People claim critics were paid to give good reviews any proof of that?


Here is a question for the naysayers. Do you truly think the critics were paid to give TFA, Rogue One and Last Jedi great reviews? If so show me your indisputable evidence you have to support this claim. I persoanlly think that people claim critics are paid when they give a film a score they disagree with. Funny thing is now people are saying nothing about critics being paid, why? It is simple because the critics gave the score they wanted to see before seeing the film.

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lol shill shadow account chucking a small tantrum over something so lame ...

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It is a question not a tantrum.

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Which is a ridiculous claim. The same critics gave TLJ a high score (85) and ROS a low score (54)! Who paid for the low score?
Imdb users rated both about 7/10, RT higher, and MC a fake low rating.

The problem with critics is they collaborate, just like lefty journalists. Google JournoList.

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"The problem with critics is they collaborate, just like lefty journalists. Google JournoList."

That actually makes a lot of sense. I never thought critics were being paid off, but I did see the tendency for them to give good reviews to things that they seemed afraid to give bad review to. I thought that might be because they were afraid of losing first viewer privileges. But it makes far more sense is they are just individuals living in a bubble with other critics. So they just end up going along with their peers and give good reviews to what their peers are giving good reviews to and bad reviews to what their peers give bad reviews to.

I wonder where the ball starts rolling on that though. Which are the ones that are giving good reviews to things like Last Jedi first and starting the trend?

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The argument falls flat on it's face with the release of ROS. Why doesn't Disney pay for all their films to get great reception?

See that is just it, critical reception does not determine if a film makes money or not. At the end of the day studios care about if the film is profitable. The reception is simply an added bonus. Look at the Jurassic World films. They make great cash therefore they do not care if they are critically panned.

I personally think people can not accept a score being given they do not agree with. Since they do not agree they must discredit it. I find it to be rather childish. Why makeup a lame conspiracy theory? Is disagreeing with the score not good enough you have to go there?

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I am confused, who are you arguing with? I always agreed that it was a ridiculous theory that disney was 'paying' critics off. but what Satan2016 says makes sense that it is a result of the critics collaborating that leads to homogeneous reviews. You can say they are just matching what their other peers are thinking. This is especially true when you have like a bubble effect in which all the critics received the same type of education and hang out among similar peer groups and often exclude outsiders.

It is true that at the end all that matters is the money a film makes, but continuous negative critical scores will have an impact on those numbers. Though more and more people aren't paying attention to the critics.

"I personally think people can not accept a score being given they do not agree with."

I don't think that is it, I think people get annoyed when they see a great divide between how the critics see something and how the general audience sees it; especially when related to a beloved franchise. There seems to be more and more backlash against anything that comes across as elites mentality from filmmakers or film critics.

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I think people believe they determine where a movie places in cinematic history. It has never been that way. Overall the reception to a film is what determines it's place in history. When people dislike a film they can't bare the thought of it being considered a good film by others. So they make up stupid conspiracy theories. I do not need to delude myself that way. There are films that are considered great that I do not like but I am not arrogant enough to think I am the person who will hold it back.

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This is a reprint of an article from The Wall Street Journal outlining how Disney paid 'influencers' in Japan to promote Frozen 2 with the instructions to not disclose the terms of the arrangement:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/12/14/disney-accused-of-instructing-influencers-to-hide-that-they-were-paid-for-positive-frozen-2-tweets-contrary-to-official-explanation/

Here is another reprint of an article from The Wall Street Journal outlining the punitative terms for theater owner under which TLJ can be shown in their theaters:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/disney-lays-down-the-law-for-theaters-on-star-wars-the-last-jedi-update

The full Wall Street Journal articles are behind a paywall.

The questions are, if Disney is willing to play dirty at this level, would they stop with film critics, and are film critics whose livelihoods depend on playing ball with a major studio in a position to refuse Disney's 'offers'?

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So then by that logic shouldn't every Disney film get good reception?

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Your argument sort of falls apart when you look at critical response to the latest film. Why wouldn't Disney pay them to say it's great?

My view is a bit more straightforward. Critics give honest reviews.

The Force Awakens was a very, very, very good movie. It rekindled all that made the original films great, and did so in a well-paced, exciting way. It is eminently rewatchable. The main character is superbly drawn. We learn a lot about her without any pointless exposition. We care about her, and we want to see her succeed even with the odds stacked against her. Even better, the supporting cast is fabulous. I could go on, but it's an excellent sci-fi action film, and a refreshing return to greatness after three failed prequels, so of course critics and audiences alike gave it high marks, and it broke every U.S. box office record imaginable.

The Last Jedi is also a great film. It somehow pissed off a lot of loony activist types, though I'm not sure why. As with its predecessor, there is zero political slant or message to the film. It's a much more tightly-woven story, and in many ways a departure from what Star Wars films are "supposed to be," but it packs a huge emotional punch, and has the most keep-you-guessing plot of any film in the series, replete with twists and turns the audience never sees coming. Again, critics and audiences alike adored it, and while it didn't break the probably-unbreakable-for-a-long-time success of The Force Awakens, it outperformed expectations, and made Disney another boatload of money.

The Rise of Skywalker isn't quite like the other two. It's a rollicking good time, and it answers all the questions put forth by parts 7 and 8, and ends the Star Wars saga in a very satisfying way, but it's also a bit run of the mill. It's not bad by any stretch, it just doesn't have, at least after one viewing, as much power as the previous two films. It's makes sense that to a critic, it isn't something special as were 7 and 8, while to audiences it’s a fun, exciting movie, hence the high audience scores.

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Exactly. Well said.

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All 3 of them are very, very, very bad movies

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According to who?

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According to whatever website he turns to in order to decide what his opinions should be. Someone somewhere told him "if you believe X then you need to hate Y," and in that case Y was Disney's Star Wars films.

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Yes, the only possible reason anyone could dislike the woke trilogy is because a website told them to. The question is; was it a bad website, or a very, very, very bad website

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The fact that you refer to as "the woke trilogy" is very telling. Those three films had zero political components or social commentary, and have nothing whatsoever to do with our current political situations. You've seen it called that so many times by so many agenda-driven people, that you are blindly parroting it without thinking for yourself.

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To not see any social commentary in the films is either that you're oblivious to what you are watching or you are ignorant, or maybe both.

To fail to see that Rey is a Mary Sue in Disney 7 takes a lot of ignorance.

To fail to see the overbearing female empowerment in Disney 8, one would have to be willfully ignorant or oblivious.

Disney 9 is the least, but it's still a joke. Pray tell how a person that was raised on a desert planet knows how to sail a ship with storm condition waves? Still a Mary Sue.

Now having said this, how are these movies not woke? How did you not realize this?

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Enlighten me. What social commentary did I miss? I'll dismiss the Mary Sue discussion, as that's been thoroughly debunked, but let's hear it. Are you suggesting that casting females is a political statement? Perhaps if your political views are that women don't deserve equality it is, but assuming you aren't advocating a return to stone age gender roles, what exactly did you find in any of the three films that was a political statement?

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"I'll dismiss the Mary Sue discussion, as that's been thoroughly debunked, but let's hear it."

So which is it? You want to hear about it or don't you? This sentence of yours gives me pause at your intelligence level.

There isn't an issue with casting females as protagonists. There is an issue with casting them strictly due to political correctness. Also, with the woke claims of "toxic masculinity", which I don't know what that is, these new female protagonists are written specifically to be better than males, simply because they are female. Examples are: Dr. Who. Disney Star Wars. Batwoman. Capt Marvel. Game of Thrones, season 4 and on. The new Bond movie, apparently. Charlie's Angels. Etc.

What is equality? If Tom Cruise demands $30 million to make a movie, can Jennifer Lawrence demand that too? Sure. She's more than welcome to demand whatever she thinks she deserves. Now, if Tom Cruise's movies make more in the box office than Jennifer Lawrence, do you think she's going to be paid the same? If she could get it, good for her. I have no issues.

What are stone age gender roles?

The Disney trilogy is heavy handed in identity politics. How did you fail to see that especially with Disney 8? Again, either you're oblivious to the obvious or your willfully ignorant.

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So you admit your entire belief that the new Star Wars films are "political" is due to casting women and non-white males. You couch it by saying the casting was done for political reasons, but that's speculation on your part, and immaterial to boot.

Again I'll ask-- offer at least one specific example of a political statement or political slant in any of the three recent Star Wars films. Simply saying "they cast a woman as the leader of the fleet!" or "one of the main characters is black!" is not an example of politics. Those are arbitrary casting choices.

By stone age gender roles, I mean exactly that. Do you believe that women should not be cast as main characters in action films, or in roles as leaders? If so, that's only a political statement in the same way that casting a black actor in a non-slave role is.

What does Tom Cruise or Jennifer Lawrence, or anyone else's asking price to make a film have to do with any of this. Hollywood is like any other business. Actors are paid based on an expected return. How does this apply to this topic?

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"Rey is a Mary Sue"

Which is a bad example of social justice politics. "Mary Sue" was created by a woman for her Star Trek zine in the 70s. It was a parody of bad fan fiction!

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A bad example? Because it was created by a woman?

First of all, "Mary Sue" is a label. That's all. A label for a character that is instantly OP and instantly liked. Something that Rey fits like a glove. If you don't see it, you're either oblivious or ignorant.

Who cares how the label was created. That's totally irrelevant. The point is, is that Rey fits the definition.

You say it was a parody of bad fan fiction. Okay. What's your point? The point is that Rey fits your label of bad fan fiction. Why would a character that is bad fan fiction translate to a good character for an A-list movie, pray tell?

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Bounding-Comics and Cosmic-Book are conspiracy theory sites, not credible! Any citations?

FBN article is fine. The only difference is 65% is higher and 4 weeks instead of the regular 2. Now that Disney is practically a monopoly, the way to deal with that is anti-trust law.

Just 2 weeks is too much for our local one-screen theatre. They will fill seats for weekends and Tues. Being Xmas it will be 12 days of 28.

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You didn't even read my full comment before responding.

The articles I linked-to are reprints or based-on WSJ articles that are behind paywalls.

Look, if you twits want to trust a dirty multinational corporation to look-out for your interests, knock yourselves out - it explains why you're dumb enough to like the movie in the first place.

Disney's losing it's ass on Star Wars - the purpose of the frickin' movies is to advertise/sell merch, and the merch ain't selling.

Hell, Lucas figured that out 50 years ago, and Walt Disney 50 years before that.

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The article is free: https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-accused-of-snow-job-over-frozen-2-tweet-apology-11576127949

Influencers are not critics! I repeat, why would Disney pay for BAD reviews?

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It establishes that they're willing to engage in a pattern of unethical behavior.

It shows them to be con artists.

Why would they apologize if they did nothing wrong?

Where will they stop is the question?

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The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.

In other words
Since these people making up conspiracy theories can not prove Disney paid for reviews or bought tickets, they are stupid and trolling.

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You're retarded MovieNerd75, The Wall Street Journal has already written TWO articles on Disney fucking around with perception management, PAYING 'influencers' under the table.

If they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't have been trying to HIDE it.

And, if they're doing that, what won't they do???

You think that they wouldn't cook box office numbers with careers and BILLIONS on the line?

So, what's in this for YOU?

You're the one hiding your profile.

Seriously, what are you hiding?

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