

This is all important because it would suggest that Gary has some sexual experience. Hand jobs means not all the way, but still...

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It is right after Alana falls off Jack Holden's motorcycle(Holden doesn't even notice) and Gary "runs to her rescue." HIS face is handsome; HER face says "I want you right now."

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I would add that the look on Alana’s face and the way she responds with “Hi” to Gary after their kiss at the end, more than indicates she is all in with Gary and will literally go wherever he takes her.

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I would add that the look on Alana’s face and the way she responds with “Hi” to Gary after their kiss at the end, more than indicates she is all in with Gary and will literally go wherever he takes her.

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And she shifts to accepting that kiss and that lovely, loving "Hi" right after first snapping "idiot!" when Gary announces her as "Mrs. Alana Valentine." Which is kind of a clue, to me, that Alana's raging somewhat bi-polar anger CAN be defused pretty quickly. Gary just has to learn how.

Which reminds me: during that late-breaking argument in Gary's kitchen about "politics versus pinball machines," Alana isn't so much raging as seething , and she keeps insulting Gary but when he basically announces he's breaking up with her...she changes in a heartbeat (in a beautifully breaking voice, that Haim chick CAN act)..."OK...I'll drive you to see the stupid pinball machines." The anger covers up a lot of insecurity.

The reconciliation, the kiss, the "Hi," the run, the "I love you, Gary" -- romances don't come with happier endings than that , and in these tough times we get so FEW of them -- certainly not with someone as respected as PTA on the writing and direction.

The movie ends on a GREAT (unknown to me) Taj Mahal song called "Tomorrow May Not Be Your Day" which is another way of saying "carpe diem," which is another way of saying: Gary and Alana should GO for it. Now. Don't stall any longer. Figure out how to make it work. "

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You know, given the age difference, the "usual" ending to this film would have been a sad one, with dialogue like this:

Alana: You know I think I really do love you, and I think if things were different, we could be a couple....but...you just know that's impossible. So I wish you well, I hope you find the woman who is right for you, and who knows? Maybe we'll see each other years from now and things might be different.
CUT TO: Sad Gary, as Alana walks into the night, never to be seen by him again.

I mean, that's the "expected" ending this star-crossed love story is SUPPOSED to have...and PTA refused to deliver THAT. And for those reasons, he delivered a movie of some controversy on the one hand...but great thoughtfulness and, yes, profundity, on the other.

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One of the frequent criticisms PTA gets about LP is that it is insufficiently condemning of the relationship given the age gap between the characters and how giving them a happy ending is an endorsement of their morally-questionable relationship.

Clearly Gary is not bothered in the least and is indifferent to consent laws. He never addresses the issue. He’s annoyed they are not making out and feels entitled to see her boobs before the rest of the world does.

Alana addresses it a couple of times, at the beginning with her “I can be your friend but not your girlfriend , that’s illegal” as well as encouraging him to look at the boobs of girls his own age. She also references her age as a reason she and Gary are not together to Jon Peters. But overall there is no other characters questioning their being together. Gary’s friends and brother, Alana’s sisters, Jon Peters, all express acceptance and encouragement that they seek each other out romantically.

So those critics are correct in that movie does not condemn their romance. But if no one is expressing disapproval of their relationship in the movie, maybe it is because none is warranted.

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One of the frequent criticisms PTA gets about LP is that it is insufficiently condemning of the relationship given the age gap between the characters and how giving them a happy ending is an endorsement of their morally-questionable relationship.

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Key to the film is that it IS an endorsement of their relationship -- but the relationship is NOT seen as morally questionable by the writer-director.

And it isn't.

Some pretty explosive words have been trotted out to attack LP, and I suppose we are supposed to avoid them to avoid being attacked. One is "pedophilia," but this is not a pedophila situation. Gary's in high school for one thing. Every little year counts. Indeed this exchange is crucial:

Alana: I'm not going to date you. What are you, 12?
Gary: No, I'm 15. You're funny!

So not elementary school. Not middle school. High school. 15. 16 at film's end. An age very close to when the US can send you to war to die young. At age at which some people declare "emancipation from their parents." An age at which some people DO get married, in some states.

The other "deadly" word is: grooming. This word is of new vintage and usually used against Hollywood itself -- with alarming cases of adults manipulating the young kids and teens in their charge on kiddie shows and teen shows -- into sexual playthings. The "grooming" charge is often used against gay adults, too -- "grooming" straight children into gay adulthood(a conservative charge; you've got both sides coming at this story).

None of that is going on here.

Perhaps the CLOSEST it comes to grooming is when Alana makes a rather seductive "come on" walk to Gary at the Teen Fair to come back into his life ("Hello, handsome") but this is presented as LOVE, (or lust) between both parties("Hello, gorgeous.") We respond positively to this. (Note in passing: the weird and exotic music during the entire Teen Fair sequence is, to me, another mark of this film's art.)

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Clearly Gary is not bothered in the least and is indifferent to consent laws. He never addresses the issue. He’s annoyed they are not making out

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"Making out" is kind of 50s, kind of "on the safe side." I suppose Gary hoped to just get what he could get. Lots of kids ONLY make out and mutually wait on sex. Pregnancy worries.

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and feels entitled to see her boobs before the rest of the world does.

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Well he didn't want her to show them at all as an actress ("There's entirely too much nudity in movies today," he says, rather surprisingly.) And her showing them to him is "strictly a business proposition." (When he asks if he can touch them, Alana's "NO" is another great line reading on her part -- her "star is born" possiblity.)

Note in passing: I've found(in real life, too) that "boobs" is how females like to name those things, it desexualizes them and makes them kind of funny. Its that OTHER word for them that is sexually charged.

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Alana addresses it a couple of times, at the beginning with her “I can be your friend but not your girlfriend , that’s illegal”

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PTA puts that on the table right away, acknowledges it. And Gary and Alana spend the whole movie trying to honor it.

But hey, pot is illegal in lots of states still, and teens smoke it. And they drink. And they sometimes have sex.

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I can't recall his reply. Was it "but I want to see YOURS?" That's another aspect of this story. I suspect Gary COULD see age-appropriate boobs. But Alana is a challenge...exotic.

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She also references her age as a reason she and Gary are not together to Jon Peters.

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Which demonstrates that Jon Peters himself didn't notice the age difference, or care about HIS age difference to Alana.

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But overall there is no other characters questioning their being together. Gary’s friends and brother, Alana’s sisters, Jon Peters, all express acceptance and encouragement that they seek each other out romantically.

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That's right, the movie is on their side. The one character who might prove a problem -- Alana's old school Jewish religious tyrant dad -- has already allowed her to go to NYC with Gary and allowed the business relationships so...he'll probably cave.

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So those critics are correct in that movie does not condemn their romance. But if no one is expressing disapproval of their relationship in the movie, maybe it is because none is warranted.
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"maybe it is because none is warranted." BINGO. And a more deserved happy ending is hard to conjure.

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