Mutants with super powers ...
how childish
shareSo you've never watched any of Marvel's hundred shows/movies?
shareI think I watched the first X-men movie just to see what it was about. The idea of mutants with super-powers is lightyears beyond idiotic.
shareSo, you just do not like SF or Fantasy I take it? If so, why were you interested in seeing this series at all?
shareScience fiction is not fantasy. I like science fiction, but there is very little of it, because they always have to mix in fantasy, magic, time travel, or these silly mutants and super powers. That is not science fiction. I just wanted to see what this series was because it was advertised as a new series on HBOmax.
Like Raised By Wolves is science fiction for example. The problem is that it's just crap. A really interesting idea ... ball dropped.
You have a very limited understanding of science fiction. It is not the strict genre often referred to as hard science fiction. Hard science fiction is only one sub-genre in a large field. Others are soft SF, space opera, alternate history, time travel, science fantasy, robot sf, military sf, social sf, steampunk, and more. The Nevers would be a combination of alternate history, super hero, and science fantasy.
You can just tell me you have a different understanding of Science Fiction without telling me my understanding is limited. It's not. I've taken classes and read books about science fiction and my understanding is consistent and coherent. That makes you kind of a jerk, or so unthinking as to undercut whatever point you think you might have.
To me anything without a scientific basis, which would be fantasy, or most instances of mental powers such as ESP, precognition, telekinesis, and most time travel though not all, is not Science Fiction. The SCIENCE part is something that could conceivably happen or a story that offers a lesson or deepens understanding of the real world - that is the separator for me.
Outer Limits = Science Fiction
Twilight Zone = Not Science Fiction
You silly contention that my understanding is limited is like saying someone has a limited understanding of dogs because to them bears are dogs - it is just a stupid point of ego that is false to the thinking world. So, enjoy whatever you want to enjoy and call it whatever you want to call it, but your egotistical lectures have no value.
But just for the hell of it I will include the Dictionary and Wikipedia of Science Fiction for you think about if you are capable. Notice there is no mention of fantasy, magic or super-powers.
Science fiction is a genre of speculative fiction that typically deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts such as advanced science and technology, space exploration, time travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life.
Fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.
I am coming from a place that I have been attending sf conventions for 40 years, have spoken to, and am friends with, several sf authors, have been a nominator and voter for the Hugo awards for 40 years; and yes, have studied the genre for 50 years. So, yes, your understanding is limited.
Dictionaries are also a poor defense.
As for your dogs analogy, you are taking the position that German Shepards are dogs, but Poodles, Schnauzers, Greyhounds, etc. are not.
Twilight Zone is generally accepted by most fans and students of SF to be SF.
Your definition is stringent, narrow, and outside the general meaning of the term.
Maybe they call Science Fiction Conventions that to make people who can't understand science feel smart because there is very little SF in an SF convention. It gives silly people a reason dress up in costumes when it is not Halloween.
Dictionaries a poor defense ... that's a good one. What would a dictionary know about what words mean.
I can see you live in a fantasy, so of course you would include fantasy in your definition of science fiction, and elves, and hobbits, and monsters and horror movies too. You're intellectually hopeless.
Ah, the delusions of the uniformed. The conventions I attend are NOT Comic-Con or Anime-Central or Dragon Con. I attend literary SF conventions such as the World Science Fiction Convention, dating from 1939. For those who don't know, that is the organization that gives the Hugo Awards, the pre-eminant award in Science Fiction. The authors I speak of are the ones who determine the Nebula Awards, also a highly esteemed award.
Dictionaries are, of necessity, limited in their definitions. However, I note that the definitions you quote invoke time-travel and parallel universes; not concepts embraced by hard SF, one of the sub-genres of SF.
Your definition also references sociological issues; generally a soft sf branch, though occasionally found in hard sf stories.
I'm sure we can debate this forever. You would not be the first to claim the narrow bounds of hard sf are the only sf. You're not even the 10th or 50th I've debated on the subject. You are free to your narrow-minded definition; but understand you are not recognizing thousands of stories and multitudes of authors who are recognized as SF and deservedly so. Your loss.
The Hugo Award is an annual literary award for the best science fiction or fantasy works and achievements of the previous year, given at the World Science Fiction Convention and chosen by its members.
Answered in the first question of the Hugo Awards FAQ:
http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-faq/#What%20are%20the%20Hugo%20Awards?
Just to rub it in further, 2020 Hugos were hosted by George R. R. Martin ... so next you will blithering about "Game Of Thrones" being science fiction too.
If you do not know that you are not fit to comment on it, certainly not to have anything you say at this point taken seriously. share
Sigh. A self pretentious nag unwilling to consider other opinions.
I'm not sure what Martin's MCing the Hugo Awards implies. He is a fantasy author, yes. He isn't the only host of the awards since they do cover both SF and Fantasy.
Other Guests of Honor and Hosts of the Worldcon have included Robert Heinlein, Hal Clement, Isaac Asimov, Nancy Kress, Kim Stanley Robinson, Connie Willis, and hosts of others.
Nebulas, of course, are the award of the Science Fiction Writers of America.
So far I have not heard any argument from you to counter that Science Fiction, among its authors and fans, is considered to have many sub-genres, one of which is hard SF. There are others. Your denial of that is analogous to claiming a basset hound is not a dog since only german shepards are dogs.
It is apparent this discussion is going nowhere. I do pity that you are stuck in a narrow, limited understanding of a glorious, amazing genre of fiction with a lot to say about humanity and the universe we live in.
People must really dislike you for being so rigid, insistent, inflexible and such a bore - never able to admit you are wrong when it is shoved right in your face. You are the one going nowhere, nowhere man.
shareOh, the irony...
Bless you, Costumer for your patience. You're dealing with a square and a snob here.
Since you have not even attempted to prove me wrong other than a necessarily limited dictionary definition and ad hominem accusations. , I hardly think I'm rigid. I'm the perpetual Parliamentarian of a 501 (c) 3 precisely because I'm pleasant, flexible, and knowledgeable.
In fact, even on these boards I'm generally pretty flexible. I don't condemn people for disagreeing with me on liking or disliking things. However, I am rather adamant on definitions.
I generally dislike the habit of putting links up, but here are some that may clear things up for you:
https://www.scifiideas.com/posts/a-guide-to-science-fiction-subgenres/
https://www.writing-world.com/sf/genres.shtml
https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/geekend/know-your-science-fiction-subgenres/
http://www.worldswithoutend.com/resources_sub-genres.asp
https://larawillard.com/2014/12/10/guide-to-sff-science-fiction-and-fantasy-sub-genres/
Hard science fiction is only one sub-genre in a large field. Others are soft SF, space opera, alternate history, time travel, science fantasy, robot sf, military sf, social sf, steampunk, and more. The Nevers would be a combination of alternate history, super hero, and science fantasy.
Reviews that I've read keep making reference to this story fitting into the STEAMPUNK category (because of inventions like the AUTO CAR).
Is it incorrect to place the show into that kind of a category or GENRE??? share
It certainly does qualify under Steampunk. It hits several subgenres, including Steampunk and Super hero.
shareThanks for your reply Costumer!!!
Sorry you've had to put up with so much resistance from the other poster.
Could also never understand the reason why people who don't like a show would waste their time going to a board to discuss a show that they dislike instead of going to another board where they do like a show to discuss that story.
Why do people chose to waste their time that way attacking show's that they don't like when they could better enjoy themselves talking about something else that they DO LIKE???
That puzzles me as well.
SPOILER FOLLOWING
Nevers might include alien invasion as well, but we'll have to see where the image of the, presumably, alien vessel we see at the end takes us. Invasion? Accident? Something else? We will have to see.
Thanks for the HEADS UP regarding the vessel that looks like a SPACE SHIP.
What's freaky is how that character (who killed the ACTOR playing the part of the DEVIL) claims GOD gave her the power that she has now.
And that's also interesting how the SPACE SHIP doesn't seem to care WHO gets TOUCHED by whatever it is that it distributes that enables people to do things that they couldn't do before.
So that also seems to RULE OUT God having anything to do with what's happening???
Because why give an already MADWOMAN and others who were ON STAGE with her a special ability to MASS MURDER everyone there in the audience??
About 20 more min to go until it's SHOWTIME again on HBO !!!
And I watched the Fantastic Four because I used to read the comic books as a kid.
There was a great comic book series called T.H.U.N.D.E.R. which stood for The Higher United Nations Defense Enforcement Reserves which were a group of scientists which were developing super power technology to fight crime and a race of green Subterranean people that evolved under ground and wanted to take over the surface of the Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.H.U.N.D.E.R._Agents
They had Dynamo who had a super power belt that needed charging every so often, and Lightning who was like The Flash, and ??? I think his name was Mentalo who wore a helmet that would amplify his brain power, and Noman, who was a scientist who transferred his consciousness into an android and could switch bodies if he got in trouble and was not too far away. It was a really great series, but they went out of business. That was like before I was a teen-ager.