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I call plagarism pure and simple.


I love Tarantino and as a film student/buff I love seeing all the references and homages............. but this time he has gone too far.

I am not sure how widely this has been mentioned in the U.S (aussie here) but this time I call sheer plagiarism. Its from the TV serial The Rebel from the late 50's.

Not only has he taken the basic plot but also several internal plot lines, scenarios and actual dialogue. Watch it and i'll guarantee your shoulders will slump. He even does..... the stew, the dead horse, the stranger getting on the coach, the poisoning, the last gasp warning, somebody has to do the job, the 'fill in' attendant, one or more of you helping her, the list just goes on and on

Nobody is above this type of criticism. This is not tip your hat stuff at previous films ala Kill Bill. This is shameful. And yes I liked the film a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9Svv0c4Xw&feature=youtu.be


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To me, this isn't any worse than what Tarantino has done in the past. Quentin is a bit of a mashup artist, and it works for him. I enjoy the way he alters stories of the past and combines them with other things. This movie is like partially this episode, partially the movie Stagecoach, and a million other things. It is not plagiarism. It is inspiration and cleverly combining various plot and character elements from other works.

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I agree with Rev. Powell. People (particularly online) seem drawn by the irresistible frisson that goes with calling out a prominent artist for a transgression like this.

No one would deny that the episode in question shares several elements with The Hateful Eight, but outside of academic circles, plagiarism is a tricky thing.

Tarantino's made no secret about the kind of filmmaker he is -- he's referential in the extreme, and his "originality" derives from the manner he brings previously seen elements together, using the brazen, bold-faced style that's marked his work from the beginning. Now, that style -- and lengthy, profane discourse -- are nowhere to be seen in the episode in question.

Also, it strikes me that this sort of story -- people trapped in a remote location facing some kind of danger within -- is one that we don't see too often anymore. We're deluged with cookie-cutter romances, fish-out-of-water comedies and buddy action movies, but people don't cry "Plagiarism!" when the similarities pile up in such genre fare. Probably because we're so used to the those specific formulas -- hell, they're practically part of the public domain.

So while the plot trappings of each text in question, on paper, do seem rather similar, the texts themselves are so utterly different that this whole message board "a ha!" seems a bit silly.

Plagiarism is a serious charge, and I don't think this cuts it.

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IMHO it's just a crappy flick, plain and simple.

Loved Goggins tho' 😎

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It's only plagiarism when everyone else does it, especially if it's by a director you hate. But when it's Tarantino its a "homage" or "references".

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Humger Games is technically plagiarism if you look at things this way. Do they scream out loud "here you go, we give a Battle Royale for children"?

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The Hateful Eight is a rip off of The Rebel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9Svv0c4Xw&feature=youtu.be

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What a bummer. Lame how some are trying to evade the issue by rambling on about the nature of creativity. The point is that Tarantino needed to give credit where it is due. Nothing wrong with using other peoples ideas as long as credit is given.

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Well, I would think you need to get their endorsement first. And there's always the chance they'll say "No", I suppose.

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Meh. Shakespeare ripped off pre-existing stories for his plays. We all know Tarantino's a magpie but who cares when he ultimately turns their story ideas into gold?

Perhaps he should be more open about his exact 'influences', but does anyone really believe he's not a rip off merchant? Part of enjoying his films is watching him put a twisted modern spin on cinema from distant times and places.

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Have you seen the Ep of "The Rebel" ??
Clickabal link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9Svv0c4Xw .





http://youtube.com/watch?v=r7JdfWfoKls .



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QT totally lifted the scenario. That's undeniable.

But The Hateful Eight is about alot of things...racism being a big one.

The episode he lifted the scenario from really doesn't have any commentary on race whatsoever.

QT stole a scenario from a tv show and turned it into his own movie that's about things more than the plot.

Even the most primitive society has an innate respect for the insane.

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A tv show thats less than 30 min.s you can add quite a bit in 167/187 min. and filmed in 1959 is not going to have a thing to do with racism or a Black guy or some gay rape..So QT adds a Black soldier and gay rape is commentary on race...How much of this movie would you consider is a commentary on race ??? Is a Black savage that wants a White guy to give him oral a commentary on race ??
Did you watch "The Rebel" ??? 95% of it is in "TH8" Some of the dialogue too.. Thats not "stole a scenario from a tv show" Thats stealing 95% of a STORY and adding 5% of his own.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=r7JdfWfoKls .



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Wow, pretty much the same story, just a lot less blood and mercifully much, much shorter!

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Everything in that TV episode was already a cliche in 1960. The fact that the same cliches show up in the TV show and Hateful Eight is because both filmmakers were making western shows that wallowed in cliches...but for very different reasons.

It's not what a film is about, but how it is about it. It's HOW Tarantino approaches this cliche material that is of interest.

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Everything in that TV episode was already a cliche in 1960.


Oh yeah? How many other westerns had poison in them? How many had a woman taken to be hanged? Gone on, tell me. I'll wait.

You need to look up the word cliche in the dictionary, because I think that episode of The Rebel was pretty ingenious, especially for 1960.

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TRUE TRUE TRUE !! Ingenious!!! And i think the ending in "The Rebel" Clickabal link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9Svv0c4Xw .
Its funny how many people want to give QT an out....When you watch this Ep its indisputable 95% of TH8 is this story..





http://youtube.com/watch?v=r7JdfWfoKls .



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Oh yeah? How many other westerns had poison in them?
Of the top of my head there's The Beguiled from 1972. Clint Eastwood/Don Siegel team-up where women conspire to poison Eastwood in revenge for his evil ways.

Also, poisoning by snakebite is used innumerable times to conveniently get rid of a villain, intensify the danger, make the hero look clever, etc.

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The Beguiled Is nothing like that.. 1 little girl poisons him with Toadstools because he killed her turtle .At the end of the movie.The last scene.. .To conspire is more than a bit of a stretch .But its poison so ill give you 1 .Way to go.
Bit by a snake is not poisoned ......



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Bit by a snake is not poisoned
Frequently one cowboy will deliberately lead another cowboy into a nest of rattlesnakes, basically using the rattlesnakes as a weapon/trap. That counts as a character poisoning another in my book.

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"using the rattlesnakes as a weapon/trap. That counts as a character poisoning another in my book."

How is using a rattlesnake as a "weapon/trap" the same as poisoning???? A weapon/trap = poisoning ???? Tricking a guy to get bit buy a snake = poisoned ??
Also "Frequently one cowboy will deliberately lead another cowboy into a nest of rattlesnakes"
Could you please give me 3 examples ....


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Envenomation is distinctly different from poisoning. You'd know that if you weren't a *beep* moron.

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@oldewill

Aww...look. Some racist guy who thinks that a rape actually occurred in this movie.

And yes, if you listened to anything in the movie besides your haunting visions of blowing a black man, you would have heard a lot of commentary about being black in America.

Again, the first thing I think of when I think of Hateful 8 is race. The Rebel doesn't touch on this remotely, even with a lead character who was a former confederate soldier.

Even the most primitive society has an innate respect for the insane.

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"who thinks that a rape actually occurred in this movie."

Whats in this clip ???? Is this "The Hateful Eight"???? or gay rape porn?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOROl_fpX8 .

"Again, the first thing I think of when I think of Hateful 8 is race."

So the Hateful 8 is all about post Civil War race relations.. I guess the whole bounty hunter woman prisoner thing is just the sub plot.


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Number 1.

That is a fictional story within the movie. Yes, the movie shows images of a white man sucking a black man's dick (Heavens no!). But, those images are only in the General's head. And Warren is only putting those images there so the General will snap and grab the pistol so Warren can gun him down.

Number 2.

The whodunnit aspect involving a bounty hunter attempting to hang a woman prisoner is mainly the plot, not the subplot. But sorry buddy, many movies are about a lot more things than just the plot.

Do you think No Country For Old Men is just about retrieving drug money?

Do you think Wizard of Oz is really just about Dorothy finding a way home?

Do you think Once Upon a Time in the West is just about a fight over a woman's piece of property? Or even just a revenge tale?

It's called subtext. Some films don't have much of it, if any. While other films it's the main purpose of the story's existence.

Even the most primitive society has an innate respect for the insane.

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" Yes, the movie shows images of a white man sucking a black man's dick"
You said it all ..I quit. Have fun dream'n of Quentin Jerome Tarantino .PEACE!


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I guess you missed the line where SLJ baits Bruce Dern with the line "You're starting to see pictures now, aren't you?"

Don't worry, this is a grown up person's picture. It's no surprise the nuances slipped right past you.

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??? ? ? ??? ? ? ????? ?? ???


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Thats curious because yesterday i saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HgbSAL8OKY
A video comparing Reservoir dogs with some Japonese film called City on Fire and Tarantino coppied the whole plot.

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I watched a few scenes from The Rebel and got instantly bored; I sat through 3 hours of The Hateful Eight and was abundantly entertained. So Tarantino got the plot from it; big deal. Shakespeare got all the plots for his plays from older sources that he never ackowledged. The thing is, we're still reading Shakespeare and not those old sources that interest only academics.

You really think that a 25:00 minute episode can be turned into a 3 hour movie and be called plagiarism? When I paid to watch The Hateful Eight I didn't pay to watch the plot about a bounty hunter with a woman chained to him surrounded by strangers inside a building. I paid to watch Quentin Tarantino's version of that idea! I wanted his vision, his interpretation! You can watch The Rebel episode all you want, but it doesn't have Robert Richardson's awesome photography, it doesn't have 70mm lens, it doesn't have Morricone's eerie score, it doesn't have a great cast, it doesn't have Tarantino's bizarre dark humour, his political incorrectness, his gift for dialogue and his sense of grand guignol spectacle that would have horrified mom and pop watching television back in 1950.

If you really only care about ideas, you shouldn't even bother watching movies; you should just read screenplays online; they have the idea; that's what you care about, right? The idea, just the bare bones, the gist. None of the tiny, unique details and sensibility that come only from the identity and vision of the artist. Think carefully about what you're complaining, and you'll realize you're telling artists to stop being artists.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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Great post, Eumenides 0.



"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

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It does not come as a surprised to me anymore, it has always been his schtick. I'm pretty sure you can find copied material in each of his movies, most of the time it is copied from foreign cinema. Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Django Unchained and so on, they all have some scenes directly copied from other movies.

Granted it does sound like he took it to another level with The Hateful Eight.
I still enjoy his movies though, like you also said that you do.

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