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The show is stupid to me.


How could the loss 2 percent of the population have any real impact?.....other than sadness for the families directly involved......If you lost 2 out of 100 people---you would still have 98 people.....it wouldn't be apocalyptic. I can't get into the show. Just my opinion.

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Yeah - even though its a pretty weird event that would ramp up mindless religiosity and cultism - at least for a while - as time went further along people would just adapt and move on. The families that lost loved ones would remember and mourn but people generally would compartmentalize and, well, gotta pay bills - life goes on.

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it may not sound like a lot but it actually is, and sometimes it isn't the whole number but the way the number is distributed and the stories surrounding those affected. The main family on the show suffered no loss at all, while Nora lost her husband and 2 children. And everyone is dealing with it differently.

If you look at 9-11, a little under 3,000 people were killed in a city of over 8 million people (and not all were from NYC). Way under 1% but does that make it any less tragic? These people weren't attacked but disappeared out of nowhere. Trust me - if this was reality, it would be quite tragic

Anyway - if you don't like the show, you don't like it. No biggie - Is it really about the numbers or do find the storylines stupid?



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Across the world, 1 in 50 people disappeared from the face of the Earth. Unless you've met less than 50 people, that's a big deal.

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LMAO - that's too funny

I had more than 50 people in one of my classrooms. The graduation class from my hometown high school was 2,000.

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Exactly - you're my kind of people!

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Never underestimate the number of people who post comments on the internets who have actually not met more than 50 people.




*applause*



Nothing like being the minority to make FoxNews concerned about rights of the minority

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Now I could understand an over arching sense of apocalyptic doom if the numbers were reversed: 98% gone 2% left behind.

That would be a disaster of biblical proportions...

Then I guess it would become like a darker version of "Last Man on Earth" - even though that would still leave some 120million people behind on the planet.

Roughly 6million in North America.

I can see the survivors of something like that being seriously messed up. But even then. Eventually. The demands of living day-to-day would win out over just sitting and fearfully watching the sky for the next...whatever...

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I agree, it's a pretty weak premise. You'd get a lot of cultish nuts claiming it's divine intervention or whatever, which would cause problems, but generally after a while, some smart people would do some population studies, figure out the demographics of the missing people, and find whatever links them and solve the mystery. It'll become apparent very early on that it's not a religious thing since the demographics don't conform to any known religion. It's more likely that earth was populated by alien-human hybrids. The aliens decided to up stumps and pulled out all the hybrids. Leaving the local humans confused, but otherwise unharmed.

If thats the actual answer, it'd probably take only a few months to work out based on geneology and medical records that it's the truth, mystery solved, the earth is pissed, but otherwise goes back to normal. Probably motivated to go *beep* up some aliens one day, but otherwise the world is like "eh".

But regardless of what the mystery is, the biggest problem the world would face is idiot cultists and the religious, and like i said, with demographic study those theories would be debunked in the first few months.

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but generally after a while, some smart people would do some population studies, figure out the demographics of the missing people, and find whatever links them and solve the mystery.


Except they specifically stated that after 3 years of research, they've still discovered no such link.

What if there truly IS no link that can explain everything? Just because you say "smart people would've figured it out" doesn't make it so.

It'll become apparent very early on that it's not a religious thing since the demographics don't conform to any known religion.


That's why Matt was preaching about how it WASN'T the biblical Rapture to anyone who would listen, because the disappearances didn't conform with his religious beliefs. That just makes even more sense to flock to cults, who claim to have an answer that organized religion does not.

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Except they specifically stated that after 3 years of research, they've still discovered no such link.

What if there truly IS no link that can explain everything? Just because you say "smart people would've figured it out" doesn't make it so.


that's what makes the show stupid though. How did they pitch it?

"Hey guys, what if we make a show where something impossible happens, and the twist is that there's actually no explanation for it. It just happened for no reason. Then we follow people coping with this nonsense as if it was real"

If there's no explanation and no link, then it's just stupid. I mean, you could substitute any idiotic idea and have the same show

"What if, one day, 2% of the worlds population suddenly turned into cats! For no reason!"

"What if, one day, suddenly 2% of the worlds population grey wings! For no reason!"

It's just... dumb.

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Because the show isn't about the mystery of what happened. It's how the other 98% handle that inexplicable event. That's why it's not called "The Departure" or "The Disappeared."

Maybe there is no scientific answer, maybe it's just something that's beyond our scientific understanding, maybe it's something magical or spiritual. Just because you think something SHOULD be figured out after 3 years doesn't mean the show is stupid for not having someone figure it out.

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Maybe there is no scientific answer, maybe it's just something that's beyond our scientific understanding, maybe it's something magical or spiritual.


No, you're missing my point. My point is that there will be no satisfying answer to this, because the very premise is stupid. If it's as you say, that they've done studies in the show and there's no correlation between any of the people who disappeared, then there simply isn't ever going to be a satisfying answer. If it's random, it's dumb as hell. If they "missed something", they better have a damn good explanation for how they missed something literally the entire world would be trying to figure out.

Or this show has no answers to begin with. They just lead us on without any idea of how this will all end.


I think that's the reality, they've written a show specifically without an answer and one that will never make sense because they never intended for it to make sense. No doubt the idea was to seem clever by doing this but really I can't describe it any other way than stupid.

The show may be great, and even captivating and interesting, but when it comes down to it, it's all based on a terrible premise.

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I think that's the reality, they've written a show specifically without an answer


I know that's the reality.

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/55663/20150627/leftovers-damon-lindelof-season-2-fans-will-know-what-happened.htm

"The show is about living in a world where this thing happened, but there is no resolution. It doesn't mean that many of the characters on the show are not looking for that answer, or starting to adopt religions and belief systems that they feel are correct. But the idea that the show is going to answer that question for the audience is just — it's not going to happen," Lindelof said.


It's been that way since season 1:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/10/the-leftovers-damon-lindelof-discusses-his-first-series-since-lost

Lindelof stressed the show is not about solving the mystery of what happened. The characters on this show have had to deal with what happened, but there is no explanation forthcoming for it, only theories. Said Lindelof, “Hopefully what you’ll care about when you watch the show more and more is how these characters are living with this situation and interacting with each other and less about what happened and where everybody went and why.”


So if you're watching it for the purpose of getting an answer, you'll just be wasting your time, because they have no intention of giving one, and have planned on that since the beginning.

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So if you're watching it for the purpose of getting an answer, you'll just be wasting your time, because they have no intention of giving one, and have planned on that since the beginning.


That would actually be ok, I don't mind a show that doesn't tell, and that does more through show. I guess my problem is that it's clear they've written a story without an explanation or conclusion. It's not that they're hiding it, or keeping it a secret as it's better unrevealed, they've literally just made up a macguffin that makes no sense, and made it the centre-point of the plot. I mean, literally the entire plot revolves around the macguffin and people trying to figure out the macguffin, and they never can / will. I mean, this could've been a sort of meta-lesson of how not to write a story premise that you'd teach in a writing class.

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shackleford

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

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I guess my problem is that it's clear they've written a story without an explanation or conclusion.


How do you know there's no conclusion?



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How do you know there's no conclusion?


because if there's no correlation between the 2% (as explained on the show) then there's a big problem with the very premise the show is based on. Because of that, there's no possible explanation that would be satisfying. Like I said before, the premise is the problem.

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Point goes to you Rusty.

This show is basically written around a substanceless gimmick.

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"that's what makes the show stupid though. How did they pitch it?

"Hey guys, what if we make a show where something impossible happens, and the twist is that there's actually no explanation for it. It just happened for no reason. Then we follow people coping with this nonsense as if it was real"

If there's no explanation and no link, then it's just stupid. I mean, you could substitute any idiotic idea and have the same show

"What if, one day, 2% of the worlds population suddenly turned into cats! For no reason!"

"What if, one day, suddenly 2% of the worlds population grey wings! For no reason!"

It's just... dumb."

And THIS ladies and germs is why there is very little creativity left in tv and movies in 2016.

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It isn't the number of people that vanished. It the -why-. If something like this happened, it would turn life as we know on its head. Centuries old beliefs would be vanquished in an instant. People would literally have to revaluate who they thought they were, there would be a ever present sense of doom. Always. That is why.

I am you and what I see is me.

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But then -as nothing else happened in the wake of the vanishing and neither science nor religion could offer convincing explanations of what originally happened - people would grow weary of being fearful, look around, maybe silently count themselves as lucky, and get on with the grind of living.

As time went on, the event - as unexplained and mysterious as it was - would become more the province of cranks, cultists, conspiracy theorists, and scammers rather than a topic for mainstream religion or science to discuss because of the lack of anything definitive that could be said.

The event would finally fade into the weave of historical memory.

Until finally supplanted by the next big world shaking event.



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But then -as nothing else happened in the wake of the vanishing and neither science nor religion could offer convincing explanations of what originally happened - people would grow weary of being fearful, look around, maybe silently count themselves as lucky, and get on with the grind of living.

As time went on, the event - as unexplained and mysterious as it was - would become more the province of cranks, cultists, conspiracy theorists, and scammers rather than a topic for mainstream religion or science to discuss because of the lack of anything definitive that could be said.

The event would finally fade into the weave of historical memory.

Until finally supplanted by the next big world shaking event.


Something like that might, after a generation or so. This is only a little over three years since it happened. I think you're completely failing to see the complete change something like this would have on life as a whole. This isn't a natural disaster. It is something beyond understanding, that no science or religion can show proof. It is enslaving people and life as a whole to a constant paranoia.

I am you and what I see is me.

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You might be right.

Or it could be that you're underestimating the resilience of people. There have been huge events - wars - huge natural disasters in the past - even now. And people reel from them. But eventually, over time (not generations), they process, they mourn, they go back to living -maybe even in the shadow of the thing that so disrupted their lives and could very well do so again.

Like the people who live near volcanos. Or near tsunami prone shorelines. Or in active earthquake zones.

For those people too there are the questions of "why?" and "when again?" but they press on.

Thats what makes us human.



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There have been huge events - wars - huge natural disasters in the past - even now. And people reel from them. But eventually, over time (not generations), they process, they mourn, they go back to living


Except wars and natural disasters have explanations.

People have been killing people since the beginning of time. People have been effected by weather/nature since the beginning of time. 2% of the world's population doesn't mysteriously disappear simultaneously in the blink of an eye on a regular basis.

Then you also have to consider the scope. Wars and natural disasters happen locally. Hurricane Joaquin devastated the Bahamas. There's a war in Syria. Now imagine if those things happened on a global scale, effecting practically every single community on Earth from the city of Mumbai to some isolated tribe in the rainforests of Brazil.

And then there's the mourning process itself. These people aren't necessarily "dead" they're categorized more as "missing" because no one has any idea what happened to them. There's no body, there's no trace left behind, there's no one taking responsibility for where they went or what happened. There's no real sense of closure for the people who lost someone. You can't look at this as "people die every day, and their loved ones get over it and move on in time." Look at this as the missing child whose parents still put up flyers 20 years later. In the case of missing people, it may even get to the point where their loved ones don't expect to get them back, they just need to know what happened. And there's not going to be some serial killer on death row taking responsibility for 150 million mysterious murders.

Finally, the nature of this completely bizarre situation changes everything people knew about the world. Some natural disasters can be detected ahead of time, there are precautions you can take before they happen, while they're happening, and surviving them after they happened. Wars occur incrementally, even if your area is the first attacked, you can still potentially survive and fight back. Diseases take time to spread, there are quarantines, vaccines, cures. If someone goes missing during a normal disaster, there's immediate hope of finding them. The looming threat of a second departure with no one any closer to answers about the first is incomparable to any worry about loss under normal circumstances.

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I don't see what you don't get. Society goes nuts when just one person goes missing for unexplained reason. 2% of the population disappearing would undoubtedly cause chaos. The show is about societal chaos.

Maybe there aren't enough car chases.

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Really?

I haven't seen society as a whole come to a screeching halt for the unexplained disappearance of one person. "Unexplained" disappearances happen all the time and if the disappeared come from the wrong side of the tracks its not even newsworthy.

Until the remains are being dug up out a mass grave filled with other poor souls for whom society didn't come to a halt when they went gone as well either.

While I do agree that the unexplained vanishing of 2% of the global population would have an impact, I just disagree that the impact would be as disruptive as some are suggesting for as long as some are suggesting.

The show is about depressive pretentiousness masquerading as depth.

It will prove to be another LOST class onion.

And, yes - not enough car chases or gratuitous nudity.






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