Just had this thought, because I myself didn't flinch at 3 unsavoury dudes being shot to save an American captain/husband/dad. But surely there must be a limit - can we snipe away 10 of them? A hundred? Thousands?
Does a $10 million demand and a threat of a murder automatically render a civilian open to undisputed execution by the army?
Since you are too ignorant to even grasp that this was the Navy, not the Army.... I won't bother trying to explain how one innocent life of a hostage is worth more than an infinite amount of criminals willing to take a life for profit.
As soon as you threaten the life of another in the course of a criminal activity... your life is forfeit.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
As many as it takes to get the job done. For every piece of *beep* that is removed from the gene pool the world is a much better place.
"check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies please"
As many as it takes to get the job done. For every piece of *beep* that is removed from the gene pool the world is a much better place.
check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies please
So let's all murder as many Americans as possible, because your fascist gene pool is the greatest evil in the world. Will you start by blowing your tiny brains out?
sharePlease educate yourself, you ignorant fück.
Damned ISIS idiots.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
ISIS only wish they could murder and maim as many people as the US does on a regular basis. You'll happily murder half a million Iraqi kids without breaking a sweat like the scumbag fascists that you are.
shareI wouldn't murder a single kid you stupid piece of sh!t.
Nor would any other US military serviceman.
You are talking out your ass about what you dont have a damned clue anout.
Now get lost troll.
You are pathetic.
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This is a ignorant comment. I'll explain why. Nobody is born evil, which is what you're implying. Accepting this fact, the next logical step would be, if people aren't born evil, than where do they acquire it? Good question, I'll answer it. Since evil is not innate, one must examine the common denominator in most "evil" people, the denominator is usually poverty. Hence, why you're method of letting them kill eachother, doesn't work. In the end, there will always be outliers, however to fix the problem we mustn't act as if evil is distinct to only evil people. To fix the problem we have to understand our flaws as human beings and the systems in which we live.
Don't like what I'm saying? Then call 1800-Ima-CryBaby and ask for "Waaaaaa"
Nobody is born evilYes, they are. Some people have bad wiring/chemistry in their brains that means they have sociopathic/psycopathic tendencies, which will manifest as "evil" to a greater or lesser extent depending on their life circumstances. To argue otherwise is uninformed and naive. share
"Some people" is correct they're called outliers, like I said. However, the majority of people stem from poverty and nurturing conditions. watch this documentary or read a book on the matter. Either will help you learn.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1161555/
Some? Try ALL. We're all born evil, some are just better at hiding it. As to the original question, you take out as many as are involved in the kidnapping. Ten, a hundred, a thousand, whatever. The kidnappers willingly got involved in the matter, they knew the Americans were going to do whatever it took to get back one of their own.
That's why it was important to get Phillips back before they got to Somalia, because the body count would have been a lot higher. Maybe a blood soaked, carnal reeking slaughter house of a rescue of Capt. Phillips from Somali territory would have been a good deterrent against further piracy. They'd realize the risk is no longer worth the reward.
"If you're waiting for a woman to make up her mind, you may have a long wait." Preacher
Lol you said some. Hence why I used the quotations.
shareNo. Evil can come from bad upbringing, lack of values, a sense of entitlement, personality flaws, greed, lust for power,
There are plenty of people who do evil things that have nothing to do with poverty. Hitler didn't invade Poland or exterminate the Jews because of poverty. Ted Bundy or Charles Manson didn't do their evil crimes because of poverty. ISIS don't commit terrorist attacks because of poverty.
There is no excuse for evil, no matter what the circumstances, since to commit a good or evil act comes down to choice, and when presented with a situation, your choice is your responsibilty. If you choose to commit evil, it is your fault, first and foremost, because you could have chosen to react differently and addressed the problem some other way.
I said "army" with a lower case "a" to denote any national military organisation --- not confined to the US or to this movie, so your hostility is unwarranted.
Beyond that, saying you'd kill an infinite number of criminals is rather extreme don't you think? If a threat of murder for profit makes you infinitely angry, you would be doing *nothing else* in your life than hunting down criminals.
I agree it's evil, but I'm trying to find a realistic estimate of how evil it is. "Infinite" is not helpful, just emotionally charged.
I love it when people think they know sooooo much information then get put in their place :)
Good job!
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
What happens when you reach your proposed arbitrary limit and the 100th guy gets away with it? Does he try it again? Are the 101st and 102nd guys emboldened to do the same?
Why is it not helpful? You asked for a figure, he gave you a figure. And he means it too, not messing with you.
shareI said "army" with a lower case "a" to denote any national military organisation --- not confined to the US or to this movie, so your hostility is unwarranted.army: (ärmē) noun
Lol, Joan Crawford would be proud- "NO WIRE HANGERS!"
Now, in all seriousness, you may want to make an appointment for a stress test. I'm sure it's not good for your heart to bust a lid so easily, given the tone of this thread. Or, I don't know, perhaps letting the jerk loose over the internet (digital courage) is your thang, yes, no?
Not even to say that I disagree with the gist of your post, but the original commenter was posing a question- not making a definitive statement, nor putting anyone down. I'm going to assume that your response is going to be somewhere along the lines of, "they asked for an opinion so I rightfully gave one;" and if that is so, good for you...so wonderful to possess the emotional stability of a 5 year old and lack the ability to respond to situations appropriately.
"Blah, blah blah," I know, I've said too much.
Aha! Wait...what were we talking about?
"Blah, blah blah," I know, I've said too much.
No, not really, no projection here. I only read what you wrote. Your response was unnecessary for the situation, let alone rude- it's as simple as that. Perhaps you are "overcompensating" for your own insecurities and attacking others as a result.
Aha! Wait...what were we talking about?
Your response was unnecessary for the situation
So can Coast Guard Sailor go to ANY boards and/or ANY thread without ALIENATING himself from other posters with his rude, hostile and down right attacking other posters who don't have any military experience? If somebody asks a basic military question that most people would know doesn't mean you have to reply to the post but you just can't help yourself to try show off your "knowledge" like a big boy
So I bet Coast Guard Sailor thinks that kaymarie2010 (a 7 year member woman!) is ANOTHER sock puppet account of mine or that other guy. Even she thinks that
you are "overcompensating" for your own insecurities and attacking others as a result.
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The OP was making some very bad assumptions, obviously based upon liberal ideology.
Had this thought, because I myself didn't flinch at 3 unsavoury dudes being shot to save an American captain/husband/dad. But surely there must be a limit - can we snipe away 10 of them? A hundred? Thousands?
Does a $10 million demand and a threat of a murder automatically render a civilian open to undisputed execution by the army?
I put him in his place and others have agreed.
The assumption was that there surely had to be a limit dumb dumb
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As soon as you threaten the life of another in the course of a criminal activity... your life is forfeit.
The only person introducing race into the equation is you. In the statement of mine you quoted above...I don't give a sh!t what color a person's skin is. Or what country he/she comes from.
If a white guy picks up a weapon and threatens an innocent for the commission of a crime, his life is forfeit.
It really REALLY pisses me off when asshats like you try to twist it into something racial and insinuate by it that I am a white racist somehow.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I was mainly referring to your attitude towards liberals with racial issues in the background. I even agree with part of what you say. All I'm adding is that balance your right wing angst with a little bit of left wing humanity.
Darkness lies an inch ahead
I was mainly referring to your attitude towards liberals with racial issues in the background.
All I'm adding is that balance your right wing angst with a little bit of left wing humanity.
If you are so upset that Liberals fight for justice for the weak, then you should also be upset that in World Politics, the First World Nations are dominating and oppressing the weak.
For example come back to the movie and the thread started by the OP.
In this case, 3 pirates were shot dead to save the life of an innocent American,and you cheer for it, but you don't seem to care a damn when 2 Italian criminals belonging to the Italian Navy commit murder in Indian waters, or when Pashtun Wedding celebrations are bombed by US drones etc etc etc
That's why liberals are there, however wrong they are, they are much needed to balance equally wrong people like you.
Darkness lies an inch ahead
Chill... so much hate will give you a stroke :D
sharelol.....what a *beep* loony racist this sailorboy is.
shareI was going to reply to the OP, but CG covered the answer precisely. Cheers mate!
- Just adding my .02 :)
i think 3 is to many just because you're american doesn't make your life any more valuable then theirs they had a tough life and only did what they did to survive a life is a life no one should be thought of less than just because of their upbringings. this doesn't apply to every life though
shareUnder the circumstances they had little choice but to kill those three guys. Because for all they knew they were about to kill Phillips any second. The gun had gone off by his head, they were stringing him up with ropes. They knew that. What were they supposed to do? Wait for that to happen?
The pirates were the ones threatening his life, not the other way around.
I think the movie tried to show that they were in desperate circumstances and were only human. We saw that through Phillip's perspective, especially with regard to the kid and the leader. But the Navy had a job to do and that was to save the life of an American citizen who had been taken hostage and was being threatened with death by automatic rifle.
They did their job.
Having a tough life isnt an excuse to put others in danger and hijack commercial vessels.
Life isnt going to be fair. You have to make do with what you get. Part of that is realizing that if you *beep* up, other people are going to take action against you. If you kidnap someone under the protection of the US Navy, what do you expect to happen from that?
42. Definitely 42.
shareThe Op is a good one.
In this instance the life of the hostage was under immediate threat and the response was justified.
You're right. That's the answer for, well... Everything.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
CG Sailor, can I get your opinion on Pacific Rim? Do you think using large mechs was the correct decision for battling the monsters, or should they have used the navy?
shareWTF does that have to do with anything. That's some BS science FICTION show.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
Well, you did have an extensive review on Alien, and that led me to believe that you would be open to discussion on science fiction films.
That reminds me, during Independence Day do you think that it was wise to use the president, and a drunk to spearhead a reckless attack or do you think they should have called in the navy?
I have not done an "Extensive review of Alien"
Though I am active on the Alien and Aliens boards.
Why don't you post there on the appropriate board instead of hijacking this thread on a completely unrelated board.
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Grow up, Troll.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
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Was your post above a troll post? No. But YOU are a troll even if you're not trolling at the moment.
You are a KNOWN and verified troll.
Your previous account was removed By IMDB. (TheGreatMoghul)
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Back to your original question, since this thread seems to have gotten away from it. I think it's important to note that many opportunities were offered to resolve the situation peacefully. The pirates chose at multiple points to proceed when they could have saved their lives (with a significant profit in cash). The smart ones were the ones that turned away in the first act. The ones that proceeded were motivated not merely by poverty and pressure from the gang boss, but also by a macho desire to prove their courage and manliness. The poverty and pressure win some sympathy, but not the macho willingness to kill others to prove they're "men."
shareThe poverty and pressure win some sympathy, but not the macho willingness to kill others to prove they're "men."
I asked myself this same question after I finished watching this film as the OP did. I believe the situation could have been handled better. I don't believe the massacre of all 3 was warranted especially considering that there was no real violence done to anyone except for a bit of roughing up on the captain after he somewhat brought it upon himself when he failed to sit down in his seat and stay quiet as instructed. Of course what is anyone to do in that situation. Waiting patiently to be saved is tough and just goes to show the Captain's distrust in the military.
The only real crime the Somalis committed was losing out on the birth lottery. I especially despise the way they were tricked into believing that some type of deal or arrangement would be brokered with the elders. You also can't help but question if race served as a motivating factor as well but I'll let the South Park Episode address that one as I believe they addressed it much better and comical than I would.
I think the film does a good job of pointing out who the real criminal is in all this and that the good captain along with his kidnappers are all victims of the same villain, corporate influenced foreign politics.
~What if this is as good as it gets?!~
I asked myself this same question after I finished watching this film as the OP did. I believe the situation could have been handled better. I don't believe the massacre of all 3 was warranted especially considering that there was no real violence done to anyone except for a bit of roughing up on the captain after he somewhat brought it upon himself when he failed to sit down in his seat and stay quiet as instructed. Of course what is anyone to do in that situation. Waiting patiently to be saved is tough and just goes to show the Captain's distrust in the military.This whole post is, to put it mildly, naive in the extreme, but the part I highlighted really takes the cake.
The only real crime the Somalis committed was losing out on the birth lottery. I especially despise the way they were tricked into believing that some type of deal or arrangement would be brokered with the elders. You also can't help but question if race served as a motivating factor as well but I'll let the South Park Episode address that one as I believe they addressed it much better and comical than I would.
I think the film does a good job of pointing out who the real criminal is in all this and that the good captain along with his kidnappers are all victims of the same villain, corporate influenced foreign politics.
The only real crime the Somalis committed was losing out on the birth lottery.Utter claptrap. Try kidnapping; try piracy on the high seas. Those are crimes, and the Somalis committed both of them. They weren't tried for for losing out on the birth lottery, because that is not a criminal offense. Piracy is. That (and nothing else, is what the Somali was tried for.
In any case, if you wish to debate a difference of opinion that's fine but there's no need to go calling people names, it just proves what an immature uneducated backwards redneck you really are.What in the world are you talking about? I never called you names. If anyone is name-calling, it is you, not me, as evidenced by the part that I highlighted. share
We can kill all of them.
Unlimited.
As many as possible. I have no problem with 1000 kidnappers being killed to save one person.
shareAs many as it takes
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