Better than any Avengers movie. - Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) Discussion

[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

NOW YOURE JUST TRYING TO PISS ME OFF.🙂

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

That's it, you and me are taking this outside. https://media.tenor.com/images/19789cb1c47347eeb2a4a6f481ac2dd0/tenor.gif

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[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

OKAY...IF YOU REALLY WANT AN AIRPLANE RIDE...ILL GIVE YOU ONE.💪✈

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I was the car in the video.

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[–] Zinger (2186) 3 years ago

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

This is the exact response I expected from someone who would think Avengers is better. After all, my last sentence above was:

Avengers is just a popcorn film designed for children.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

*makes my yikes face*

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Would you like to discuss?

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Not really. This " Avengers is just a popcorn film designed for children." is clearly trolling.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

They're catering for children. No blood, no guts, no profanity, cartoon violence. Even Kevin Feige says other than Deadpool 3, they have no interest on doing a rated R movie. They're going out of their way to avoid an R rating.

https://www.cbr.com/mcu-deadpool-3-no-other-r-rated-movie-plans/

It's like Pixar movies. Adults can enjoy them, but their target audience is children and younger people.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I am not in the fucking mood.

But you're wrong.

Blood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm8WAvIJxYE

Blood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWB31WFomz4

Blood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fWfoax5bU

Blood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYH5AKmZVzE

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

You're really counting a little blood on the face? It even cut away from the blood when Thanos' head got chopped off. I'm talking about actual blood. On screen character being cut or impaled and with blood squirting out.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Why does a movie need to have someone getting impaled with blood squirting everywhere to not be considered a movie for children?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I didn't say that it did. I said:

No blood, no guts, no profanity, cartoon violence.

It doesn't have any attributes to be considered an adult movie. The subject matter isn't even for mature audiences. Even the tone is child-like.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I said:

No blood, no guts, no profanity, cartoon violence

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Then you were proven wrong, but said the examples don't count.

Were you always this much of an ass and I'm only now noticing?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Because the example you gave are take examples. Blood is someone's face doesn't mean it's bloody. When Thanos gets his head chopped off, you don't see a single drop of blood exit. It cuts to Nebula with a little bit of blood on her face.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Right so if blood began spraying out of Thanos’ neck in gory detail, how would that make the movie better?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I didn't say it would make the movie better. I said I liked Justice League more because it was more mature and it wasn't geared more towards children.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

So far, the only examples you've given as to how Avengers could be better dealt with having more blood and gore.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

That's only for how the film isn't mature. I mentioned cinematography, CGI, performances and storyline in my original post.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

So how is Justice League's storyline more mature than Endgame?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

The movie as a whole is more mature, not the story. The darker colours, the lack of one-liners said by every character, the swearing. Even the fact that Avengers is more "in your face" with the action. None of the film's in that series took time to tell a story. They went for the action right away. Kids don't want to wait around for a story. They want the goods right away.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

In the previous post, you said the storyline was more mature, so what is it about Justice League's storyline that is more mature than Endgame?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

As I said before, they take time to tell their story. They flesh out the characters and don't go straight to the action. We know their backstories and their families and spend quite a bit of time on every single one of them.

In Endgame (and other Avengers films for that matter), the dramatic scenes are shorter and are played off more comedically. Avengers relies on phases as their way of sprinkling a back story in between numerous action films. The phases themselves don't even make sense. When they got the rights for Spiderman, suddenly he became part of their plan. Marvel films are generally built for kids because their attention spans are shorter.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Endgame was three hours, so one hour shorter than the Snyder Cut. And since the character development has been going on for multiple movies at that point, I'm curious to know who you think someone like Tony Stark wasn't as fleshed out as someone like Cyborg who has only appeared in one movie (his cameo in BvS not withstanding).

As for the dramatic scenes, I'm thinking about the scene in Endgame where Cap leads a therapy group and one man explains trying to go on a date and breaking down into tears. You say that such scenes are meant for children and are undercut by comedy. Could you explain what was funny about this scene and how it was aimed at children?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Endgame was three hours, so one hour shorter than the Snyder Cut. And since the character development has been going on for multiple movies at that point, I'm curious to know who you think someone like Tony Stark wasn't as fleshed out as someone like Cyborg who has only appeared in one movie (his cameo in BvS not withstanding).

With Avengers, most of the main characters had at stand alone films but they didn't delve far enough into their history. They focussed on the action. The tesseract has jumped around various films in the series and I know more about that than the characters themselves. Black Widow didn't have her own movie beforehand. The individual characters from Guardians of the Galaxy didn't have their own film, they had one as a group. Hawkeye didn't have his own film. War Machine didn't have his own film. Falcon didn't have his own movie. Scarlet Witch didn't have her own movie. That's 10+ characters that were crammed into the series that didn't have their own films. They just try to fit as many characters in the films so hardcore fans have something to get hard over, but the story expansion comes second.

As Martin Scorse said: it's not cinema. They're theme park rides. (I think he's being harsh not acknowledging them as cinema)

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Right, but I asked how Tony Stark is not as fleshed out as Cyborg.

Also, I'm still curious to know how you feel abut the therapy session scene in Endgame.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Tony Stark is actually one of the few who is fleshed out.

I can't respond to the therapy session scene because I don't recall it. It spans multiple films. It would need to be more than just a scene to show its maturity.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

I'm surprised you don't remember the therapy session from Endgame since it was in the trailers and was highly acclaimed, especially since that scene showed the first openly LGBTQ+ character in the MCU movies.

If you think Tony was fleshed out, then let's compare Captain America to Cyborg.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I haven't seen Captain America's solo films. Outside of Avengers, I've seen the solo movies of: the first Thor, both Spider-Man films, Captain Marvel, Hulk, the first Ant Man. I also saw the first Guardians of the Galaxy. I might be forgetting something.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Seems like you haven't seen very many MCU movies and those you have seen, you don't remember very well.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I mean, it's not like I've seen them a bunch of times to remember every little plot detail. The only one I've seen more than once is Iron Man. It's really the only one that deserves it. I even like it better than Justice League.

There is a reason why Scorsese, Coppola and Ken Loach criticize these films. They're aware that these films aim low. Kevin Feige knows what sells and that's to do the same formula over and over again. These films are nothing more than trading cards. They expect you to collect them all and claim that it's all part of their plan.

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[–] faqbaby (53) 3 years ago

Dude you are not even making sense anymore... i didnt know movies were only meant for Scorsese, Coppola and Ken. F**k the audience. Stop being pretentious and just enjoy the movies. The dark knight did not have any blood, gore, swear words and not even close to the avengers movies in terms of violence but its still a great movie meant for both children and adults and guess what? its still a mature movie.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I didn't say it can't be. I said I enjoyed Justice League more than Avengers because it was more mature. I like You Story better than this movie.

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Avengers isnt for children , its universal , do you think Thanos getting is head chopped off is for children ? Its just as graphic as Justice League in that respect.

JLSC is good , but Endgame is better.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

According to IMDb, Endgame is PG. So yes, it's good for kids.

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[–] AP (5259) 3 years ago

Endgame is PG-13 in the US. What rating system are you using?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

When I go to IMDb on the app, it says PG. Maybe they search for location and it's different here in Canada.

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[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

CANADA...LOL.🙂

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

We're more lenient here. Lost in Translation is PG here, but rated R in 'Murica.

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[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

AND LAPDANCES ONLY COST A TOONIE ON TUESDAYS.🙂

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Who told you about toonies?

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[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

I RECKON IT WAS YOUR MOM,EH?😎

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

So you're the guy who paid in pennies.

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[–] Kowalski (60361) 3 years ago

SOME OF THEM WERE STUCK TOGETHER.😳

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[–] Lady_Leopard17 (219) 3 years ago

That exactly why I'm glad that DC isn't owned by Disney, there are too many restrictions cause it's a well known fact that Disney absolutely prides it's self for being a family friendly company and will go great lengths to protect it's reputation. Thankfully WB doesn't have those restrictions, cause I would love to see a solo Lobo movie and his character is hard to mess up if you don't have too many restrictions, in fact there was some consideration doing a solo Lobo movie which I think Jason Momoa would be great for the part, so here's hoping.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Disney does it to themselves. They limit their own movies so that it could appeal to a wider audience. Also it's made worse by the fact they want to have a cinematic universe. You can't have an R-rated Iron Man, PG Hulk, PG-13 Avengers, R Captain Marvel. It would be too inconsistent for them.

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[–] bond998 (1206) 3 years ago

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Its a shame DC dont make movies as good as Disney does , they just churn out shit after shit , WW84 being the last turd

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[–] Lady_Leopard17 (219) 3 years ago

It's a shame you're obsessed with a franchise that is owned by a company that started out with movies about princesses in pretty pink dresses, how very macho, HA!HA!HA

Just curious for the record how many rated R Star Wars are there, huh?

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Didnt need to be rated R because they were so fucking good , greatest franchise ever created.

May the force be with you ....fucker

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

The Original Trilogy is more graphic than Justice League , hands chopped off, heads chopped off, burnt bodies , its far too graphic for you

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[–] Lady_Leopard17 (219) 3 years ago

LOL! For someone who prides themselves in enjoying "adult entertainment" you sure do lose your shit alot whenever anyone talks shit about a franchise that is now owned by the house of mice, princesses, and fairytales...oh how it must kill you on the inside every time to think about that, and even more so with the fact that there is an other franchise with very similar ratings to Star Wars that also has mature themes and is just as successful...that being Harry Potter, with chopped hands, slit throats, and
a bloody Voldemort fetus, yup Harry Potter can certainly hold it's own against Star Wars.

So you go ahead and enjoy your little Kiddie Wars franchise, while I look to Mortal Kombat 2021, which by the way aside from that abomination MK: Annihilation is the best franchise in existence, vastly superior to both Marvel and Star Wars in just about everyway, FLAWLESS VICTORY FUCKER!

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Sorry, did you just say Mortal Kombat is the best franchise in existence and superior to Star Wars ?

Mother of God you truly are deluded

Disney + is smashing it out of the park , Black Widow, Loki , The Eternals, Wanda Vision , Falson and Winter Soldier , Free Guy, Shang Chi, The Last Duel , Hawkeye , Book of Boba Fett , Mandalorian, but go ahead, you enjoy, checks notes, Mortal Kombat

Yes i certainly will enjoy these franchises.

Stay Salty Bitch

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

and most DC movies are PG13 or PG , not sure im following you

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I didn't compare it to other DC films. I'm comparing Justice League to the Avengers movies. Avengers are movies geared toward children. Even furiousstyles above said that the films were "universal". That's means anyone can love them. Avengers movies are like Pixar films. They're made mostly for young people but adults can like them too.

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Is a man decapitating someone's head aimed at children ? is someone's arm getting chopped off aimed at children ? how about genocide? nope didn't think so , so Avengers is not aimed at children considering they contain all the above elements.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

It's cartoon violence. Sid in "Toy Story" adds explosives to toys and blows them up. Buzz Lightyear tries to fly but falls and loses his arm.

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[–] furiousstyles (4361) 3 years ago

Avengers end game isn't a cartoon

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

The CGI violence is.

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[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

And the CGI violence in DC movies is somehow different?

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

MPAA:

Justice League: "Rated R for violence and some language".

The Avengers: "
Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action throughout, and a mild drug reference"

Avengers: Age of Ultron: "Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi action, violence and destruction, and for some suggestive comments"

Avengers: Infinity War: "Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action throughout, language and some crude references"

Avengers: Endgame: "Rated PG-13 for sequences of sci-fi violence and action, and some language"

Notice how every single Avengers film is prefaced with "sci-fi", before "violence".

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[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

Aquaman = PG-13
Wonder Woman = PG-13
Shazam = PG-13
WW84 - PG13
Dark Knight Trilogy = PG-13 (I thought that was the ultimate adult superhero movie)

So why is the CGI viloence in these PG-13 movies more mature than the violence in Marvel PG-13 movies.

Snyder Cut has about 2-3 scenes of "CGI" blood that if removed you woudn't have even noticed. All major battle scenes are PG-13 violence. Their is 2 maybe 3 f-bombs (I'll be honest I can't remember) just to push an R-Rating. Again if you took them out you wouldn't have even noticed.

Always remember in todays ratings you can have 1 F-Bomb and keep your PG-13 rating but have 2 or 3 and it becomes R rated. SO you are basically saying that a movie that has 2 F-bombs is more mature than a film with one.

On a personal note neither Marvel or DC movies are mature. No superhero movies are. They can have mature themes but in the end they are aimed for all audiences.

Go back to the 80's and PG movies (not pg-13) had swearing, nudity, blood and violence so please don't tell me that Snyder Cut is mature and Marvel isn't. It is a stupid arguement. We get it you don't like Marvel.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

The topic is why I liked Justice League better than the Avengers, not why Aquaman is better than Avengers.

But as I said, the MPAA rating had to disclose that it was sci-fi violence.

It has nothing to do with me not liking Marvel. I like Iron Man better than Justice League.

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[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

The topic is why I liked Justice League better than the Avengers, not why Aquaman is better than Avengers.

I never asked if it was better and you know that. I asked why in all those DC movies that are rated PG-13 are more mature than the Marvel movies that are rated PG-13.

But as I said, the MPAA rating had to disclose that it was sci-fi violence

Hmmm. Why could that be. Use your brain for 1 sec and figure out why. He is a clue. Having a higer rating would hurt the box office so by having a different interpretation in the rating desciption then the overall rating comes down.

Their is nothing in the Snyder that if removed would affect the movie. The blood scenes and f-bombs are only there to get an R rating, that is it. The film is not a r rated film no matter what it says.

By your very definition would you class Harley Quinn as a mature movie, that also has an R rating. That is about as kiddie as you can get. My good even the weapons she uses is not to show any blood but still got an R rating.

Putting blood and swear words into a movie does not make it mature and adult.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I never asked if it was better and you know that. I asked why in all those DC movies that are rated PG-13 more matture than the Marvel movies that are rated PG-13.

Okay, but I never said DC films were more mature, only Justice League.

Having a higer rating would hurt the box office so by having a different interpretation in the rating desciption then the overall rating comes down.

The MPAA decides the rating, not the makers of the film. You really think the MPAA have some agenda against Avengers? If anything, lowering the rating would help the Avengers. Having a 4 hour rated R Justice League would hurt any box office.

By your very definition would you class Harley Quinn as a mature movie, that also has an R rating. That is about as kiddie as you can get.

Explain to me how Birds of Prey is about as "kiddie as it gets". Is that more "kiddie" as The Lion King? Wall-E? Toy Story? Ninja Turtles?

My good even the weapons she uses is not to show any blood but still got an R rating.

MPAA rating for Birds of Prey: "Rated R for strong violence and language throughout, and some sexual and drug material"

In fact, Birds of Prey is the only DC or Marvel film that has a "severe violence" rating on IMDb.

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[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

Do you take all your thoughts on movies from IMDB?

If that is the case that is your first mistake.. Here is an idea. Make up your own mind, just a thought.

The site of blood does not make a movie mature and bad language does not make a movie mature. Adult themed maybe but not mature. Deadpool is definately not mature, it is adult themed but not mature.

Beastmaster is a PG movie which has blood, lots of it, frontal nudity, tons of violence and that isn't mature. That was classed as a family film. Seriously a PG movie from 1982 has way worse stuff and that was classed as a family movie, my dad rented that when it came out for us all to watch. I was 10 when I saw that.

I'm gonna end this as it isn't going anywhere. If you think the Snyder Cut is mature because you believe that Marvel is for kids then you need to rethink what your definition of mature is. But tagain that is your choice.

Goodfellas, schindlers list, godfather is mature. Predator, aliens, terminator are adult themed. Their is a difference.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I did think for myself. I went to IMDb to show you you what MPAA said afterward. Notice I didn't bring up the MPAA rating in my first post?

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[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 3 years ago

You "hated" the original JL movie but loved this? I am filled with high levels of suspicion.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

It seemed rushed and forgettable. Cyborg felt like he was just thrown into it. I recall the CGI also being bad. This isn't the best comic book movie ever, but I actually thought this was far superior than the previous cut

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

Let's not compare Justice League with a classic.

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[–] bond998 (1206) 3 years ago

Why it might be better than the original cut. I still think its pretty mah, boring and like all Snyder films its got tons of boring melodrama and mind-numbing boring fight scenes. While i wouldn't call the Avengers movies masterpieces. They are a lot more fun to watch and i care a lot more about the characters. Also Thanos is a better villian than the Steppenwolf. Not everything needs to be some dark emo bullshit.

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[–] samoanjoes (51703) 3 years ago

I'm not really big on Thanos or Steppenwolf as villains. I just don't feel that either was sinister enough.

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[–] Crocodile (2971) 3 years ago

Enough with the talks about this shitty movie,lets talk about Joss Whedon new show The Nevers instead! That show will be awesome!