Ok so this might sound like a stupid question but how the hell did Mel Gibson get sick? Did he drink the milk? Was it from being in close contact with his daughter?
yea.I got confused too
maybe the director edited it wrong
he supposed to know that the milk was toxicated but he was getting sick
maybe there was a scene before that telling you that he might felt sick like his daughter(but the scene was probably never edited in)
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ah ok that makes sense, thanks g6kim!
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wtf, that is totally wrong! read the other thread about radiation poisoning; right after the scene is the shaving scene. He already threw up and had hallucinations BEFORE he was strapped to the stroller so of course he was already poisoned a little before that scene.
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I don't see a post about radiation poisoning, what did it state?
share I think Craven was poisoned through the shaving cream (assuming thallium can be absorbed through the skin). In the preceding scene the guy says it has already been done, and in the following scene while sitting on the daughter's bed he starts coughing, which I don't think is a coincidence. Just before he gets tasered he vomits in the sink. Craven is a tough son of a gun; I don't think he would vomit solely because of the conversation he had with the crooked cop. Why would the bad guys bring him back to Northmoor is more puzzling.
Craven knew earlier the milk was the source of the thallium, so drinking it would have been suicide. The bottle is nearly full when he forces it down Bennett's throat, which rules out him drinking it.
I think it was the ashes. The Thallium would not have been destroyed and it would have been concentrated in them. He held the ashes and could not avoid inhaling them as he scattered her remains.
Of course - IMHO
I'm glad I'm not the only one who missed that. I came here looking for this exactly question. I'd be wiling to think the shaving cream theory makes the most sense so far. If you notice that on the way to northmoor the tech in the ambulance is in his hazard gear.
That said the ashes is a pretty good theory too. Sucks he dumped the ashes at a public beach!
Its the Ginger Ale!!!
from Danny Hustons office, never order a drink you don't see getting made
And the burger. The three floaters had cereal at Emma's prior to their swim.
shareWhy did the autopsy report not show that Emma was poisoned? Surely as a Detective he would have said that she was throwing up blood?
Didn't get that :/
Why did the autopsy report not show that Emma was poisoned? Surely as a Detective he would have said that she was throwing up blood?
Didn't get that :/
It would not have been the ashes because there was a conversation between Bennett and the others, where they subtly implied that the same "accident" that happened to Emma could also happen to Tom. Later when those same individuals called Bennett and told him to abort, he said "it's already done."
This dialogue strongly suggests that something in Craven's home was poisoned between the time of these two conversations. The ashes are a plausible theory but the film is written to support a different answer.
Yeah that does make sense because after he found out what his daughter was into he knew better than to eat anything inside the house, but the shaving cream may have gotten past him.
shareI don't know the answer to this question: At the autopsy, I know they run a test for drugs in the victim's system, but do they normally scan for radiation poisoning?
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in normal autopsy, they do not do radiation scan. it's not a common method to die. wiki autopsies
for the radiation poisioning question, mel (thomas) was probably poisoned while at the factory where he was tied up. all the other people who tried to expose the company (besides emma) died from exposure to radiation steam (in the factory). the guy in the white suit was in a radiation suit (or supposedly a radiation suit).
Did any of you actually watch the movie? Bennett is with two of the shady characters who ask him if Craven could get sick by being exposed to his daughter to which he replies yes.
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Did any of you actually watch the movie? Bennett is with two of the shady characters who ask him if Craven could get sick by being exposed to his daughter to which he replies yes.
Mel Gibson plays a detective in this movie. So why would Mel Gibson consent to have his daughter cremated destroying any potential evidence surrounding her murder?
shareit was NOT the shaving cream. How would they be so sure he would even shave. When the guy asks and the boss says it's too late. They poisoned him when they captured him obviously. It's the only way they could be positive he'd be poisoned.
shareHe was sick before his capture. Have to go back to his daughter's cremains - a concentrated source of Thallium he handled and could not avoid inhaling.
shareI don't think they meant to use the daughter's ashes as the vehicle to irradiate Gibson, but I think you are correct that the ashes would do the job.
By the way, the daughter knew she was dying and why. She would not have put Gibson in danger by showing up. That's another of a long list of plot holes.
He threw up before he was captured. Bennett's plan to poison Craven never happened. I think Craven poisoned himself once he found the milk in his daughter's fridge. He filmed it and sent it to the reporter because it was the only way to expose what happened.
I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.
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It's the bottle of Crown Royal that Craven (Mel Gibson) and the hitman, Jedburgh, drank.
-When all of the cops are at Craven's house after the murder, Bill tells him to get some of the dust off of the old Crown Royal bottle and have some. This is what Craven and Jedburgh drink when Jedburgh basically tells him not to dig too deep or he will kill him.
-In a later scene, Jedburgh is telling a doctor that he is starting to have visions of his dead father and his doctor gives him pills to take. Craven has visions of his dead daughter after drinking the Crown also.
-At the end when Jedburgh listens the Senator and others talk about how Craven is terminally ill now; he asks them how terminal and they say that he can't speak. He knows that is his fate and since they poisoned him as well, he kills them. He lets the young cop shoot him because he knows that he, too, will wind up like Craven eventually anyways.
zeke6287,
you have it completely wrong.
Jedburgh knew he was dying at he time the movie begins. Probably cancer. (remember the xray?)
-That's why he doesn't kill Craven.
Craven was likely irradiated from his shaving creme. The time-line bears that out.
No chance that it was from his daughter. Radiation doesn't work that way.
Sorry, dude. Radiation works exactly that way. When you start glowing, you are a walking talking disaster.
shareNah. Irradiated material cause damage through radiation (alpha, beta, gamma), but MUCH MUCH more so if they are ingested (water, dust, food). So if someone is dying from radioactive material inside him slowly, he cannot be so radioactive that he kills another person just by being near him for a few hours.
IMO the shaving cream makes the most sense. He didn't eat the ashes, the scene where he got the ginger ale is far too early in the plot, and he wasn't poisoned after getting caught, but before.
But the shaving cream is strange too, I wouldn't think you could absorb enough radioactive material through the skin (a heavy metal). It's not sure when he is going to use it or if at all.
And it's very inconvenient to create (open the can, mix it into the cream so that it stays mixed etc). It's much more likely that they poisoned his food or water supply and it's just not shown.
[zeke6287 7 years ago
It's the bottle of Crown Royal that Craven (Mel Gibson) and the hitman, Jedburgh, drank.
-When all of the cops are at Craven's house after the murder, Bill tells him to get some of the dust off of the old Crown Royal bottle and have some. This is what Craven and Jedburgh drink when Jedburgh basically tells him not to dig too deep or he will kill him.
-In a later scene, Jedburgh is telling a doctor that he is starting to have visions of his dead father and his doctor gives him pills to take. Craven has visions of his dead daughter after drinking the Crown also.
-At the end when Jedburgh listens the Senator and others talk about how Craven is terminally ill now; he asks them how terminal and they say that he can't speak. He knows that is his fate and since they poisoned him as well, he kills them. He lets the young cop shoot him because he knows that he, too, will wind up like Craven eventually anyways.]
That makes perfect sense. I have to agree 100% with this theory. It answered basically every question I had about this film.
Too bad zeke6287 probably doesn't know about this site. We need people like him. IMDB seems to have scattered movie buffs to the wind, all landing randomly in sites like this attempting to replace it.
I always thought that he was poisoned right from the beginning, as he was having visions of his daughter from the start. I thought that those visions were happening because of the poison.
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