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The one thing I cannot get past


The era change.

To be true, I really do like the direction they are going with this film. I wasn't very keen on Skarsgard as Pennywise at first, specially due to the fact that the promotional poster threw me way off with the costume design, but seeing a recent still from filming, it appears that the still doesn't really reflect how Skarsgard will appear for most of the film.

I don't want to go into this movie not giving him a fair shot to show us his skill as an actor, because everyone thought the same thing when Heath Ledger got cast as the Joker, and look how that turned out. That performance was definitely one of the best of the modern era.

What I can't get past is the timeline difference. I understand that they are trying to reach a broader and most likely a younger audience with this concept, but I feel like they are missing the mark in doing so. Their target audience should really be 24-40, and fans around that age I believe would much rather see a faithful adaptation from the story in that aspect.

When you change the timeline, you completely change the atmosphere of not only the story, but the language, the way the characters interact with each other, and tons of other little nuances that were so fitting to the original novel.

I feel that was a devastating missed opportunity. I know that would have driven up production costs and that they are not on a high budget (considering the story), but I feel like it could have been done. There are tons of towns that still have a very 50's feel to them. I am positive they could have found a location had they really wanted the story to reflect that time period.

Now being set in the 80's, I can see how they may be able to work around that, but having the second act being set in current day? I don't think I could buy into that. The novel is one of if not my favorite works of literature. To change the story in such a way seems to undermine and show a disregard for King's work.


How do you feel about the era change?
Pros? Cons?
How do you think they will manage to pull this off?

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You shouldve trolled the Ghostbusters message board, it was a hoot and a holler

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Before you can clean up a pile of dog poop you must first expose where the dog poop is and rub the dog's nose in it otherwise the dog just keeps dropping turds all over your carpet

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Then we're going to have to find this dog and rub it's nose in you

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Bossdog do you really think the comments you make on this message board actually make a difference to the movie industry or to the people who read them? Because I hate to burst your bubble, but your opinion means squat to both. You and the rest of your little troll community can spread around all your *beep* and bile, but it won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone. Have fun you sad, pathetic son of a bitch.

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So I noticed in a ton of the responses that they are mainly citing the turn from 1958 to 1989, which I said previously that I thought could be worked around. The scariest change is from 1985 to the present day. The world was a vast different place in those respective time periods. I can't even begin to understand how they will translate such a dramatic difference if they get green-lit for part 2.

I do understand that some elements are timeless, but the feel of the story will change without a doubt. Even in adaptations of other works that have changed the time period, there is still usually a significantly different presence in the story-telling and mood of the film.

Most people who don't mind the time line change or even support it tend to mention that they grew up in the 80's and think that the difference will be an enjoyable one, yet when we all read the book, we fell in love with characters from a different era. The 50's and 80's are entirely different in many different respects, and I think that will reflect majorly in the film.

Racism won't be an issue like it was in the 50's. Henry and the Bowers Gang probably won't be greasers. Richie won't like the same bands, or even the same style of music most likely. Alvin Marsh's behavior will be far less believable. The way they talk to one and other will be vastly different. Ben's father being in the war won't make any sense and will probably have his entire background story changed. None of the Hammer Horror references will have a place here because they weren't "scary" in the 80's. Major scenes from the book will be drastically different or entirely excluded because of this like Victor and Belch having their heads swiped off by Frankenstein, Ben seeing the Mummy with balloons floating against the wind (totally eerie scene that I would love to see brought to life), the kids fighting the werewolf (at least once on Neibolt Street).

None of that bodes well for people who are looking for a faithful adaptation. Sure, story elements that are universal can be used, but some will not fit in the 80's, thus changing the mood of the film.


PS.

To the guy who said Game of Thrones didn't stick strictly to the source material, I'll admit they took some liberties and omitted some stories, but the vast majority of the series was as it was in the books. The only notable difference that changes the story line I can think of off hand is Ramsay actually marrying Sansa and not Jeyne Pool, and in turn Robb marrying Talisa, who was never in the original text. The major plot points have remained the same, so far as I recall. Forgive me if I am forgetting some, it's been over a year or two since I read Dances with Dragons.

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I have said it before and I will say it again. The monsters are really irrelevant. If they can't reproduce the "feel" of this novel it is pointless. The novel isn't about what monster you see, or even specific scenes that happen the novel is about friendship, fears of the unknown, humanity, growing older. Ultimately this novel has this sense of impending doom, a real foreboding of things to come, a real eerie way of not knowing what is happening and where things are going. This will make a great film. Not reproducing creatures that have been done to death over the past 30 years. Recreating the spirit of the novel is most important and nothing we can see on the internet, or read in forums will tell us if they do this until we see it.

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This guy gets it.

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:fistbump:

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My response wasn't only about the other forms of It. There are still other story elements that played a significant role that will likely have to change in order to fit the era. That was what I am trying to say.

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The 1980s timeline in the book left it pretty clear that things such as racism and homophobia are still present in Derry because of It. If It wants Derry to be full of homophobes and racists in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and even 2010s, then so there will. And I don't know how Alvin's behaviour would change since domestic abuse is, sadly, a pretty common issue nowadays and since always. As long as this movie respects the plot and spirit of the book, I'll be happy with it.

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Plus the story has the built in explanation: Derry is bad. It can be a more racist town than most of its time and place because of the influence of It. That point was even made in the Adrian Mellon chapter where Don Hagarty said essentially: "I've seen vicious homophobia before, but nothing like this."

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I recently read The Bonfire of the Vanities, which was written and set in the 80's. It is amazing how pretty much nothing has changed today.

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I have no issue with the era change.

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They say this isnt a reboot to cash in on our 80s/90's Nostalgia then place it in 1989 to cash in on our 80s/90's nostalgia

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While I feel that it is popular lately to romanticise the 80s (stranger things for example), I agree with you in that it's misstep. I cant decide if the studio thinks that it is a more nostalgic time period for their target audience or if right now it's just the trendy thing to do, but either way...

In my opinion the original era suits the story so much better.

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You guys are overthinking it: the novel takes place in the then-present and 27 years ago. So will the two movies. I'm seeing a little too much "Why the 80s?" and a lot of people aren't seeing the forest for the trees.

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Exactly. It's not rocket science.

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The 80's is tolerable, where I feel the damage will come is by making the next movie in the modern era. I can't see those characters in a world filled with computers, smartphones, the internet, etc. They will give a different feel to the story in my opinion.

Setting is everything in a movie. Sure, people do modern adaptations of older works that are successful, but that can only work with some stories. This isn't one of them, though that is only my opinion.

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This was my one qualm with the setting change.

I would've preferred the original time settings, as the '50s have that "innocent" feel, but I've kind of accepted the change and am actually curious to see how they'll adapt. Growing up in the '80s myself--I would've been only a few years younger than the kids in this adaptation--I'm familiar with the era and it's nostalgic for me.

However, when it comes to Part 2, I am not looking forward to the technology, social media, etc. I know it's going to be unavoidable, but I hope they minimize it; I don't want to see Bob Gray spamming anyone's emails or appearing on Facebook walls or Twitter feeds. And I'm sure that the kids being abducted have smartphones; what's to stop them from taking and quickly posting pictures before being eaten alive?

And, you're right, it will give the story a different feel.

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You guys are overthinking it: the novel takes place in the then-present and 27 years ago. So will the two movies. I'm seeing a little too much "Why the 80s?" and a lot of people aren't seeing the forest for the trees.


Agreed. I was initially put off by the period change, but It's grown on me. The way I look at it, if they stuck to the book, they'd be having to make two period piece films, with the late 50's and mid 80's. By doing this, they only have to make one set in the past and the 2nd will be in the present. I think they can make it work as long as the adult film doesn't focus too much on technology. It'd be cool if Derry was a place where they get no cell phone reception lol As it is, I always pictured Derry as one of those out-of-date places, sort of behind the times. I used to live in a place like that, where they didn't bother to change signs or update anything.

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