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Maybe it’s time for the MCU to end


I saw Black Widow last night. It was okay. It had decent characters and story.

But it was unbearably predictable. It pretty much just recycled storylines, concepts and styles from previous MCU films. I was bored a few times.

It seems it has all been downhill since Endgame. Even the shows like Wandavision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier have been a bit bleh. I stopped watching Loki after the second episode.

It all just feels aimless. It reminds me of the Batman movies of the 1990s. They ended with Batman & Robin and restarted with Batman Begins.

Maybe this is what should happen with the MCU.

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Maybe? After "Loki" and "Wandavision" there's no maybes about it.

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The MCU ended at Endgame

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And a new one will be born from the multiverse Phase 4 run.

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It really won't. They will never be able to recreate what they did.

No one is really interested in the characters and movies they want to do.

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I’m sure Marvell will manage the odd hit but the characters they’ll be rolling out in phase 2 don’t have near the appeal or, I’d think, drawing power of the original band. If they experience a string of box office bombs the execs will probably panic and fall back on rebooting the original characters with new actors.

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That's why I suspect that by the end of Phase 4's crazy multiverse shenanigans they'll reset the MCU and we'll get the main characters again but with different actors and maybe some gender swapping !

The comics did that when they ran out of ideas and killed off some major characters that the fans loved.

Of course there is always franchise fatigue where people will just be bored of it and want something entirely new and that happened to Star Trek in early 2000s.

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yeh and at the end of P5 or 6 there will be another big 'Infinity Saga' multiverse ending thing that the various multiverse versions of the Avengers have to stop/reverse etc - probably Tom Cruise as Iron Man, Haylee Atwell as Captain America, Tobey Maguire as Spiderman, Eric Bana as the Hulk, Emily Blunt as Black Widow, Jessica Alba as Sue Storm, and Jackman as Wolverine (along with various OG cast still around like Hemsworth, Cumberbatch, Hiddleston, Larson, Rudd, SLJ, Pratt etc as well as Eternals, new BP, Blade etc)

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By P5/6 it's going to be grandpa infinity gauntlet...😂

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No one was interested in Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel, Dr. Strange, and all the other C- and D-list characters around whom they built the first set of films. The magic is not in the characters, it's in how they are implemented. If you can't see that, look at what Sony did with Spider-Man compared to what he became in the MCU. And if you want a staggering example of how little characters matter, look at what DC's doing. They have arguably the two most famous heroes on the planet in Superman and Batman, and are churning out unmitigated shit that is ridicules far and wide.

What anyone thinks of a character going into a film is meaningless. The quality of the film is what determines the outcome. To this point, Marvel is 27 for 27 in creating films and shows that are acclaimed by both critics and audience.

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For me, too. I've had no interest in any project they've announced since then.

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It pretty much has ended.

Iron Man -- dead.
Captain America -- retired.
Black Widow -- dead.
Hulk -- wearing a cardigan and glasses.
Thor -- now an overweight jokester.

The new leaders are:
Spider-Kid? right.
Ms. Marvel? too busy saving the Universe to help save the Universe?

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The MCU needs to end because of this movie, LOL?!

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Did you actually read the OP?

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No. That would take, y’know, effort. So much more fun just to shit and run.

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It seems it has all been downhill since Endgame. Even the shows like Wandavision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier have been a bit bleh. I stopped watching Loki after the second episode.

It all just feels aimless. It reminds me of the Batman movies of the 1990s. They ended with Batman & Robin and restarted with Batman Begins.

Maybe this is what should happen with the MCU.
WandaVision was just excellent. Speculative fans wanting something, (Mephisto, X-Men, Fantasic Four, Dr. Strange) ruined their own enjoyment for the series.

The MCU is fine.

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I didn’t care about that.

I just want a good story with characters I care about.

I’ll admit Wandavision was creative. But Wanda herself is such an uncharismatic character, that I didn’t care for her.

She enslaved an entire town because she couldn’t handle the loss of a robot.

They could’ve killed her off and I wouldn’t care.

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I don't know about ending altogether but I definitely feel that they should have taken a break and scaled back significantly with their MCU film & television output or risk oversaturation and audiences getting burned out from the nonstop onslaught of redundant sequels, spin offs and reboots. I think Scorsese was correct in predicting that the genre will inevitably take a steep decline & go out the way of the old Western.

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I think this is a healthy sign you're growing up and putting these superhero bullshit movies for kids behind you.

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Is it a zero-sum game? Can't I enjoy german expressionists and MCU?

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Before Endgame, I watched all the films in the MCU. Now I may watch a few here and there but I am no longer interested in catching them all.

Shangi Chi I will check out eventually, but Eternals I have no interest in nor do I wish to see Black Widow. I have skipped the TV series.

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