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When will Outlander be held accountable for its overuse of rape?


https://www.themarysue.com/outlander-overuse-of-rape-why/

Outlander producers have long held that rape is part of history, and they are trying to be historically accurate with their rape scenes. But that excuse is lazy, says Princess Weekes. "I feel like, when it comes to discussing Outlander, I am often beating a dead horse," says Weekes. "Despite the multiple problematic things about the show, it has remained a darling in many feminist circles because it does have admittedly interesting things to say about gender … if it’s about Claire and people Claire views as worth her time. The sex scenes between Claire and Jamie and well shot and loving, but that seems to make people unable to address the fact that Outlander, the books and the show, have used rape as a plot device since the beginning, and it’s exhausting. Especially because, as Claire says in the episode, she’s been through so much already—in two time periods! World War II, Civil Rights, the beginning of the American Revolution, and the Battle of Culloden? Not even to mention all the emotional trauma of her miscarriages and losing her husband(s). Is it too much to ask that she not be gang-raped?" Weekes adds: "I want to make clear that I totally expect there to be survivors who see themselves in Outlander, and I’m not trying to shame people who love Outlander. It just seems ridiculous to me that we have called out Game of Thrones for doing this, but Outlander is doing the same thing for similar 'historically accurate brutality' reasons."

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ITA. When I realized they were going there, I had to leave the room. Enough is enough. The impact of Claire’s strength and determination are just lost because rape has already ben so overused in the series. Pretty much everyone has been raped now. Who is left? Who will be next? Roger? Baby Jemmy?

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I couldn't explain exactly why it made me so angry after the first or second scene, but it started being an obvious plot device. It seemed like they were deifying their suffering and recovery when character growth could have been achieved through a dozen new obstacles. It did become expected and by the time Claire went through it, the writers seem to think her pain could be mended and forgotten like any other physical wound.

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At least Jamie, Claire AND their daughter all have that in common now?!
Yikes!
😬

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They can all go to therapy together. Everyone gets raped!

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I didn't know people had to be held accountable for fiction. SMH.

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This short interview with one of the writers might better explain it:

https://youtu.be/V7AmUV2wGIY?t=6


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I stopped watching as I got sick of not just the rape but the torture porn in general. The show was becoming rather stupid as well and it didn't exactly start making much sense to begin with.

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You mean the bit where that smuggler guy totally F****d up someones face?
I thought that was over the top.

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I can't recall now which season I stopped watching at the hero was due to be ass raped by the wicked English officer. At that point I had had enough, can't recall if I saw that smuggler guy now.

Mind you the show lost me when she started singing boogie woogie Buglar boy in one ep. She would have been burned at the stake back then for talking tongues!

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who tf is "Princess Weekes"

and what are we to presuppose about a website that calls itself the Mary sue?
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my god thats gonna have a certain demographic around here spluttering into their coffee!

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I'm not sure how rape is "overused". It was common in those days and it was a brutal period in history. Imagine what black women went through as slaves or Native-Americans before they were slaughtered. It was common for a European Lord to have sex (aka: rape) with women (single and married) on his land. Clair is too outspoken for that time period so I can understand her being brutalized by men wishing to knock her down a few pegs.

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Most of today's Liberals, Progressives, Leftists and Democrats in general haven't done a lick of research into actual history. Most of what they learn in school these days is all brainwashing academia designed to coax them into a Marxist mindset. They don't believe in facts, truth, or the brutal reality of the past.

Henceforth, they have a tough time reconciling that back in the day a lot of evil and vile things took place without much recourse, and that was just the way the world was.

When food shortages hit, the economy collapses, and people take to the streets to survive -- like what happened in Bosnia -- they'll learn firsthand just how uncompromising and violent real life is.

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What a bunch of nonsense! Most right-wingers don't even believe that the holocaust happened, yet you're trying to make an argument about leftists denying the brutality of history??

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The fact that a bunch of Leftists are screaming to "defund the police" (which did occur, by the way) and it resulted in crime skyrocketing to unforeseen heights, it lets me know they have ZERO bearings on what the real world is like and the consequences that come with stupid life-altering decisions.

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Crime has increased for a number of reasons. No one has defunded the police.

Also, Outlander has lazy writers.

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Rape being common for the place and time where the movie takes places doesn't necessarily mean it has to happen often.

Prison rape happened in The Shawshank Redemption, but the film obviously doesn't show a lick of it.

Not saying that all the rape that should be omitted here but, it's not a reasonable response to the claim that rape is being overused as a plot device in this show by saying rape was in fact common. Sometimes stories have poorly implemented plot devices. It doesn't have to be just rape.

Think of all the ways common tropes are used as plot devices in movies and shows to lazily move the story forward. We don't have to get behind the propaganda that is themarysue, just to make a point about the way the story is written.

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The TV series is likely just following the books.

The problem is that the author has rape as an integral part of multiple storylines. Would it be possible to remove rape without changing the storylines so much that the book fans stop watching?

At least poor Roger wasn't raped. But, what happened to him was traumatic, too.

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True. I think the article is criticizing the books as well, but yeah, I'm honestly just speaking theoretically. Not making one point or another on this specific program.

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It's not the producers of the tv show you should be yelling at. It's Diana Gabaldon. This show is based on her books, and it all came from her imagination. I'm not really sure why she keeps including rape in her stories. While it did happen in history, the frequency of it in the stories didn't sound realistic to me.

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